Wario Q&A Thread

[toobusytocare]

yeah alex, you cant do much about snakes grenades except avoid them if the snake is good :\

 

[g2g4gold]

'Sup Warios!

I'm just starting to try and learn the character, I'm a Snake main for the most part, and I was wondering if there's anything I should focus on first.

It's not as straightforward as I first imagined, everyone seems to play Wario differently, but I was hoping you guys could give me 4-5 areas or techniques to start working on.

I know it's a general question, but it'd be a huge help! Thanks!

Edit: About the insta-throwing back Snake's grenades -

As a Snake player, I can say that it's a good mix-up to have. However, if you do it a couple times (like more than once), he'll expect it and strip it the moment it comes into your possession. This is win-win for him, because there's really no downside to him having stripped the grenade, he can do anything he wants with it afterward.

 

[Asa]

1. work on not getting grabbed
2. work on not getting grabbed
3. work on not getting grabbed

wario doesn't really have ATs lol

do you see yourself as a campy wario or a more aggressive one?

 

[g2g4gold]

I'm probably somewhere in he middle, I'd say more aggressive, which makes that tough. I suppose I can just work on that.

When you say work on not getting grabbed, is it risky shielding as Wario? What are some of my better options on avoiding pivot grabs (I have a Marth friend who's extremely good at successful grabs)?

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

I'm probably somewhere in he middle, I'd say more aggressive, which makes that tough. I suppose I can just work on that.

When you say work on not getting grabbed, is it risky shielding as Wario? What are some of my better options on avoiding pivot grabs (I have a Marth friend who's extremely good at successful grabs)?

If you're getting pivot grabbed you should look at what you're doing/how you're approaching. Pivot grabs extend the GR for characters and a character like Marth or Snake can take advantage of this. If you know that you're opponent is going for a pivot grab just don't even get within their grab range.

 

[Asa]

your main tool is your aerial mobiity

don't land near people

be careful when aproaching and try to bait the pivot grabs

 

[g2g4gold]

Got it, will do. Most of the pivot grabs happen on my recovery or as I'm landing, but I haven't played him much with Wario yet so I'll try things out and see what happens. Thanks guys!

 

[KAB1]

Does anyone know any good ways of getting around a Falco who spams side-B (but not mindlessly)? When I play my friend's Falco it's lasers all day and if I get close he zips over to the other side of the stage. I try neutral air to beat it but he waits for it to finish to side-B. So approaching=side-B and Nairing in the air=delayed side-B. Help would be very much appreciated.

 

[Zigsta]

Just learn the timing to nair him out of it.

It sounds like you know HOW to stop it--your problem is you're playing formulaicly and are getting punished for it. You need to adapt to your opponent's movements and react accordingly.

 

[KAB1]

But side-B comes out too fast to react to.

 

[Zigsta]

You'll get used to it over time. I know a handful of top Wario players react to it rather easily.

That said, you can always just run and punish with a pivot grab. Biting Falco at the end of his Illusion is also cool. You can also Waft it, depending on the timing.

If at all possible, get a friend to help you in training mode. Count down when you want your friend to side B and practice the timing. Then get him to use it whenever and see if you can react to it better.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

But side-B comes out too fast to react to.

Fair nair dsmash are good tools to stop his side b. You have to predict it and try not commit to anything when he's firing his lasers at you there was some pretty decent discussion about it in this thread.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=255258

You should also check out this thread for other threads that can help Wario's

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225463

A lot of the info is out there just gotta know where to find it.

 

[KAB1]

Thanks guys. I guess I'll try my best.

Edit: Wait so you can Fair Falco out of his side-B? Well that's pretty helpful then.

 

[SnackAttack]

Fair2Waft. That is all.

 

[Padô]

Lord Chair got some really useful info on Falco's SideB... IIRC he said that in the first half of the SideB Falco is invulnerable and on the second half it's got NO PRIORITY AT ALL. So bait him into it and punish the ending of the SideB with your good aerial mobility.

 

[Pwneroni]

Pado, that news is a little bit on the dated side heh. I found that if you are precise enough, dtilt is the best move to catch Falco out of his side b with. If dtilt lands, falco is stunned right next to you, and you can do a lot of nasty stuff to him.

On the grenade thing, this strategy is completely viable. If Snake throws a grenade at you, you can ADC toss it back at him. If he cooks it, this allows you to get up to him and apply pressure via zoning. If he strips it, you can just shield or throw it back because he can't strip it again.

I try to stay away from "jumping away and doing nothing" as much as possible. Not saying I never do it, because sometimes it's the best possible option. However, when other options, possiby better and put on more pressure are just waiting to be discovered, I try my best to find those and use them.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

What does the information being old have anything to do with it? It's still good solid advice.

 

[Pwneroni]

Agreed, and I had input to contribute dtilt ftw! Nair is probably the next best since it comes out so fast, but the follow up options are more limited.

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[Pwneroni]

risk vs reward definitely. nair or dair is easier to hit, but if Falco is predictable or you have really good timing, dtilt has the most reward.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Just shield or or dair/nair the second half of it. Do not try dsmash/dtilt/bite/pivot grab/whatever other people suggested, those are just silly

How is dsmash silly? It can be very effective and if hit send falco at an awkward angle or kill him. Bite is silly and so is pivot grab.

 

[Pwneroni]

really sure bite just gets hit, but wow can pivot grab actually work? that's hella flashy if it does haha.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

really sure bite just gets hit, but wow can pivot grab actually work? that's hella flashy if it does haha.

You can bite him out of it you guy will like trade and he'll like fall down or something it's rather silly.

 

[Padô]

Yea, some stupid **** I noticed...

If you bite the second half of Falco's Side on YI deformed ledge you just trade hits and Falco goes under de edge free to have a fart/nair/<insert gimp move here> landed.

 

[tedeth]

That works on any stage if you're right at the edge.

That being said, you will get hit by it so you'd have to be on really low % to do anything to him before he upbs to the edge.

Has anyone else experimente with cging on slopes? I havn't really seen it mentioned but if your opponent doesn't expect it it can be quite ridiculous.

 

[leatherhead93]

How in anyway is dsmash useful against side b?
You'll get punished more often than not for using it.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

How in anyway is dsmash useful against side b?
You'll get punished more often than not for using it.

They side B you Dsmash you hit them with dsmash. They go flying.

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[Zelderu Maryoto]

That works on any stage if you're right at the edge.

That being said, you will get hit by it so you'd have to be on really low % to do anything to him before he upbs to the edge.

Has anyone else experimente with cging on slopes? I havn't really seen it mentioned but if your opponent doesn't expect it it can be quite ridiculous.

I think it works if the opponent gets hit to the uphill, however if it geets hit to the downhill, it can just jump away.

Question: Who is/was the best Wario ever, Futile or Fiction?

 

[tedeth]

I think it works if the opponent gets hit to the uphill, however if it geets hit to the downhill, it can just jump away.

Question: Who is/was the best Wario ever, Futile or Fiction?

Yeah I know. But hills allow Wario to cg characters that he otherwise couldn't.

As do walls.

They also generally change the starting and ending %s that the characters we can cg can rach from it.

 

[leatherhead93]

They side B you Dsmash you hit them with dsmash. They go flying.

Not in low percents. In fact the can just get hit by your dsmash and cg you =/

 

[kaak]

Nothing in my post on Phantasm is outdated, the part about dsmash is a tad silly though, if you predict a sideB you're usually better off ****** them with... better **** (also, people already noted why dsmash is awful, forgive my suggestion in that wall of text).

~Chair

 

[bassem6]

I have actually began using up tilt against falcos side b. The hitbox has a surprising amount of priority and it stays out for a while. It also pops falco up in an awkward position where you can upair or waft him.

 

[kaak]

That's actually an awesome idea :X

~Chair

 

[Pwneroni]

Whoa! Seems like it would be a lot easier to land than dtilt haha.

 

[KAB1]

Wow, really good stuff here. Thanks a ton guys.

 

[Zelderu Maryoto]

Question: Who is/was the best Wario ever, Fiction or Futile?

 

[kaak]

Question: How can I cause unnecessary controversy?

Gtfo.

~Chair

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[Zelderu Maryoto]

So how do I figure it out?