Sigh.
I understand what everyone is saying about me backing off. I thought I was communicating clearly that my vote was about 80% serious. With that said, i'm aware that we were in JVS when I made that post, and that it was too early to make serious votes, unless they were pseudo-serious and based on meta. I almost ALWAYS make a pseudo-serious vote early in JVS to get things going. It's just what I do. I didn't expect anyone to not understand that. I felt diplomatically addressing the concern and moving on to a FOS was a fair way of demonstrating that I understood the concept and that others understood my pressure.
That's fine and all. I'm all for using your vote to pressure people. Even if you don't think they should be lynched, making them think that is an important tool.
It's that you picked J... of all people, which makes me a bit suspect.
With all of that said, no, I'm not afraid of a little pressure. The quickness with which people jump to scumreads in games like this is always a little surprising to me, but I suppose that's the whole point of mafia, right?
In Oddworld mafia, the bandwagon was on J d1 for cruising, and I got a scum read on Joanbud, and so I led the discussion off of J and onto a much better lynch candidate, and we nailed scum D1. kudos to me. The reason I backed off J and FOS'ed Zen is because I will always vote for active scummy behavior before I vote for passive anti-town behavior. Scan me in Oddworld if you think I'm lying.
The point of JVS is to get reactions and analyze. I got a rise out of Zen for my behavior, and analyzing his response to me, and (more importantly) his response to the MK situation made me feel like something's not right with him. Hence, my FOS.
I'm not uncomfortable with playing the JVS differently than is standard practice. I think I referenced this before, but Swiss fakeclaimed N0 Cop in Oddworld, claimed he got a guilty read on me, and that whole discussion cleared me as town in most people's eyes, and he admitted he was just lying to see how I'd react. That play surprised me, since it was so bold, and I saw how forgivable a quick trick or two can be in JVS. I learned from that and planned to do something unorthodox in my next game (this one) to try to get information.
The information I'm getting is that something is shady with Zen for being so willing to explore bringing down a punishment on town, combined with his reactions to my swings so far.
vote: zen
That's cool. If you think Zen is scum you should definitely pursue it.
@MK - You are indie. Stop trying to sound as harmless to both sides as possible. You're lying about your "i can't hurt anyone and it makes me sad" bit.
Do you believe MK is telling the truth about his role? Or do you think he's a different kind of indy, but is trying a gambit that seemingly makes town want to lynch him?
@ Edreeses I hope we are on the same faction often in mafia games. I like your style. [/asskiss]
@UTDZac you've been pretty quiet. What are your thoughts on MK's claim and his general mood about his claim? Believable to you?
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