Wario Video & Critique Thread -- Diamond City Theater

Tesh · Dec 15, 2011

Why remove old videos? Can't you just collapse them? I like how the Sonic video thread lets you easily look back at the days of dtilt>spindash.

PieDisliker · Dec 15, 2011

I don't see the purpose of them when newer videos will provide better information and become more necessary to watch. In my opinion, older videos would just get mixed up and take up space.

Masky · Dec 15, 2011

..........

PieDisliker · Dec 15, 2011

Masky said:
uh oh

They probably won't be sent in anyway.

GOL | 482 | JSalt · Dec 15, 2011

Woohoo, I'll finally have some vids on the OP!

PieDisliker · Dec 15, 2011

Added a couple vids, most from that tourney in Canada that Bassem went to.

Tesh · Dec 16, 2011

PieDisliker said:
I don't see the purpose of them when newer videos will provide better information and become more necessary to watch. In my opinion, older videos would just get mixed up and take up space.

I was under the impression that any number of old vids could just be hidden in collapse tags, taking up 2 or 3 lines of space at most. I mean the amount of time you spent deleting each link, you could have just wrapped them in collapse tags.

There are useful things in old matches, things overlooked and scoffed at that can prove useful in the future. Most "new" technique in the metagame turn out to be 08 tactics that people passed over.

I guess no point in crying over spilt mlik tho.

Tesh · Dec 16, 2011

PieDisliker · Dec 16, 2011

I honestly didn't know the command was collapse. lol

If you want them, sure I'll keep them at the bottom in a collapse.

LOE1 · Dec 20, 2011

i was just wondering if anyone can show me a vid of how to do the chaingrab on falco, i couldnt find any on youtube, and i need to learn the mu better

Labernash · Dec 21, 2011

LOE1, Reflex posted a video of him fighting a Falco, in which he does the chain grab.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeoGyYaj1gU

Lord Chair · Dec 21, 2011

that video does nothing to explain how to do it

Labernash · Dec 21, 2011

'Tis true. But, I don't remember one of actually how to do it. But there probobly is one. If you have one, it'd much appreciated Chair!

I guess read the AT thred for how, then watch that video to get an idea of what it feels like, if that helps. It did for me!

LOE1 · Dec 21, 2011

ok, thanks for the responses guys, it should help me in the future

ZTD | TECHnology · Dec 21, 2011

LOE1 said:
ok, thanks for the responses guys, it should help me in the future

If you admit I'm the better Wario...I'll train you offline, child.

We're only like 15 mins away anyway.

PieDisliker · Dec 21, 2011

Put some more vids up there, only one of them is actually new.

the melon!!!!! · Dec 22, 2011

I'mma post this again, I think I got overshadowed by massive OP overhaul XD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9IntNhTgk0&list=UU5SC6D9Uo0BqJq2d_PXwLBQ&feature=plcp

^^Could anybody give me some advice/critique for this set? I think the vid might be sped up a smidgen, but it isn't too bad.

EDIT: Also ignore the breaking of Dave's Stupid Rule, this isn't tourney and he wanted practice on that stage XD.

PieDisliker · Dec 22, 2011

Unfortunately I'm not very good at critiquing, although I did notice that you whiffed quite a few attacks. Maybe you should work more on baiting, you seem a little too aggressive.

Iota · Dec 23, 2011

Don't throw out random attacks unless you're sure you won't get punished. For example you would randomly try to attack with bike which is something you should avoid.

the melon!!!!! · Dec 23, 2011

Iota said:
Don't throw out random attacks unless you're sure you won't get punished. For example you would randomly try to attack with bike which is something you should avoid.

I actually have an explanation for that XD. I have a tendency of using some moves more than I normally should if they piss my brother off when they land(the opponent in the vid), SOOOO over the past 3 months, bike has been it

. I will normally not use bike NEARLY as much against other people, but HE gets bikes MUCH more often. He knows they shouldn't hit, I know they shouldn't hit, but hell, I'm all about the funny, and him raging is quite the spectacle XD.

But yes, thank you very much for the advice, I will work on being much smarter with my attack feigning and being just overall less aggro with my play.

Lord Chair · Dec 24, 2011

Why do you want us to critique a match in which you know you're not playing at your best?

Honestly that's just rude.

Tesh · Dec 24, 2011

<<---- I could use some critique, especially on my approaches.

Also isnt Bike some sort of momentum cancel? feels like its killing me when i use it.

the melon!!!!! · Dec 24, 2011

Lord Chair said:
Why do you want us to critique a match in which you know you're not playing at your best?

Honestly that's just rude.

Dont get me wrong, I was going in that match, but I was just saying that there were some different tendencies I had based on my opponent. It's me trying to make him lose his temper and play worse (which it did XD). Besides, bike is SO much fun! Even when going 100%, you should still be trying to have fun (I know, when money's on the line, this can be open for debate, but hell, i'mma do mah best to have my cake and eat it too).

Either way, I'll be seeing y'all at APEX, so I can wait with hearing my Wario failures until I get there and hear them en masse.

TheReflexWonder · Dec 24, 2011

I haven't practiced in over a month, and I think it's starting to show. However, I'm staying with Kismet and DRN for a few days before APEX, so I'll try to jog my muscle memory at that time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7woiHi4dHqk

This is embarrasing, but it appears that I've forgotten how to adequately deal with shorthop double laser. Any suggestions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQIkX97BG-w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVlPdmVAVLo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvCunY1PIz0

I'm slipping.

Lord Chair · Dec 24, 2011

You can Bike through lasers. That's honestly the one and true counter.

edit: didnt watch vids yet ill come back to other aspects of the MU later

Lord Chair · Dec 24, 2011

Actual comments:

- Get the muscle memory of SDIng rapid jab behind and above Falco for shield pressure, also learn to grab in between the jabs if they're on your shield.
- Be less afraid of using dair if he's chasing you in the air, you're too afraid to commit.
- You can start getting guaranteed stuff out of a full SH nair at about 20+%, just do the SH FF nair and follow up instead of constantly retreating.
- Stop jumping around if you want to time him out on BF, either stay on the top platform or stay near the ledge powershielding everything :X
- Try to use rising fairs rather than landing nairs/uairs to pressure his shield (unless you have him cornered, of course). Falco doesn't mind nair pressure that much, you have to be able to cover rolls or apply further pressure if you want to press your advantage. Nair doesn't do that because Falco doesn't mind a boxing game as much.
- Tires don't work around platforms against Falco neither can you apply them to counter his camping.
- Stop using your DJ when far above Falco just to gain more height. Those DJs will get you baired and generally won't net you any advantage. You should save your DJ to either get out of tricky situations or as a reaction to Falco's advancing movement in order to get behind him and take stage control. If Falco has stage control, he has all the breathing room to properly react to your move creating a worse situation then you were in before.
- Neither should you DJ offstage when Falco is already in your face unless you want to retreat with it.

Idunno I feel like you play the MU fine, I just feel like you're treating it too impatiently and there are a few MU specific tiny things that you'll eventually pick up yourself. Kismet seemed totally in control of the tempo if only because he didn't seem to mind it slowing down at times, he'd just keep camping even though he was at a percent deficit.

I have nothing to say about player interaction, the MU is rather mute on hard reads because you rarely get anything significant out of them. I don't know how comfortable you feel doing this MU with PT, just know that this MU is never fun with Wario if the Falco player has a brain of any sort, you'll always have to resort to camping and punishing minor mistakes. I digress.

Work on your SDI, SDIing jab is golden. I don't expect anyone to consistently SDI that **** into something guaranteed, but simply letting your opponent know that his jab just isn't safe on hit applies stupid pressure.

ZTD | TECHnology · Dec 24, 2011

the melon!!!!! said:
Dont get me wrong, I was going in that match, but I was just saying that there were some different tendencies I had based on my opponent. It's me trying to make him lose his temper and play worse (which it did XD). Besides, bike is SO much fun! Even when going 100%, you should still be trying to have fun (I know, when money's on the line, this can be open for debate, but hell, i'mma do mah best to have my cake and eat it too).

Either way, I'll be seeing y'all at APEX, so I can wait with hearing my Wario failures until I get there and hear them en masse.

OMFG your sig! LMAOOO.

PieDisliker · Dec 24, 2011

I've only watched the first two games and already I have to put the latest Glutonny vs Leon sets on the OP. Please check them out if you haven't.

Also, Merry Christmas to the Warios out there!

(S!C) · Dec 25, 2011

whos that *****:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAkEOlcw7js&context=C3653323ADOEgsToPDskKvZrp2dfcQh3P8fSr5xamW

ZTD | TECHnology · Dec 27, 2011

Any advice would be appreciated on these videos. I just want to know what I'm doing correctly and what I need to work on.

Although I do realize now, I was soooo risky with my Bike against Seagull lol. But aside from that any and all pointers will be appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgSEi1Js8Jc&feature=related - vs Hari

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsRkhSW8Dwc&list=UUfMiBjB-ey6eYgVEE7FF8kA&index=15&feature=plcp - vs Seagull

Thanks!

Iota · Dec 27, 2011

Stop automatically holding shield when pit uses side-b. If he misses that gives you a lot of time to punish him with a dair or f-tilt. If you get caught in the center of it, shielding, try rolling towards him you'll end up behind him and will have the opportunity to do a free punish of your choice(if you don't feel like risking the 5% if you weren't inside side-b enough to roll behind it you can always roll away iirc).

Don't try using tires to stop Pit's glide he'll either avoid it or he'll GA the tire and you will end up getting hit by it when you could've just used an aerial to combat it.

Don't use spotdodge when you land close to Pit, he'll probably use f-smash as a panic button which will end up hitting you. You should be treating the area in front of Pit like a lesser Falco.

ZTD | TECHnology · Dec 27, 2011

Iota said:
Stop automatically holding shield when pit uses side-b. If he misses that gives you a lot of time to punish him with a dair or f-tilt. If you get caught in the center of it, shielding, try rolling towards him you'll end up behind him and will have the opportunity to do a free punish of your choice(if you don't feel like risking the 5% if you weren't inside side-b enough to roll behind it you can always roll away iirc).

Don't try using tires to stop Pit's glide he'll either avoid it or he'll GA the tire and you will end up getting hit by it when you could've just used an aerial to combat it.

Don't use spotdodge when you land close to Pit, he'll probably use f-smash as a panic button which will end up hitting you. You should be treating the area in front of Pit like a lesser Falco.

Thanks. I know like NO MUs with Wario minus MK. lol

Also I forget Wario's mobility is like infinitely better than what I'm used to...lol Bare with me.

Labernash · Dec 27, 2011

Reflex and Chair, I am going to learn this Match Up. Dissecting and applying now! Thanks!

(S!C), cool video man!!

Dynomite · Dec 28, 2011

Sorry i let this thread slip. PieDisliker will do a goodjob running it

PieDisliker · Dec 28, 2011

Thanks for that confidence in me, Dyno.

LOE1 · Jan 2, 2012

for the wario vs falco mu, cant falco just short hop lazer you off your bike?

Iota · Jan 2, 2012

Only if Wario isn't doing a wheelie on his bike. Even if he isn't it would be far more useful to use one of Falco's other options.

Lord Chair · Jan 3, 2012

False, Bike beats laser.

(S!C) · Jan 7, 2012

Labernash said:
(S!C), cool video man!!

thank you

SSGuy · Jan 10, 2012

We need to seriously get some Olimar vids up here. I know nothing of that match up.

And I beat every Marth I played at Apex. Hype!

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