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Wario Video & Critique Thread -- Diamond City Theater
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2-DJeff
Smash Master
Player-1
Smash Legend
Wario Vs Diddy isn't bad for Diddy at all, pretty even.
Count
Smash Champion
^^ wario can't get in, diddy can't kill.
It's 55:45 Wario if he doesn't get an awful game 1 stage. Otherwise shifts to 5:5 or a tad out of his favor. His CP being the easiest game in the set even easier than Diddy's CP (FD banned, no other stage will give Diddy 6:4 or comparable on Wario imo) is a slight advantage.
SaveMeJebus
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2-DJeff
Smash Master
Have you heard of brinstar or frigate?
Brinstar is clearly his favor. Frigate isn't that bad for Diddy, but it all hinges on the first transformation. Part 2 is bad for Wario vs him. I'd rather CP Delfino or Castle Siege and avoid the walkoff parts than try to deal with him on part 2 of Frigate.
Player-1
Smash Legend
Wario beats Diddy on brinstar, frigate, delfino, and rainbow in that order from best to worst for Wario.
Gichan
Smash Champion
I have seen diddys **** wario, and warios **** diddy. It seriously goes to the player most comfortable with the MU.
Gichan
Smash Champion
I got some vids I would like input on, if you can say anthing about the DK matchup or Snake matchup please help, thanks.
DK (friendlies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG_d-XpHzYc&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQs1XfH9Kj4&feature=channel_video_title
Snake ($5 MM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSA39xpOL24&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpaGgBGReEU&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxXQcSzTIUk&feature=relmfu
Maaan, I see yself getting hit so much, I can't figure out exactly what the bad habit is myself, I see it as bad calculations but I feel it's something else, if you can point it out that would be awesome, thanks.
DK (friendlies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG_d-XpHzYc&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQs1XfH9Kj4&feature=channel_video_title
Snake ($5 MM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSA39xpOL24&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpaGgBGReEU&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxXQcSzTIUk&feature=relmfu
Maaan, I see yself getting hit so much, I can't figure out exactly what the bad habit is myself, I see it as bad calculations but I feel it's something else, if you can point it out that would be awesome, thanks.
Pwneroni
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Awesome vids Gichan! I think you're probably my favorite Wario to watch, because every time I see more and more tires! Good **** haha! They work a bit better against DK than against Snake, as you found out haha. Speaking of, time for a bit of advice!
Snake uses tons of grenades. What do you do about it? Well you want to avoid getting blown up when you approach, since Snake can take a bit more punishment than you therefore will live longer (generally). If you see him pulling nades and shielding defensively, punish with pummel-less grabs. If you grab Snake, a pummel will set the nade off near him so avoid pummeling.
Gimping Snake can be very beneficial, as seen in the **** first stock of the second match. Keep in mind your options for gimping, there are a few. Cypher bite, cypher grab and footstool are key things to practice in order to **** Snake off the edge. For example, you did a phenomenal cypher bite in the second match, but in the end of the first match you missed a footstool that could've won you the game. When Snake is in trouble and using his C4 to recover, you can foostool him out of the explosion. Totally ****, and not very difficult if you practice it. Just ledge drop and double jump, try to predict his DI and mash on jump. If successful, he will get his up b back but will be very low and very susceptible to a cypher bite.
How to get hit less? Well here is where the League of Legends practice comes in. You have to think a step ahead of your opponent, predict approaches and know your options. Dthrow tires more against your opponent, but try bouncing them right next to them rather than throwing it directly at them. Tires **** defensively and can be used to limit the opponent's options. Limiting options makes it easier for you to predict the option that they do. Mix up bites with your attacks to keep them from getting comfy in their shield. Avoid smash attacks unless guaranteed and use low lag aerials like Nair more.
There's lots of things we can all improve on, the best way is to watch your own matches and notice what you could have done differently. Honestly my FAVORITE Wario to watch is myself, for that exact reason. Watching other Warios can give you an idea of what to do and what not to do, watching yourself helps implement that knowledge! Great job improving Gichan, keep it up!
Snake uses tons of grenades. What do you do about it? Well you want to avoid getting blown up when you approach, since Snake can take a bit more punishment than you therefore will live longer (generally). If you see him pulling nades and shielding defensively, punish with pummel-less grabs. If you grab Snake, a pummel will set the nade off near him so avoid pummeling.
Gimping Snake can be very beneficial, as seen in the **** first stock of the second match. Keep in mind your options for gimping, there are a few. Cypher bite, cypher grab and footstool are key things to practice in order to **** Snake off the edge. For example, you did a phenomenal cypher bite in the second match, but in the end of the first match you missed a footstool that could've won you the game. When Snake is in trouble and using his C4 to recover, you can foostool him out of the explosion. Totally ****, and not very difficult if you practice it. Just ledge drop and double jump, try to predict his DI and mash on jump. If successful, he will get his up b back but will be very low and very susceptible to a cypher bite.
How to get hit less? Well here is where the League of Legends practice comes in. You have to think a step ahead of your opponent, predict approaches and know your options. Dthrow tires more against your opponent, but try bouncing them right next to them rather than throwing it directly at them. Tires **** defensively and can be used to limit the opponent's options. Limiting options makes it easier for you to predict the option that they do. Mix up bites with your attacks to keep them from getting comfy in their shield. Avoid smash attacks unless guaranteed and use low lag aerials like Nair more.
There's lots of things we can all improve on, the best way is to watch your own matches and notice what you could have done differently. Honestly my FAVORITE Wario to watch is myself, for that exact reason. Watching other Warios can give you an idea of what to do and what not to do, watching yourself helps implement that knowledge! Great job improving Gichan, keep it up!
Gichan
Smash Champion
thanks again pwn. Do you happen to know any helpful tips on forcing airdodges to fart? And how do i practice footstooling snake? And should I bother using tires vs snake?
Croi
Smash Lord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kml2kySd0x0
I do decently vs Marth but I very obviously do not know the ICs matchup. (first two matches)
e: gichan one of these days you and I must duel for Canadian fatty supremacy
you'd probably win tho
I do decently vs Marth but I very obviously do not know the ICs matchup. (first two matches)
e: gichan one of these days you and I must duel for Canadian fatty supremacy
you'd probably win tho
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
i just try to be aggressive with my fair/upair/bite/etc followups early game enough so that later on in the match snake's been "trained" to air dodge as their main option against me
Gichan
Smash Champion
No Croi, you, trust me I watch your matches and clearly see you cover some options I wouldn't. And your nair and grab usage is just ****, plus better farts. Too bad you woudn't be able to compete in Ontario one day, stupid Canada having to be so big. Competition here is amazing but I see your competition there is inconsistent, some **** players to some bad players.
Yeah I'll keep that in mind phiddles, I guess I do wait for them to land too much.
EDIT: If there is one MU I know it's ICs. I play a friend's ICs quite constantly. I didn't see too much bad in that match but there were still some issues.
1. Waaay too aggressive. I mean the best way isn't to be campy but that rush in was too much especially when you know they are always looking for the grab. Do a lot of nairs with buffered dashes, it's seriously important. Lots of weaving, lots, dairs, nairs, even bairs and then pull away with once again buffered dashes since they are most likely starting their dash while you are finishing your move. Btw, don't get predictable with the weaving of moves because if you make a certain timing they will start to PS it like a projectile and gain a lot of ground, which will lead to a grab.
2. Those squalls are annoying, the thing I find to hit them is at their start up, or use a retreating fair when it is getting close to you. But for the most part you were pretty effective with waiting for them to land and do an upair. Keep that up but just know that if you see a squall coming just fair it. Overall it's a good move so don't underestimate it.
3 Wait for them to start their desync because that's when their more vulnerable to a diving dair. So when you see them start the dash to desync stuff, full hop dair them, you will hit at least one of them. Plus it can sometimes separate them.
4. You play vs ICs like you would vs any other character, don't do that. When you get them to just popo, that's when you start playing like he's a regular character. Sometimes people **** up vs popo because they are still playing popo like if he had nana. That's a big mistake because his options are now significantly lower so get in there and do the do.
5. This is when I gotta strt sounding like Pwneroni, but those tires vs ICs is just amazing. They seriously **** them. Don't throw directly at them when they are doing blizzard walls but throw them at them when they are dashing, the effective thing about this is that you are interrupting their desync methods. And then obviously, create dthrow tire walls and punish other side of their shield.
There's probably way more but I really wanna watch Dexter lol. I have a ton of replays versus my friend, some wins some losses since he is simply better than me, too bad I can't upload them.
Yeah I'll keep that in mind phiddles, I guess I do wait for them to land too much.
EDIT: If there is one MU I know it's ICs. I play a friend's ICs quite constantly. I didn't see too much bad in that match but there were still some issues.
1. Waaay too aggressive. I mean the best way isn't to be campy but that rush in was too much especially when you know they are always looking for the grab. Do a lot of nairs with buffered dashes, it's seriously important. Lots of weaving, lots, dairs, nairs, even bairs and then pull away with once again buffered dashes since they are most likely starting their dash while you are finishing your move. Btw, don't get predictable with the weaving of moves because if you make a certain timing they will start to PS it like a projectile and gain a lot of ground, which will lead to a grab.
2. Those squalls are annoying, the thing I find to hit them is at their start up, or use a retreating fair when it is getting close to you. But for the most part you were pretty effective with waiting for them to land and do an upair. Keep that up but just know that if you see a squall coming just fair it. Overall it's a good move so don't underestimate it.
3 Wait for them to start their desync because that's when their more vulnerable to a diving dair. So when you see them start the dash to desync stuff, full hop dair them, you will hit at least one of them. Plus it can sometimes separate them.
4. You play vs ICs like you would vs any other character, don't do that. When you get them to just popo, that's when you start playing like he's a regular character. Sometimes people **** up vs popo because they are still playing popo like if he had nana. That's a big mistake because his options are now significantly lower so get in there and do the do.
5. This is when I gotta strt sounding like Pwneroni, but those tires vs ICs is just amazing. They seriously **** them. Don't throw directly at them when they are doing blizzard walls but throw them at them when they are dashing, the effective thing about this is that you are interrupting their desync methods. And then obviously, create dthrow tire walls and punish other side of their shield.
There's probably way more but I really wanna watch Dexter lol. I have a ton of replays versus my friend, some wins some losses since he is simply better than me, too bad I can't upload them.
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
MeekSpeedy (Sonic) vs Phiddlesticks (Wario) 1
MeekSpeedy (Sonic) vs Phiddlesticks (Wario) 2
sauc3 (MK) vs Phiddlesticks (Wario) 1
sauc3 (ICs) vs Phiddlesticks (Wario) 2
sauc3 (MK) vs Phiddlesticks (Wario) 3
Phiddlesticks (Wario) & lvl 9 Luigi vs MeekSpeedy (Sonic) & sauc3 (MK)
some friendly sets from a smashfest last weekend. just posting because i have like no wario videos, feel free to critique if you want (or dont critique if you dont want)
just make sure to at least watch the one doubles game lol
MeekSpeedy (Sonic) vs Phiddlesticks (Wario) 2
sauc3 (MK) vs Phiddlesticks (Wario) 1
sauc3 (ICs) vs Phiddlesticks (Wario) 2
sauc3 (MK) vs Phiddlesticks (Wario) 3
Phiddlesticks (Wario) & lvl 9 Luigi vs MeekSpeedy (Sonic) & sauc3 (MK)
some friendly sets from a smashfest last weekend. just posting because i have like no wario videos, feel free to critique if you want (or dont critique if you dont want)
just make sure to at least watch the one doubles game lol
Pwneroni
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Haha good stuff S!C :D TIRES ARE AWESOME!!! Jajajajaja
@Gichan: What I like to do is play 99 stock matches against a lvl 3 snake on battlefield. You can really easily practice cypher bites, footstools etc as well as general movement and combos. Yes you should use tires, they are the ****. Explore a bit more in depth with tires, you can do a lot of things besides throw to aerial.
@Gichan: What I like to do is play 99 stock matches against a lvl 3 snake on battlefield. You can really easily practice cypher bites, footstools etc as well as general movement and combos. Yes you should use tires, they are the ****. Explore a bit more in depth with tires, you can do a lot of things besides throw to aerial.
| Big D |
Smash Master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4DOrgNbZyY
Thought it was cool.
Loved the combo video, it was S!C (get it?)
Thought it was cool.
Loved the combo video, it was S!C (get it?)
Gichan
Smash Champion
Damn Sax, get some more vids up, that wario is too beast to keep hidden.
I saved most of my matches at last weeks tourny. Not sure who is uploading them. But I'm going to WATO this weekend. Hopefully I can get some up. I'll make sure to play on Exdeath's wii. Or try to ^_^
And thanks for the compliment! My wario has gotten a lot faster now. I'm really happy about that. I just get impatient >.< Dat scrub mentality
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
2link is so busy so i only had him do Grand Finals and LF. Exdeath is incapable to record atm. I'm relying on pit/snake boards to help me out w/my respective character(s) matches.
So basically anything from last weekend will have to be recorded from an outside source.
*hint hint* wario boards?
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9u2V7wNxV8&t=5m11s
very old match from when i thought i'd make the transition to wario :o the last kill was so good though!
very old match from when i thought i'd make the transition to wario :o the last kill was so good though!
Gichan
Smash Champion
http://www.twitch.tv/eschamptv (for Saturday, July 30th tournament)
Hey guys, make sure to watch tomorrow, we got three Warios repping; Bassem, myself, and Phiddlesticks! Show your support homeboys.
Hey guys, make sure to watch tomorrow, we got three Warios repping; Bassem, myself, and Phiddlesticks! Show your support homeboys.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
XD! I believe it was the latter.
So i'm a snake main till apex. And after that it will probably be Pit+1 other true main+1secondary.(Not sure whether i want fox or pit either more decision problems! )
I'm a firm believe 3 characters is the perfect amount to cover anything and everything while providing variety and keeping your creative juices working.
Problem is...i'm having trouble deciding who I'm trying to choose based off what character fits my natural style best but i'm having troubles attaching a distinguishable form to my style so i can figure it out =/
So i'm a snake main till apex. And after that it will probably be Pit+1 other true main+1secondary.(Not sure whether i want fox or pit either
more decision problems! )I'm a firm believe 3 characters is the perfect amount to cover anything and everything while providing variety and keeping your creative juices working.
Problem is...i'm having trouble deciding who
I'm trying to choose based off what character fits my natural style best but i'm having troubles attaching a distinguishable form to my style so i can figure it out =/
PieDisliker
Smash Lord
Holy **** I hope someone uploads the matches of Bassem vs. Holy.
They were amazing.
They were amazing.
Croi
Smash Lord
Gichan, if I had known ahead of time there was that tournament, I might have made the effort to go up to Ontario and enter it
SnackAttack
Smash Champion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcCUZMCgGQk
A video starring the king of bad Warios.
Tear me down, tell me how bad I am, and have fun.
More might come later, if I feel that my Ego can handle it.
A video starring the king of bad Warios.
Tear me down, tell me how bad I am, and have fun.
More might come later, if I feel that my Ego can handle it.
Gichan
Smash Champion
Man that whole tourney was mad hype. Swordgard vs Bassem, Swordgard vs Tin, Tin vs i1337 were mad epic.
The matches will definitely be uploaded to CanadaBrawl Youtube channel. I'll post them up here whenever they are uploaded. Also, you should watch the ESChamp upload of it if you want crowd reaction, cause it was mad loud.
Phiddles and I should have done better, lost to MUs we need to learn but overall the Wario rep was great. largely due to Bassem.
I also have a ****load of vids of Bassem vs Swordgard, Holy, and myself from the night before at my place, if anyone would like to upload them for even more reference then please PM me. But I think GF and WF of the tourney is enough to cover wario vs MK.
Shoutouts to Bassem for being so much fun.
And Croi, really???! Fuuuuck man. In Ontario we have a lot of tournies really, so I guess it depends on whenever you in the mood. We usually have 40+ but the last tourney at 32. We have an mk-banned tourney on the 13th and a regular tourney on the 20th of August.
Croi
Smash Lord
We're having Nova Scotia's biggest tournament on the 20th ourselves. You should try and make it down here instead, promises fun times.
Also I could upload a few vids if you want. This is the quality of my capture device.
Also I could upload a few vids if you want. This is the quality of my capture device.
Labernash
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PieDisliker
Smash Lord
Gichan
Smash Champion
Alright Croi I'll add you on wifi soon and I'll tell you when through a PM, then I'll send the important ones to you. Thanks man.