I got the indy vibe more than the scum vibe simply because I see (and play) a distinction between survival (#1 goal for indy, #2 goal for scum) and (fake)scumhunting (#1 goal for scum, not a goal for indy). If Indy scum hunt too well, they risk being night killed. I almost won my recent indy game in the broom when we got down to 4 players, and i would have had it if I hadn't painted myself into a bit of a corner with a really elaborate claim that x7 didn't buy, which led to M3D forcing me to agree to something that would get me night killed and win the game for town....anyways, I did well in that game by asking lots of questions, getting good scumhunting conversations going, but never leading the charge until D3 when it was time for my gambit.
All of that to say, I think scumhunting is anti-indy. Survival in both day and night phases is by far the most important goal for indy. Which means you have to appear harmless to town and worthless to scum. MK's claim says to town "i'm harmless and helpless" and it says to scum "i can't hurt you. leave me be".
Make sense?
Perfect sense. Although I'd argue that lynching scum (and thus scumhunting) is pro-indy. Because indys want to appear to be town, and town should be scum hunting, so it makes sense that lynching scum is working towards their win-con.
I still don't think you should of been so clear cut in your accusations @MK, if you are town. Every argument you have made for him being an indy makes just as much sense for him being mafia.
A Townie really shouldn't be able to make that distinction on their own, which is why I'm suspicious of both you and Xsyven.
I've just had a REALLY bad history of vocal townies having a 'plan' day 1, and then ****ing everyone over later in the game. You don't have a plan, because you don't know anything. No one except scum does.
I just don't want to see it happen again.
Cool story. Though I hope you realised that when I said "plan" I meant, "my answer will be clear after my next few posts."
I asked you a question, and you didn't answer it-- why can't you answer a question from me before Dastrn answers your question? If Dastern posted after you, you could see how your reply molded his answer, and you'd probably get a relatively similar read. You can't deny questions because all YOUR questions haven't been answered yet. It's like saying "you guys aren't allowed to question me, I post a lot."
If I had answered your question before hand, it would directly influence Dastrn's response to my own. If I'd said "Dastrn is my most suspicious active player" then he might of changed his response.
Also get the **** out of here with that "stop acting like you're superior because you post alot, everyone else can't be as active as you" bull ****.
Stuff like that is NOT indicative of alignment at all and is a terrible approach to scum hunting. It's like calling someone scummy because they're "mean."
Also, a townie saying "that's a ridiculous town posting restriction, I suspect it may be an anti-town role" is called 'scumhunting'. Me suggesting an indie role doesn't make me any more suspicious than people saying they think he's town. Nobody should be considered town until proven otherwise.
I think you're missing the point? You specifically suspected MK to be an "indy" role, when there is almost no reason why he specifically has shown "indy traits" as opposed to plain "scummy."
It's like me saying I think XXX is the Double Voting Day Vig because he is laying low. What separates the "Double Voting Day Vig" from other town power roles at this stage? Not much, unless I have other information.
I think you called MK indy because you KNOW he isn't scum.
The last point was just pointing out that you're almost TOO eager. Not everybody can be as active as you, and you seem to be making problems out of non-problems.
I'm just trying to say, being vocal doesn't make you town.
Cry me a river. Being vocal doesn't make me scum either now does it?
My FoS mirrors your FoS to me, but come on. These are legit reasons for people to be suspicious. To deny that makes you just look overly defensive.
Legit reasons? Go back and directly answer the questions I asked in my #193. Until then I don't think your reasons for being suspicious @ me are reasonable at all.
It's OMGUS by the definition. Instead of refuting my arguments, you've created your own "reasons" to find me suspicious.
If you were town you probably would of tried to show me why I'm wrong, and why your actions are in town's best interest, but instead you've called me scummy for "being too vocal" and "being afraid to tread on someones foot" and "telling others to get active."
Unvote: Dastrn
Vote: Xsyven
To be frank, I like how Dastrn is at least looking at other people, and didn't try to call me scum for no other reason then that I did the same to him. But that might be experience showing?
@Van, no one as of yet, though I have a pile of town reads and a few people I'm keeping an eye on (you all know 1 from either group). Self-meta is kinda shaky (especially when I've only been in 2 full games), but I'm generally pretty slow in the first Day or 2. Just keep asking me (specific) questions and I'll keep contributing, otherwise I'll contribute when I feel I have something worth contributing. Once we get some information (flips) I start posting more (both MXC and Sonic Mafia are examples of this).
Ok I understand it's probably a play style thing, but it's still important to make strong connections on Day 1, or else later down the track Town will be a lot weaker as a result.
Liking Dastrn a bit more. Not being so thick headed, and actually playing a town game.
The little carfuffle (I freakin love that word!) between Vand and Xysven, it doesn't bother me too much. It just looks like a power struggle. Vand started strong and Xysven doesn't enjoy it. Vand doesn't like that he doesnt like it. They'll both get over it eventually, if they haven't already.
J, I'm liking his activity. And it's actually not bad stuff. Keep up the good work.
I lol'd at Float, MK
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@Dastrn (I believe)
X1 is playing to his town meta, from what I've seen. He's not the play.
Zac, my man. Those Sonic days...
@Everyone
Zac's a very passive player in the beginning. Don't let his I-don't-give-a-f*** attitude phase you. He's not bad. And actually scum hunts later in the Days. So he's another one to keep around.
If I had to point my finger and call someone scum, it'd be Rajam. Dead weight is dead. And he's definitely here.
Gord this post bugs me a bit. You're basically saying "these people are posting so they're probably all town" but "these people are inactive so they're probably scum."
I'd like to see you show more depth in your posts, because that was quite shallow to say the least.
So that I seem like a town player:
@Van, now that J and Gordito have both become "more active" do you consider them more likely to be town? Or do you think feel their "becoming active" posts are scummy, ie "Hey guys i'm actives o don't look at me, look at these guys!"
Uh I probably don't think either of those things. Both players have alright activity, but I haven't seen anything particularly townie or scummy from either then them. Ye olde "dumb or scum" argument summarises it in a way. All I want is to see them keep up this participation into Day 2 and beyond, and if they do that we should be able to figure them out better (with flips and such).
I really think either Xsyven or Dastrn is scum (maybe both) so I think lynching either would be good.
I'm happy to keep waiting until everyone's given an input. Not many people have commented on my 'case' against Xsy/Das so I'd like to see if people agree/disagree and why.
I feel like Zac, J, X1, Rajam, Sir Bed, Edrees (actually most of the cast) are just waiting for some flips to happen, which bugs me a little. Enough has happened for these players to give some detailed thoughts on who they want to lynch toDay, instead of just asking spontaneous questions, that none of them really follow up upon.
I seriously think I could pick out at least 20 questions from the past few pages and say "why did you want to know the answer to that question?" and they'd reply "dunno, I just thought I should post something??"
