Wario Q&A Thread

[Pwneroni]

No no lol I was merely pointing out that Atomsk said it was easy. D3 mains have an easier time buffering grabs, because they're used to it from the characters I listed. Naameen? I had a hard time learning it, because I never really buffered anything before with strict timing like that.

I would get pissed and frustrated when I kept trying to learn the Falco GC haha. Thank goodness I got the timing down now xD I swear I gave up like 10 times over 6 months before I got it down.

 

[toobusytocare]

holy sh*t... the CG on Falco is f*cking difficult to be consistent with... its easy as hell VS Bowser and DK though. but I cant get it done more than 2 or 3 times when the Falco is actively trying to get out by rolling away. its very handy in the matchup, but hella difficult to get down.

its the same timing for every character if you do it right

and its really easy

yall just need to learn to buffer

it'll make you better

 

[B.Mack]

I can do it, just not consistently... For bowser and DK you don't have to buffer it... Dunno about Wolf.
How come it works on wolf and falcon but not on Fox?

 

[Padô]

I gotta buffer at Bowser also If you don't he'll UpB out of it, you can regrab Bowser without buffering if he does not try to UpB. You cannot regrab Wolf and Falco if you do not buffer.

Fox seems to get knocked away a little further the those 2, maybe he's lighter?

 

[Lord Chair]

its the same timing for every character if you do it right

I don't think that's correct considering that throw animations last longer on heavier characters. The buffer window takes place during a different animation on heavier characters than it does on lighter characters.

Fox', Falco's and Wolf's mechanics are slightly different from one other. Wolf tends to get ****ed over more often 'cause he's a lot heavier. I wager Fox is, indeed, too light.

 

[Razmakazi]

how do u use bite?

what exactly is safe on shield?

how safe is uair on shield (i see wario's get away with it so i assume it is sometimes)?

is wario any good at point blank range?

i heard wario had a slow jump but what's the start-up?

what are some of the biggest problems this character has to face?

i'm looking to pick up wario as a secondary. he's fun and mine is already half-decent. just half though.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

how do u use bite? press b

what exactly is safe on shield? grab bite uair on the back of shields

how safe is uair on shield (i see wario's get away with it so i assume it is sometimes)? depends on where you hit with it

is wario any good at point blank range? Not really he has an awesome shield grab but his ground moves are on the slow slide you can get in close though and fight at close range also.

i heard wario had a slow jump but what's the start-up? 7 frames

what are some of the biggest problems this character has to face? people not playing his to his potential

i'm looking to pick up wario as a secondary. he's fun and mine is already half-decent. just half though.
Wario is good hope you have fun with him.

 

[B.Mack]

nair spaces round shield amazingly... b-air is probably not safe, jump oos is 7 frames, Wario has no projectiles and no sword, ofcourse he's good at point blank range! Grab release is his biggest problem. you use bite by pressing the B button. beats shields, spotdoges and all moves within it's radius which arent disjointed. dont spam it though, its very punishable.
uair's safety on shield depends on where you land it, but it has a nice bit of shield push.

EDIT: zomg AL beat me to it.

 

[Blue Rogue]

how do u use bite? press b

Should I feel bad for lol-ing?

 

[Padô]

I was about to say only airdodges are safe on shield but thats well known by every Wario player.

Never get predictable with Wario you are either getting grabbed 192841 times or outranged the other 99%.

 

[Pwneroni]

I really doubt that Wario's jump is 7 frames.

 

[Padô]

You shouldn't be doubting it. DMG will probably come down here and prove you.

 

[Pwneroni]

It can't be more than 5 or 6. I'll test it out later, because that would mean that his jump is 1 frame faster than his Fsmash. Not like that.

Edit: Wow.... it is that slow! I never knew :O Well TECHNICALLY I would say it has a 6 frame startup, and he is airborne on frame 7 but ****... I seriously never knew it was that slow! That's almost the speed of his Fsmash!

Well to be fair, his legs are like what... 6 inches long? Does he even have any knees? xD

 

[Razmakazi]

knees?

nah, he's all stomach fat, pelvis, and shins.

and by how do you use bite I meant ways to utilize it but I was toying w/ him in friendlies a couple hrs ago and I've just being it to end aerial strings, beat airdodges, win point blank guessing games.

anyway AL i'd like to know what you think warios are lacking if they aren't using him to his fullest potential.

 

[Lord Chair]

AL could've elaborated: you predict something punishable by Bite and THEN you press B.

 

[Allied]

wario is kinda cute.

 

[Padô]

wario is kinda cute.

He's sexy and ripped. Cute is kinda gay also, If Wario sees you doing that he would probably spit on his hand and slap you on your face because he's MANLY.

WA

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

wario is kinda cute.

he kinda looks like ron jeremy to me.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

knees?

nah, he's all stomach fat, pelvis, and shins.

and by how do you use bite I meant ways to utilize it but I was toying w/ him in friendlies a couple hrs ago and I've just being it to end aerial strings, beat airdodges, win point blank guessing games.

anyway AL i'd like to know what you think warios are lacking if they aren't using him to his fullest potential.

The desire to camp I think too many Wario's get caught up in being aggro with him and that's all they do. It's kind of like a horse with blinders. All they can do is see straight ahead. All some aggro wario's do is rush. Then it's the CG but I think people are starting to learn that. It's like stop thinking about what people feel/think about you and play to win. People get real sore from when Wario camps them but that doesn't stop them from camping/GR Wario. Then there's also the bike. I just want people to explore all of Wario's playstyles before they start claiming things are certain ways.

 

[B.Mack]

Is is just me or is the bite absolutely AMAZING out of a close-range spotdodge? its like a GTFO move... but with STYLE and BALLS. Also, it can be B-reversed for more epickness... I love it.

 

[phi1ny3]

How much disadvantage framewise does Wario's fsmash have when blocked?

 

[Pwneroni]

I was playing smash yesterday, and I found some pretty awesome new combat maneuvers! Sure you might know of them already, but have you named them? I'll list a few of them off right here, right now.

Pollution Solution: Get on bike, hit opponent offstage. Proceed to jump off and fart or Uair for the kill.

No Country for Old Men: Normally, when an opponent gets knocked offstage, you have an opportunity to crash the bike on the edge and throw it. Allow yourself do to that a lot. Just pull it out, throw it up and try to edgeguard. Here comes the mindgame, it works best when the opponent is near-ish to the stage. Crash the bike onto the stage, and quickly just drop and fart them for the kill! Best mindgame ever xD hahaha

Shogunistic Strike: This one is really legit, it takes advantage of Wario's super armor frames on his Fsmash. You know when MK Fsmashes your shield, then Dsmashes right after? Yeah normally it's unpunishable. However, it you time it perfectly, you drop your shield right after his Fsmash hits, then Fsmash. If you time it right, your super armor frames will go straight through the Dsmash and hit his hand! BAM! So epic looking when you land it!

 

[Razmakazi]

The desire to camp I think too many Wario's get caught up in being aggro with him and that's all they do. It's kind of like a horse with blinders. All they can do is see straight ahead. All some aggro wario's do is rush. Then it's the CG but I think people are starting to learn that. It's like stop thinking about what people feel/think about you and play to win. People get real sore from when Wario camps them but that doesn't stop them from camping/GR Wario. Then there's also the bike. I just want people to explore all of Wario's playstyles before they start claiming things are certain ways.

Yeah it's the same with Peach. People get caught up in wanting to combo or wanting to land dair when dair isn't even that great of a move with her. And as for the CG, I agree. Buffering isn't even hard, I just feel that people are too lazy to get a little tech skill and I also feel this because I play Peach and I can do some things a lot just don't bother with b/c of the tech requirement.

As for the bike, I'll keep that in mind but I'm not gonna **** w/ that til I rly know what the hell I'm doing with Wario basics spacing/punishment/running away/recovery/etc.

How much disadvantage framewise does Wario's fsmash have when blocked?

Dude, my Peach can unblock (doesn't have to be powershield) and dash sweetspot up-smash right after. That much.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

How much disadvantage framewise does Wario's fsmash have when blocked?

I'm sure there's some frame data somewhere. However, you don't want to fsmash someone's shield.

I was playing smash yesterday, and I found some pretty awesome new combat maneuvers! Sure you might know of them already, but have you named them? I'll list a few of them off right here, right now.

Pollution Solution: Get on bike, hit opponent offstage. Proceed to jump off and fart or Uair for the kill.

No Country for Old Men: Normally, when an opponent gets knocked offstage, you have an opportunity to crash the bike on the edge and throw it. Allow yourself do to that a lot. Just pull it out, throw it up and try to edgeguard. Here comes the mindgame, it works best when the opponent is near-ish to the stage. Crash the bike onto the stage, and quickly just drop and fart them for the kill! Best mindgame ever xD hahaha

Shogunistic Strike: This one is really legit, it takes advantage of Wario's super armor frames on his Fsmash. You know when MK Fsmashes your shield, then Dsmashes right after? Yeah normally it's unpunishable. However, it you time it perfectly, you drop your shield right after his Fsmash hits, then Fsmash. If you time it right, your super armor frames will go straight through the Dsmash and hit his hand! BAM! So epic looking when you land it!

why do you keep coming up where these weird names for you doing something? you remind me of humptrashabout.

 

[Pwneroni]

Haha that's just how I work xD

Fsmash is safe on shield in one instance I think. When the opponent is close to the ledge, you can safely Fsmash their shield. The smash is strong enough to push them backwards, and they fall off the level and grab the ledge. However, if they powershield then you're hosed.

 

[SnackAttack]

Where has Humpy been?

 

[Razmakazi]

Why does Wario get hit?

If his mobility is so gay and he has this dumb ability to time people out then is there anything Warios in particular and doing that gets them hit or any dumb tactics that is just hard for Wario to deal with? It just seems like he should be rly hard to hit or grab but it happens anyway.

 

[Kaffei]

Because Humans are not perfect

 

[Razmakazi]

ur an idiot. go hop back on m2k ****.

what i mean is general situations that people put wario in or that wario puts himself in that results in damage and grabs like getting hit by something quick because you tried to do a move oos w/ wario's slow jump or approaching too much or whatever.

 

[DMG]

ur an idiot. go hop back on m2k ****.

what i mean is general situations that people put wario in or that wario puts himself in that results in damage and grabs like getting hit by something quick because you tried to do a move oos w/ wario's slow jump or approaching too much or whatever.

It's true. There are a lot of scenarios Wario shouldn't get hit in if done correctly by both sides. Most people do not exploit this however, or do so poorly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcrXRZwHAnM

Notice what Atomsk abuses against Lucario. It's stuff like this people don't use as much as they could in tournament. Putting yourself into scenarios like ^^^ is the path to success.

 

[Kaffei]

ur an idiot. go hop back on m2k ****.

what i mean is general situations that people put wario in or that wario puts himself in that results in damage and grabs like getting hit by something quick because you tried to do a move oos w/ wario's slow jump or approaching too much or whatever.

Please do not call me an idiot and then use an ad hominem after asking a question like that. I gave a legitimate response, did I not?

 

[Pwneroni]

Lmao Raz, if you looked into Kaffei's statement, there is a lot of truth. Let's say I'm coming down on top of Mk with a dair, we're both in the air. My dair hits. Should it have? No, not generally because MK's Uair comes out quicker and beats my move. However, sometimes it works. Why? Because humans aren't perfect. Do you think we are or something? xD

Edit: Oh and **** timing people out. All I have to say bout that.

 

[SnackAttack]

Yeah seriously. Don't come in this thread asking a question and then call someone an idiot when they give you an

Spoiler

EXCELLENT

answer. We don't need that **** here.

 

[B.Mack]

I wouldnt time people out, I hate the entire concept of doing that... but I like the system that Atomsk was using to stay in the air and stay safe... I might emulate it to some extent. mainly just to charge up my wafts and make my opponents approach badly
Although that is a legitimate strategy against Lucario, keep the sucker at low % and he cant do sh*t.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

It's true. There are a lot of scenarios Wario shouldn't get hit in if done correctly by both sides. Most people do not exploit this however, or do so poorly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcrXRZwHAnM

Notice what Atomsk abuses against Lucario. It's stuff like this people don't use as much as they could in tournament. Putting yourself into scenarios like ^^^ is the path to success.

Cool vid Atomsk started getting sloppy later in the game though.

 

[Razmakazi]

well i apologize then. i saw the truth in the statement right away but i felt it was really just sarcasm.

i guuuuess i misunderstood then, i'll refrain from the name-calling.

DMG: Thx~ that actually helps a lot.

Pwneroni: Come to winter game fest!

 

[Lord Chair]

Tbh Lucario is free regardless.

 

[Pwneroni]

Pokemon Trela beat Bassem and Krystedez dude. No such thing as a "free win" ever.

I have decided to time out Ice Climbers now. **** that ****. I lost to an ICs player in tournament yesterday, and lemme tell you. Getting 0-deathed is enough to change my attitude towards camping. It's like, okay I can be cool and aggressive, but if I mess up ONE FREAKING TIME then my entire stock is gone. We were both tired (it was 5 am), so I got grabbed a lot and he dropped his grabs a lot. However the last stock was literally 0% to death.

What's the best way to practice camping? I was trying out Cruel Brawl, 3 lvl 9'son a team against me with team attack off, etc.

 

[ADHD]

Did you know they found an Ice Climber infinite on Wario? You need nana and popo, though.

 

[Pwneroni]

Vids or it didn't happen.