Wario Q&A Thread

[Masky]

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[TheReflexWonder]

Ivysaur doesn't air release Wario iirc, he just visually holds everyone above the ground because he uses his vines

He totally air releases Wario. Trust me.

 

[DMG]

Yeah Im pretty sure Ivy air releases him.

 

[Masky]

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[Jebu-95]

Any tips against MK? :/
I always seem to try some random stupid **** and end up losing in tournaments against MKs.
He's actually one of my most played MU's as DK and I usually do better with him against MK but obv. I dont want to have DK as a character that I would use against MKs.

 

[bassem6]

Any tips against MK? :/
I always seem to try some random stupid **** and end up losing in tournaments against MKs.
He's actually one of my most played MU's as DK and I usually do better with him against MK but obv. I dont want to have DK as a character that I would use against MKs.

Apply constant pressure and dont give him time to think because if you do, he well constantly space you and wall you out with his moves. Get up close and personal with him. You can be just outside of grab range. This will pressure the mk to make a move and then you can react and punch accordingly. F-smash him when he tries to ledgehop>nado to get back on stage.

Mixing in random dacuses will really screw with their sense of security. Upthrow is better to use than fthrow until you hit like 90% or so because then he will be going up anyway. You want him to be above you, then count his air jumps (5) and then upair him or fart him if he tries airdodging into the ground.

Mix your approach up. Dairs work well sometimes but fairs, airdodging behind or right in front of him and run up sheild are nice mix ups too. Be careful not to leave your bike on stage as it makes it really easy for mk to gimp you.

 

[Linkvader]

I love nairs and bites when up close to him :D.

 

[Kaffei]

Reflex, can I get ur opinion on the MK match up? like wat to do and etc
u said that campy mk ***** wario is there anything wario can do ? can he tire or something t.t

 

[-RedShadow]

quick question:

so i'm trying to practice the buffer-cg on falco. how i'm doing it is:

-training mode
-set dummy to 50%
-set dummy to jump

i'm pretty sure if i do it right he shouldnt be able to jump between grabs. i just wanted to make sure i'm practicing correctly (i'll try to upload a vid if there's some confusion)

 

[bassem6]

The cg starts at 52%. Im not sure if it has to get staler and staler as youre doing it for it to work all the way up to 120% but in training mode, the moves stay constantly fresh so if its not working, then thats something you may want to consider.

 

[Linkvader]

I say to do stuff like that in matches to make sure that training mode doesn't screw with it. Have a player next to you try and break out for more accurate results and practice.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Reflex, can I get ur opinion on the MK match up? like wat to do and etc
u said that campy mk ***** wario is there anything wario can do ? can he tire or something t.t

I'll post it tomorrow afternoon (or tomorrow morning, if you're lucky); I have work in the morning and should get some sleep.

It's not impossible, but you have to work WAY harder than you should have to. You have to straight-up outplay and read his mind many, many times.

 

[Kaffei]

ok reflex thank u =D

 

[Zigsta]

Ike, Zero Suit Samus, Donkey Kong, King Dedede, Peach, Yoshi, WARIO, Ganondorf, Ivysaur. I can't remember if Zelda, ROB, and Bowser can or not.

Bowser can.

 

[Labernash]

Bowser can.

I'm not sure we can trust you.

 

[Zigsta]

How can you NOT trust the Disney guy?

 

[BPx]

the little mermaid trusted ursela, look where that got her

 

[Zigsta]

But I'm a good guy, I swear!

 

[Labernash]

Good guys don't swear. They say fudge instead.

 

[Lord Chair]

setting the cpu to jump doesnt work, jumping takes way too long lol

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Okay, here we go--

Meta Knight has a number of options that basically take multiple hard reads in order to get in on.

If he uses retreating F-Air, you pretty much have to be moving toward him at the same time that he jumps in the first place in order to get into range before he can just poke you away. From there, he can do his 22-frame forward roll to avoid and disorient you, spotdodge to avoid your inevitable action, or Shuttle Loop through a potential attack. Based on that, you would think, "Okay, well, I could just wait for him to do something," but that doesn't work because his tilts, D-Smash, N-Air, tornado, and grab all work quite well if you hesitate for even the slightest bit of time.

Since he moves much faster than you on the ground, he sets the pace for spacing in general, and sword swings allow him to prevent trading from being a reasonable option with anything but Waft and the occasional B-Air. You can either push your luck with a spotdodge and hope that he's grabbing at that time, hope that he decides to put himself in the air, do an attack with weak range and hope he's not shielding or doing an attack at that time (right), or airdodge near him and hope that he didn't just wait for you to do something or that his attack didn't end before your spotdodge. Worse still--You have no good ground moves to compete with him, even if you're both in neutral animation on the ground. If you give chase while you're both in the air, he can just beat whatever you're going to do with Mach Tornado.

Work time, though. I made this sound very bleak, but I'll describe what you -can- do about it when I'm finished with work.

 

[Kaffei]

very interesting so far; looking forward to when u come back =D

 

[Linkvader]

Wow, thanks Reflex, that helped me. It seems that the Wario player needs to play better, make no mistakes, or make a lot more reads than his opponent. It's a MU where you always need to be playing and paying attention.

 

[BPx]

sup waribros, i had an idea today.

would you guys want me to make a MU "cheat sheat" ? We wouldn't necessarily need to include specifics about how to play the MUs, but I think a thread where we list all of the other characters, good places to CP them, and where to ban would be reallly beneficial. I played a pika at E52 and took him to rainbow cruise like a moron, and if we consolidated everything into a single thread it will probably make some of us newer warios more MU literate so simple mistakes like that wouldn't happen >.<

Just throwing the idea by you guys before I make the thread :D
let me know what you think

 

[Linkvader]

There's the BBR MU sheet, but that's not as accurate and specific. I just saw something like this in the Diddy thread. If someone would be up to it, then I would contribute and would seem like fun.

 

[Labernash]

I like it sir. I think the Donkey Kongs have one. It's pretty handy there. Maybe include tips like "poke with FAir alot, early kills with Waft, don't chase offstage" kinda thing.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Sorry about not responding earlier. I have work again now, and my brother's wedding is tomorrow.

Quick question, though--Can we Gatling Combo people at low percents? (That's Dash Attack -> U-Smash, like Falco.) That would give us another use for that Frame 4 Dash Attack.

 

[Lord Chair]

Wow, thanks Reflex, that helped me. It seems that the Wario player needs to play better, make no mistakes, or make a lot more reads than his opponent. It's a MU where you always need to be playing and paying attention.

If you aren't paying attention you don't deserve to win any MU, paying attention and making reads is applicable in every matchup.

 

[Linkvader]

Yeah, but MK isn't as forgiving as other characters sometimes. MK has the best punishes, so you need to play almost perfectly, or have better skill level than your opponent.

 

[Labernash]

Sorry about not responding earlier. I have work again now, and my brother's wedding is tomorrow.

Quick question, though--Can we Gatling Combo people at low percents? (That's Dash Attack -> U-Smash, like Falco.) That would give us another use for that Frame 4 Dash Attack.

Like, hit them with Dash Attack, they pop up, then fall into our U-Smash?

 

[Lord Chair]

Yeah, but MK isn't as forgiving as other characters sometimes. MK has the best punishes, so you need to play almost perfectly, or have better skill level than your opponent.

You're making literally zero sense whatsoever and are reminding me of why I'm not a regular here anymore.

 

[Kaffei]

Yeah, but MK isn't as forgiving as other characters sometimes. MK has the best punishes, so you need to play almost perfectly, or have better skill level than your opponent.

Best punishes? Not really, unless you mean off stage if you DI a SL really poorly

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Like, hit them with Dash Attack, they pop up, then fall into our U-Smash?

Yes; hit with the edge of it and then U-Smash. That's the idea.

 

[Masky]

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[Labernash]

Yes; hit with the edge of it and then U-Smash. That's the idea.

Sounds like it'd work. Could they DI the Dash Attack and avoid the U-Smash though?

Masky, post a new Wario video. I want some camp.

 

[Kaffei]

how the **** do i fight GW with wario
this match up is impossible to me

 

[Labernash]

how the **** do i fight GW with wario
this match up is impossible to me

I used to play GW alot. Not an expert, but this is what I can think of.

- Bait B-Air/F-air, shield, then OoS N-Air him.
- Minute wafts are good here.
- Don't rush in, he's got good tilts and smashes.
- B-Air when he's offstage, but don't chase him to far.
- Butt taunt.
- Clap is really handy. Don't risk clapping his D-Air.
- Watch for his F-Smash. Kills early.
- Tell him he can catch wafts in his bucket for free kills.
- F-Air poke him?
- F-throw him. Or B-Throw if it'll get him offstage.
- Grab his big black sasuage and make him beep.

Sorry, this is all I got. Just space well and make him angry. =/

 

[BPx]

- Tell him he can catch wafts in his bucket for free kills.

looooooool. totally doing this next time.

 

[Pwneroni]

I used to play GW alot. Not an expert, but this is what I can think of.

- Bait B-Air/F-air, shield, then OoS N-Air him.
- Minute wafts are good here.
- Don't rush in, he's got good tilts and smashes.
- B-Air when he's offstage, but don't chase him to far.
- Butt taunt.
- Clap is really handy. Don't risk clapping his D-Air.
- Watch for his F-Smash. Kills early.
- Tell him he can catch wafts in his bucket for free kills.
- F-Air poke him?
- F-throw him. Or B-Throw if it'll get him offstage.
- Grab his big black sasuage and make him beep.

Sorry, this is all I got. Just space well and make him angry. =/

LOL best advice ever!! xD love the butt taunt haha! Nair Oos too good!

 

[Kaffei]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYB1KQBusT0 0:27
how does one do this

It's in the AT thread as "Chopper Hop".