Villains Mafia - X1-12 lynched! Town wins! X1-12, Indie survivor, wins a bit less!

[Overswarm]

Vote Count:
Xsyven (4) - Sir Bedevere, Vanderzant, X1-12, Zen
Dastrn (1) - Xsyven
UTD Zac (1)- Dastrn
GorditoBoy69 (1)- EdreesesPieces

Not Voting:
Meta-Kirby, GorditoBoy69, UTDZac, J, Rajam

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Wednesday, Oct. 6th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

 

[M.K]

FOS FOS FOS POKE FLOATS: GorditoBoy

You are wayyyy too intent on protecting him. You want to give him another day to do WHAT exactly? Kill someone, maybe? You have no justifiable basis for allowing him to live, other than "I don't wanna lynch him, he's good after the first day guaiz D: C'mon now...stop it".

>___________>

 

[Sir Bedevere]

#85: Odd declarations about how we should handle M-K. If we're entering lylo we must risk and lynch the most likely scum isntead of dead-weight just because of that, specially if we think at that point M-K is town. Not liking how do you imply to just let M-K live and then lynch him in the future

Why can't dead-weight be scum? What if everyone except MK has been active and contributing?

And as has been said before, MK is dangerous in lylo. With a 5-person lylo, one of which being MK and two being scum, all scum has to do is NOT vote MK and they win. They can just vote for no lynch, wait till Night, NK someone, and win. I don't want to lose like that. Lynching MK is almost as good as lynching scum, because we prevent scum from winning in lylo.

Actually, thinking about it, I think we can just avoid lylo all together. This is a 12-person game and we'll always have an even amount of players, assuming no no-lynches, bombs, vigs/SKs, doc protects, or any number of those things in an odd amount (which I guess is pretty likely to happen lol). This means we can only ever be in mylo, which effectively becomes lylo, because we have the same amount of people voting as we would in lylo (unless we vote MK), and opting to no-lynch will kill us (since we'll be in lylo with MK).

lol effing MK's role

@X1, OK...but what's so different between a text colour posting restriction and a emoticon posting restriction? What is your rationale for why one sounds silly, while the other sounds legitimate and real? I could honestly replace "in green" with "with smiley faces" in your last quote and I wouldn't be able to see the difference.

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unvote (lol forgot from RVS)

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@Zen

Gordito, what do you like about J's posts now that he has posted?

Moreorless, the fact that he's actually trying, rather than actively lurking (which was the assumption of his play going through the Day). Although I don't agree with some of the stuff he's been saying, I can see the effort.

@Van, I'm not quite saying that "those that are posting are town, and those that aren't are scum". In fact, iirc, about an hour after I made that post, I checked out Rajam's profile, and it said he was reading MegaMafia, although he had promised to make a reread (yes, he is starting to contribute a bit, so I'm gonna go off the active lurking bit. Just thought I'd back my crap up).

@EP my previous post was moreorless directed at your reasoning for voting me, so... yea.

@Dastrn I'll tell you in another post, cuz I don't want my computer to crash... So just in case it does, I'll stop this post.

 

[M.K]

And as has been said before, MK is dangerous in lylo. With a 5-person lylo, one of which being MK and two being scum, all scum has to do is NOT vote MK and they win. They can just vote for no lynch, wait till Night, NK someone, and win. I don't want to lose like that. Lynching MK is almost as good as lynching scum, because we prevent scum from winning in lylo.

LOL You people are not smart....or you aren't thinking outside of the box.

In a LYLO situation, I would forego my night power to vote >_> Simple.

 

[X1-12]

@X1[/B], OK...but what's so different between a text colour posting restriction and a emoticon posting restriction? What is your rationale for why one sounds silly, while the other sounds legitimate and real? I could honestly replace "in green" with "with smiley faces" in your last quote and I wouldn't be able to see the difference.

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unvote (lol forgot from RVS)

I find saying, "Why so many smileys gordito?" more scummy in intent, because it at least attempts to hide what it is, whereas saying "OMG is that a colour posting restriction?" is not really ringing scum bells for me

 

[UTDZac]

Zen, what's the reasoning for jumping on Xys wagon? You kinda just came in, voted, then moved on to a different topic without really saying anything about the cases brought up against Xys.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

oh, durrr

NVM then, lynching MK before lylo is not a high priority.

Did you just figure out that voting would strip you of your night action now, or did you always know, or are you just assuming? I remember you saying you didn't actually know the punishment for voting someone "out of turn", you just knew you would be punished.

@X1, I still don't see why "baiting" a posting restriction (if that's even what Zen was trying to do) is actually scummy. There's nothing scum actually gains from learning that someone has a posting restriction, unless one of their aims is to kill them, in which case, they'll know right away ("OMG, I'm supposed to kill the guy who keeps using smiley faces and there he is! DIE DIE DIE!").

If posting restrictions were something people are supposed to hide and Dastrn/Gordito had them, I think Zac would get in just as much heat as Zen for what he did.

 

[X1-12]

@X1, I still don't see why "baiting" a posting restriction (if that's even what Zen was trying to do) is actually scummy. There's nothing scum actually gains from learning that someone has a posting restriction, unless one of their aims is to kill them, in which case, they'll know right away ("OMG, I'm supposed to kill the guy who keeps using smiley faces and there he is! DIE DIE DIE!").

I'm pretty sure OS said roles in this game had been used before, which unfortunately could mean that finding the post restriction could lead to finding the role

If posting restrictions were something people are supposed to hide and Dastrn/Gordito had them, I think Zac would get in just as much heat as Zen for what he did.

Did you not see my post about intent?

 

[Sir Bedevere]

I'm pretty sure OS said roles in this game had been used before, which unfortunately could mean that finding the post restriction could lead to finding the role

But you wouldn't have to ask "hey, do you have a posting restriction?" to find out if they have one, at least not the ones we've talked about lol (colour and smileys). From a scum perspective, if they were trying to find the person who used smiley faces, all they'd need to do was wait and watch Gordito to see if he continued to do it, and if he did, they'd do whatever they wanted to do with him. If Zen/Zac were scum attempting to find posting restrictions, they wouldn't put themselves "out there" as they did; they'd just wait and see if the posting restrictions kept up.

Did you not see my post about intent?

If Zen wanted to find out if Gordito had a posting restriction, he wouldn't have asked him that directly. Yes, it isn't AS direct as "yo, you got a posting restriction?", but it's direct enough that, if asking for posting restrictions was later determined to be scummy, Zen would get in trouble for it. The fact that Zen was not 100% direct with his question is not relevant, as it was pretty clear what he was attempting to find out by asking what he asked. If Zen didn't want to let others know he was fishing for posting restrictions, it wouldn't be as obvious as that.

 

[M.K]

@Sir, I'm assuming. It seems like the most logical punishment, however, based on what's written in my pm.

 

[#HBC | J]

So that I seem like a town player:

@Darstn and J, Can we get a post from both you guys without any use of color in the post? Just normal text. It probably doesn't mean much and honestly doesn't take any effort from you guys. I'd just like to know you guys don't have some sort of posting restriction. Of course I can't really do anything knowing there's a restriction, but it might be useful later on.

This will be my post without any color ;o It isn't a restriction I just like posting in Pink because it matches my ava.

@Zen



Moreorless, the fact that he's actually trying, rather than actively lurking (which was the assumption of his play going through the Day). Although I don't agree with some of the stuff he's been saying, I can see the effort.

Can you please point out the things you do not agree with in the stuff I brought up? I'd like to see your thoughts on them.

Also I would like to see Zen answer UTD's question as to why you just voted Xsyven with no explanation.

 

[Xivii]

I was in a rush earlier so apologies for the jm;grkj.

@X1- You don't know what our intent was no matter how it's worded. Is it your goal this game to piss me off with BS? kuz the way you are playing is hella annoying. His 1st post definitely has scum advantage, and it actually IS role fishing. His Second post is no different than mine. Roles can't be revealed by post restrictions. That would be a total fail on the mods part. And OS isn't going to do something like that. (tbc in next post.)

 

[Xivii]

My post was just as direct only I didn't think it was a restriction in the 1st place. But I did keep it in consideration. As I said before, my intent was to see if he was off his meta. I've seen scum try to brighten up their posts with smileys before and I wanted to know his responce.

You thinking Zac is any different than me is suspicious at the least.

 

[Xivii]

@Zac- I'm pretty sure I mentioned before that I agreed with Vander's case.

 

[vanderzant]

Before I respond to everything going on toDay, let me just clarify: I'm NOT clearing people solely off meta. It is just an early assumption. If I see something I don't like, I'll hop on it, and off of meta. But I guess I should elaborate:

In the beginning of Sonic (he was town, btw), Zac didn't really do much. He kinda hung out in the back chilling. Come late D2 and throughout the rest of the game, he was crazy contributing, actually playing pro town. I'd just prefer NOT going for the Zac lynch toDay. I'm all for the "dead weight is dead" idea, but I want to give Zac just another Day.

Why couldn't zac do the exact same thing as scum? Do you know his scum meta? If so how is it different from his play so far?

Also, your only scummy read was that Rajam is dead weight? Do you not have ANY other scum suspicions?

 

[vanderzant]

@MK: I think you're town so I want your thoughts on Xsyven. Who else do you find scummy besides Gord?

Also UTD, Sir B, J why aren't you voting anyone? Who do you think is scum?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I may not be able to post for the rest of tonight, I play i just played in 2 other mafia games but I suddenly need to go. Will give more input probably late tonight like 1 or 2 AM PST.

 

[M.K]

@MK: I think you're town so I want your thoughts on Xsyven. Who else do you find scummy besides Gord?

Also UTD, Sir B, J why aren't you voting anyone? Who do you think is scum?

I don't much care for him, at this point. There is a group of people here who are throwing around assumptions, generalizations, and meta analysis as complete fact. It's annoying, and it doesn't work. However, to me, Xysven is only slightly better than people like Gord, Zac, and Dastrn, because he seems to take the arguments against him more seriously and put more thought into the posts instead of reiterating the same crap.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

My bad. My brother dragged me to a volleyball game.

@Van

I didn't consider the possibility of Zac doing the exact same thing as scum. I don't have a scum meta on him. You're right, I'll admit.

I pinned my thoughts on Rajam as actively lurking. And I ESPECIALLY thought that after I saw him reading the other Mafia game, when he obviously had enough time to catch up here like he promised, when in the end, it took him 15.5 hours to read 120 posts. I'm not gonna jump on this or heavily pursue it, but I'll just keep an eye out for him.

As for people that I find scummy at this point? It's hard, but not impossible, to find scum slips this early in the game. I'm not sure how good I am at it, but here's what I got:

I don't like Dastrn's flip floppiness at the beginning of the Day. It was just bat s*** insane, going from J, to Zen, and a completely random RVS vote on Xysven (when it was clearly past RVS).

And to be honest, at first glance, when I saw you and Xysven's little argument, I didn't think much of it. Until I saw your 255. That made me reconsider the behaviours that I thought you might've been overexaggerating about. And all of your points seem absolutely valid.

I can't really point my finger on anyone else yet, but for right now, I'd manage my scum list as Xysven 75% likely, Dastrn 20% likely, and Rajam 5% likely (yes, I'm still keeping an eye out for him, okay?).

 

[UTDZac]

@Van, I don't feel like voting/pressuring just yet. I've got a bunch of college projects I'm working on. I don't have the time I want to apply pressure, review its accuracy, and post response questions. I will get to this soon, as projects are clearing up around the weekend.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

So that I seem like a town player:

So you "seem" like a town player? I don't get it. Why did you say this?

Questions to UTD - What do you think of Vander? And if Gordito was lynched this instant and flipped town, who do you think we should go after?

@Edreeses: Though I wasn't in DBZ Mafia, I heard that Cello won that game as an independent role (or sibling or something) because not only did he catch scum, but his independent play was EXACTLY the same as his Town play.

So by essentially becoming town's strongest player, he ensured he wouldn't ever be lynched.

I agree..I guess it could go either way as well, so lets try to drop it. The discussion of what makes good indy play isn't going to get us much anywhere right now.

Unvote; Vote: Xsyven lol.

What was this vote for? Can't find an explanation. A vote without a reason? Am I the only one who caught this? If it's for Xysven's reasoning please post your reason for voting for people, just voting with no reason makes me think you aren't town and looks like bandwagoning.

Before I respond to everything going on toDay, let me just clarify: I'm NOT clearing people solely off meta. It is just an early assumption. If I see something I don't like, I'll hop on it, and off of meta. But I guess I should elaborate:

In the beginning of Sonic (he was town, btw), Zac didn't really do much. He kinda hung out in the back chilling. Come late D2 and throughout the rest of the game, he was crazy contributing, actually playing pro town. I'd just prefer NOT going for the Zac lynch toDay. I'm all for the "dead weight is dead" idea, but I want to give Zac just another Day.

I agree with Meta Kirby that you are in too much of a hurry to protect another player. I think one more town way to handle this would have been to FoS or verbally prod Zac, tell him you realize that usually meta wise he's like this, but tell him to step up his play. Bad early game behavior in past games even though he was town in that one doesn't excuse bad behavior this game, and you seem a bit too quick to forgive him.

Also, you said you don't clear people based off only meta. But then in another paragraph you said you want to give him another Day. While you didn't clear him completely, you cleared him for the Day, as if we can ignore him for the Day. Maybe I'm miscontruing this but this is the impression I got based off what you said, and I don't really like it. I understand that Zac plays like this, but I prefer you only use the meta to solidify an already town stance on his words. This is what I mean by relying solely on meta to clear - you didn't look at his play, decide he's acting town and further forgive his slow contributions off meta. You looked at the meta first and forgave his play no matter what the play was, and these are two different things.

It's okay though. I can simply ask you to elaborate on UTD - ignoring meta, what do you think of his actual play this game - his contributions and his words?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@EP

Ignoring meta, his play's been laughable.

I guess I can see where you're coming from, EP. I just personally think there are much better plays for the Day. If NOTHING else comes up, and if Zac keeps this up, then I guess I'd understand town lynching him. But... there's still time during the Day.

I don't want to just ignore him for the Day. I'm just saying, now, that we shouldn't focus as much as we are on him, because there are more important things, like scum hunting, rather than dumb hunting. I just don't see anything from Zac as SCUM, per se.

 

[M.K]

Lord have mercy.
I can't even begin to explain why I don't like that.

HEY VANDERZANT! *waves arms and flails*

Hold hands?

 

[UTDZac]

So you "seem" like a town player? I don't get it. Why did you say this?

Questions to UTD - What do you think of Vander? And if Gordito was lynched this instant and flipped town, who do you think we should go after?

I think Van's play today is excellent. He's asking plenty of questions, staying active thus far, and bringing up arguments with some of the other players. I've read through his arguments and I didn't see anything fishy about them (which I stated a while back in an earlier post).

As per your second question, I'd pick you... reasons below:

Unvote; Vote: Xsyven lol.

What was this vote for? Can't find an explanation. A vote without a reason? Am I the only one who caught this? If it's for Xysven's reasoning please post your reason for voting for people, just voting with no reason makes me think you aren't town and looks like bandwagoning.

Did you really just miss these (below)? They were only a page back...

Zen, what's the reasoning for jumping on Xys wagon? You kinda just came in, voted, then moved on to a different topic without really saying anything about the cases brought up against Xys.

Also I would like to see Zen answer UTD's question as to why you just voted Xsyven with no explanation.

@Zac- I'm pretty sure I mentioned before that I agreed with Vander's case.

He mentioned it a good while ago:

Vander I agree with your case on Dastrn and Xsy.

Guess I'll take back what I said about not applying pressure xD. I'll just post-pone my projects til after the weekend. I'd much rather play mafia + FFXIV.

Vote: Edreeses

 

[Xivii]

Wow good stuff Zac. I wouldn't have even thought anything about ES overlooking those posts.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I guess I did miss it. I'll admit its a pretty glaring mistake on my part. I have no reason why I missed it, I don't really know myself how I overlooked those posts.

@Zen If you think Zac's post is good stuff, can you explain to me why you'd feel I'm more likely to be scum for overlooking those posts?

Also Gordito, fair enough . This explanation makes a lot more sense than what you originally had said about Zac:

I don't want to just ignore him for the Day. I'm just saying, now, that we shouldn't focus as much as we are on him, because there are more important things, like scum hunting, rather than dumb hunting. I just don't see anything from Zac as SCUM, per se.

 

[vanderzant]

My bad. My brother dragged me to a volleyball game.

@Van

I didn't consider the possibility of Zac doing the exact same thing as scum. I don't have a scum meta on him. You're right, I'll admit.

I pinned my thoughts on Rajam as actively lurking. And I ESPECIALLY thought that after I saw him reading the other Mafia game, when he obviously had enough time to catch up here like he promised, when in the end, it took him 15.5 hours to read 120 posts. I'm not gonna jump on this or heavily pursue it, but I'll just keep an eye out for him.

As for people that I find scummy at this point? It's hard, but not impossible, to find scum slips this early in the game. I'm not sure how good I am at it, but here's what I got:

I don't like Dastrn's flip floppiness at the beginning of the Day. It was just bat s*** insane, going from J, to Zen, and a completely random RVS vote on Xysven (when it was clearly past RVS).

And to be honest, at first glance, when I saw you and Xysven's little argument, I didn't think much of it. Until I saw your 255. That made me reconsider the behaviours that I thought you might've been overexaggerating about. And all of your points seem absolutely valid.

I can't really point my finger on anyone else yet, but for right now, I'd manage my scum list as Xysven 75% likely, Dastrn 20% likely, and Rajam 5% likely (yes, I'm still keeping an eye out for him, okay?).

Ok good. I also agree with your reasoning about Zac not doing anything scummy (it's just that he hadn't done... much) which you said here:

I don't want to just ignore him for the Day. I'm just saying, now, that we shouldn't focus as much as we are on him, because there are more important things, like scum hunting, rather than dumb hunting. I just don't see anything from Zac as SCUM, per se.

It's just that you decided to have a town read based on meta (as opposed to a null read based on lack of information) which rubbed me the wrong way. Zac definitely isn't a lynch in my opinion, but at the time I saw him as decent vig bait if one exists (along with a bunch of others).

We should get this Xsyven wagon rolling too btw.

@Van, I don't feel like voting/pressuring just yet. I've got a bunch of college projects I'm working on. I don't have the time I want to apply pressure, review its accuracy, and post response questions. I will get to this soon, as projects are clearing up around the weekend.

That's fine deal with your RL stuff. There is still at least 5 days left (maybe more?).

Lord have mercy.
I can't even begin to explain why I don't like that.

HEY VANDERZANT! *waves arms and flails*

Hold hands?

Oh definitely. Thinking about it, I'm about 90% sure you wouldn't of pulled this stunt on your own, and I'm also about 90% sure OS wouldn't give scum such an INCREDIBLY broken safe claim such as yours. Else he's a **** terrible game designer, and I can just rage at him in post game. And riding a flavour/mechanic claim to victory isn't what mafia is all about. So nah, I just have to believe it's legit.

You seem pretty set on Gord being dumb/scum right? Even if he's contradicting himself ALOT, I can't help but feel his posts are genuine (or I can see the intentions underlying his posts). It's mad hard for scum to consistently fluff out what he's doing if they're under such constant scrutiny. As long as he's hops on the Xsyven wagon I'll be fine with him (and even more so if Xsyven flips scum) for another day at least. I don't want his flip toDay either because so many people have been grilling him (for decent reasons) that if he flipped townie we would be pretty stuck in Day 2 (like Kirbyyoshi's Day 1 lynch in dgames).

Also @Zen stop with the one liners. You were really observant earlier on, but now you're making me do a double take and second guess myself

 

[Xivii]

@ES because you're trying to bring more attention to something that had already been addressed. And even if it wasn't addressed, there wouldn't have been a reason for you saying "am I the only one that caught this?" in the first place, you could have simply pointed it out. Your whole post was redundant like you were just trying make it more than it is.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I don't see the scumminess and whatnot from Edrees saying the "am I the only one that caught this?" thing. I see it as arrogance, yes, but I can see him legitimately skimming over the three posts Zac mentioned, cuz the only one that I recall seeing is the one from Zen, which then directed me to Zac's post.

Oh, and I see no reason not to

Vote: Xysven

at this point.

@Xysven

Two scum picks, and why?

 

[Overswarm]

Vote Count:
Xsyven (4) - Vanderzant, X1-12, Zen, GorditoBoy69,
Dastrn (1) - Xsyven
UTD Zac (1)- Dastrn
GorditoBoy69 (1)- EdreesesPieces
EdreesesPieces (1) - UTDZac,

Not Voting:
Meta-Kirby, J, Rajam, Sir Bedevere

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Wednesday, Oct. 6th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

 

[Xsyven]

Guys, I'm gonna be pretty busy the next few days. My job is ending in two weeks, so I'm just... ugh, I hate this.

OS, this is me opting for a replacement.

I should have seen this coming. =/ In fact, I did, but I signed up for this game anyway. I always forget how much harder it is to keep up with games in DG than in the private rooms.

My final words: Give the new guy a chance-- I was simply stating what was on my mind by guessing about MS being an indie, and I always check and pressure the loud guys (Vanderzant) before I let them kick ***-- I think he's doing good, I just wanted to gage a reaction. So yeah, give the new guy a chance, I think he'll be able to help out the town a lot.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

He'll need to do a whole lot of catching up...

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

EBWOP:

By catching up, I meant getting people off of the playerslot's case (idk how i typed caught up ).

 

[Overswarm]

Replacement for Xsyven has been noted. I'll look for one.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Guys, I'm gonna be pretty busy the next few days. My job is ending in two weeks, so I'm just... ugh, I hate this.

OS, this is me opting for a replacement.

I should have seen this coming. =/ In fact, I did, but I signed up for this game anyway. I always forget how much harder it is to keep up with games in DG than in the private rooms.

My final words: Give the new guy a chance-- I was simply stating what was on my mind by guessing about MS being an indie, and I always check and pressure the loud guys (Vanderzant) before I let them kick ***-- I think he's doing good, I just wanted to gage a reaction. So yeah, give the new guy a chance, I think he'll be able to help out the town a lot.

Do you even know who the new guy is? You seem pretty keen on protecting the new guy. Yeah I'll give the new guy a chance, but until you are replaced don't think you can get out of this one by replacing out.

Unvote
Vote: Xsyven

 

[M.K]

I wish I could vote Xsyven. I'm very glad you opted for a replacement, and I'm happy that you are giving us this type of notice, but your wording is like "Welp, I tried.....NEXT" and that's kinda scummy to me.

Float : XSYVEN

 

[Xivii]

ES what are you talking about? Why wouldn't Xsyven defend his own character spot?? Why are you voting for him now when you were just in disagreement with Vand's case?

 

[Xivii]

EP* heh

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Can you quote me where I was in disagreement with Vand's case? I was never in disagreement.