Video Critique Thread

WANNABEkLuTz · Mar 1, 2009

AsianFlava_Tyser · Mar 2, 2009

@ Kami:
First thing I saw that blew my mind was that you didnt shield a single thing that Fox dished out.
Literally every single move he did besides lasers hit you.
You should tell your friend to start grabbing also.
I wasnt paying too much attention to him but I think he didnt grab you a single time in the entire match.
Id consider moving around more.
Half the time you'd stand in one spot for like 10 seconds throwing moves and for some reason the Fox player would run into it.
Standing still for such an amount of time is asking to get hit from someone whose experienced and patient.
If you know he's going to OverB onto the stage from the ledge then just sit in your shield and anticipate it.
He did that constantly and hit you every time besides the last stock where you got him with a non spaced Utilt.
There is more things that I wasnt happy about but it was more your own style and I dont feel like criticizing it because its what makes you unique.
Thanks for posting the video.

@ Wannabee:
I take it your very new to the game.
Work on your Lcanceling because you messed up every now and then.
There was a match (actually several) where you didnt wavedash at all and ate every move that the other guy threw at you (it was against Evo's Falco, forgot which match).
Shield lasers and UpB Falcos.
Missle cancel.
Lolz, dash attack spams.
On multiple occasions you'd run from one end of the level to the other side and straight up dash attack.
Stop doing it.
Dont rely on dash attack because it blows when its obvious.
Wavedash as your main form of movement.
Sweetspot the ledge.
Learn how to DI.
Learn which way to DI certain stuff (after youve learned how to DI).
Shield things.
Dont roll, not even in a sticky situation.
Basically, read one of the Samus guides and learn all the basics of competitive Melee and then perfect all that stuff.

Hope that helped you fellas out a little bit.
I usually tell people things in a not as detailed way as most people on the Samus Boards so if this post seemed worthless to you Im sure coreygames will show up and tell you every flaw in your game that will help you a lot better.
Im going to bed now, peace.

Geist · Mar 2, 2009

Wow, a sudden outburst of new faces. :]
I'll get to critiquing these as soon as I can get to a computer I can watch videos with.

AsianFlava_Tyser · Mar 2, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR5SZ2VJOds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDpevbwaelk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCmiKoy225Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy7txjaDPVg

New vids of me fighting against Echo's Peach.
I need as many tips as possible since I dunno how to fight against a good Peach player.
I also realize that I didnt UpB enough and I Daird ALL DAY LONG which I punched myself in the gut about.
Give it to me hard because I need a lot of work.

Yes, this is the same Echo who Darkrain once said was the best Samus player in the Midwest.
Darkrain said it therefore it had to be true.

Kami-V · Mar 2, 2009

AsianFlava_Tyser said:
@ Kami:
First thing I saw that blew my mind was that you didnt shield a single thing that Fox dished out.
Literally every single move he did besides lasers hit you.
You should tell your friend to start grabbing also.
I wasnt paying too much attention to him but I think he didnt grab you a single time in the entire match.
Id consider moving around more.
Half the time you'd stand in one spot for like 10 seconds throwing moves and for some reason the Fox player would run into it.
Standing still for such an amount of time is asking to get hit from someone whose experienced and patient.
If you know he's going to OverB onto the stage from the ledge then just sit in your shield and anticipate it.
He did that constantly and hit you every time besides the last stock where you got him with a non spaced Utilt.
There is more things that I wasnt happy about but it was more your own style and I dont feel like criticizing it because its what makes you unique.
Thanks for posting the video.

I've never really had huge troubles with shielding, but I'll look into it.

I don't think moving around constantly is necessary... at all. I think you should move with purpose, and sometimes just standing there isn't that bad of an option. Thats not to say moving around a lot is bad, but I think it needs to be more than just WD'ing as many times as possible.

I know I missed the shields when he did his OverB, and thats my fault. Not every match is perfect :< I do usually just try and hit spacies in their over b though as opposed to shielding and letting them on. It just seems like a good opportunity to KO, and I often take that opportunity running on the confidence of my reflexes, knowing the consequence of getting hit.

I accept all your criticism, and I hope I'm not trying to come off as trying too hard to justify/rebuttal to every comment, I'm just replying. I'm interested as to what your other things are about my play style.

Corigames · Mar 2, 2009

Kami:
First off, you really shouldn't be trying to use the jab as a quick defensive attack. If you want to throw quick moves like that out, use the ftilt in all its variations. Jabbing is far too punishable when you are using it how you are.
Remember to hit the enemy where they are, and not where they were when you first concieved the idea to start using an attack. If you jump and try to Dair them, then make sure you are still over top of them when the move comes out.
Your spacing on the Utilt was a bit off. You should work on that.
If you approach an enemy from the ground, you don't have to use the dash attack. Try shielding and doing something, CCing into a move, WDing into a move, or anything else to broaden your possiblities.
Good evasion with the SWD.
When you use the grapple, make sure you are at least going to have a chance of grabbing them. If they are too far away, you cannot will it to grab them. A more experience foe would have severely punished you for missing a grab with Samus.
If the tree on Pokemon stadium is up and you are against fox, DO NOT try to fight him near the tree. Infinite shine lock is not fun. Also, there's not much offensively that you gain from it.
If you miss the ledge, don't panic. You still had your grapple that you could have used before considering Up and B'ing, but you should have also not have waited so long to try to use it...
While CCing is a powerful tactic for Samus, you are still taking damage. So even if you are given the option to CC, you should try to shield and react before commiting to CCing. Also, setting up for taking a hit by crouching way ahead of time will only get you punished by getting grabbed or worse.
When you do use your shield, you are putting it up and then dropping it at the same interval (I would say about .8 milleseconds) every time. The Fox, whether he knows it or not, is punishing you by attacking you as soon as you are dropping your shield. Make sure to mix that up!
When you are invincible, make the best of it. Don't spend that time spamming missiles when you could be getting free hits in.
If you are going to jump out off the ledge to edge guard someone, you better make **** sure you hit. Otherwise you are left out there while they are safe and back on the stage. I would propose stearing away from such a situation.
Why did you shoot a charged shot at the wall :/ What a waste.
If fox is hanging on the ledge, he's going to do something (obviously). Don't just stand there and do nothing when he does try to get up.
You need to do something other than a ledgehoopped missile or waveland when getting up from the ledge, you are getting punished for it.

AsianFlava_Tyser · Mar 2, 2009

Only reason I pointed out the standing still part is because everytime you stood there for a long time you just ate a move.
Wavedashing just a touch more to avoid eating a Nair would help your situation a lot better.

Aftermath · Mar 3, 2009

Kami-V said:
I don't think moving around constantly is necessary... at all. I think you should move with purpose, and sometimes just standing there isn't that bad of an option. Thats not to say moving around a lot is bad, but I think it needs to be more than just WD'ing as many times as possible.

...I often take that opportunity running on the confidence of my reflexes, knowing the consequence of getting hit.

Firstly, it's cool that you still play, we should play again at some point in the near future.

Second, I'm pretty sure that first part is directed at people like me, so

Third, your reactions are terrible at this point. Don't know what else to say on this.

Anyway, for actual advice, if you want to stand around, then learn to pivot really well. It will let you stand around, but instead of WDing, you just take a step back and do a ftilt. Better control of spacing over a smaller area, and it's faster than a wd. Pivoting is done by attacking during the turn-around frame of a dash dance. It's a small timing window, but you'll get used to how your thumbs should move for it after a while.

Your edgeguarding was bad as well, I will teach you how to edgeguard fox when we play. One thing you should get in the habit of doing is if you think he's going for the edge with an overB, wd over there and ftilt him.

Kami-V · Mar 3, 2009

Thank you very much for this imput Corey, I find all of this very valuable. I can say right of that the first time I died, and the charge beam at the wall are flat out stupid mistakes. I'm not that bad xD
I also can say that for whatever reason I dash attacked way more than I normally do on the day of that match (especially considering I rarely did it before), though I will definitely make sure I am doing different approaches. The same thing applies for getting up from the ledge.
My shielding... I guess I need to work on it.

James, thanks for your imput as well. We definitely should play! Are you still around in tualatin?
The fast moving thing was not completely directed at you. I guess my comment was a bit stupid, and what I really wanted to direct it at is people who just move for the sake of moving. You're pretty precise with your movements.
Reactions as in my reaction speed? Don't know what to say about that... Some days I just fail? :[
My edgeguarding is hit or miss, I guess. Idk. Sometimes I feel like I do really good and other times I have no idea what I'm doing.

Anyway, thanks again for all the criticism, from everyone.

edit: dropped the quote so my post wasn't so big

Aftermath · Mar 3, 2009

I live in West Portland, Exit 65 off of Highway 26. We should probably do this on AIM, sign in and IM me (Aftermath rar)

NOVA1106 · Mar 3, 2009

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYymFley_h8
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_u3yeAfACQ
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6g38dWkfU
rate my sami plz

Geist · Mar 5, 2009

NOVA1106 said:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYymFley_h8
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_u3yeAfACQ
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6g38dWkfU
rate my sami plz

Vid 1:
Personally, I think you're spending too much time wding back and forth. It's good for bating, but becomes unneccesary and redundant if you use it too much. I barely saw you run or walk with Samus. Her wd is good, but her ground game and spacing relies on positioning. Try to mix your approach up.
You have a good sense of movement though. I noticed you're pretty consistant, and that's just as important.

Try to minimize the time you're just floating in midair. I noticed a lot of times you would full hop and just kind of float there, waiting for your opponent. Utilize the platforms a bit more.
You were trading too many hits or jumping into attacks or just waiting there.

Work on sweetspotting that edge. That's a biggie. You're turning really obvious as soon as you get off the edge.

You need to use ftilt more too.

Vid 2:
You shouldn't roll at all with Samus. It's a terrible way to get around. It's slow, predictable, and doesn't have enough invincibility in it to be safe.
Another thing I'm noticing is that every time you get hit in the air, you attempt a fastfalled dair. You should stop this, or at least try to minimize the times you do it. Peach has ridiculous priority in some of her moves, notably the move Peach was punishing you with - Upsmash.

You did well with screw attacks and your shield in the beginning, but you started doing that thing again where you sort of wait into an attack. I think the best bit of advise I can give you now is to watch your opponent much more than you watch yourself. Always stay mobile and try to stay a step ahead of your opponent.

lol@ 1:13
I don't even know what that was about @ 2:10.

Vid 3:
ouch, FoD is my least favorite stage vs. Peach. She always gains the upper hand with these platforms, she can get around alot quicker than usual on this stage I find. Be extra careful when spacing.

Ack! rolling...
For a much better rolling alternative, WDOoS or spotdodge her moves. (except for peach's dsmash)
and you probably already know this, but it needs to be said... please, never, ever, EVER cc against peach. Please.

You're using utilt in unfavorable situations and are consequently getting punished for it. A lot of the times here you could have replaced it with a tilted ftilt or even an fsmash. Keep your eye open for these opportunities.

Practice your sweetspotting. Probably the most notable mistake you made is dying because you hastily screw attacked on to the stage and got ***** for it.

beware the fthrow. Peach's grab is fast and her fthrow is overpowered, but as long as you keep your spacing, it becomes really difficult for her to grab you.

Try not to randomly whip out an air dodge 10 feet above the ground. Peach just has to walk up to you and Dsmash. If you are going to air dodge, try to reach a nearby platform or edge to grab.

ES Lite · Mar 15, 2009

these vids are from like 3 or 4 months ago, so i'm obviously more smarter and faster and have more tech skill, but whatever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhTrAoB4Vqc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NLPSAl-Hck&feature=related

Corigames · Mar 15, 2009

Holy cow, I completely forgot to watch the videos in this thread. God **** I'm sorry.

I have the day off tomorrow, I'll try to watch them all then. My bad : (

HT F8 · Mar 15, 2009

Me and my friend K_Coast's Sami. I'm... bad. XD Critique. :D

F8;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLfmyFBlY8
I get raaaaaaped by CF. Halp.

I'll have matches vs. Falco and possibly Falcon up after tmrw. :D

K_Coast;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLWeZq3I2cY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU9c7hUJw0Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnPo3r5GiF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i_v7Gqvo60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g8veEDDQN8

P.S... Ignore the commentary, we're ********. ^_^;

Corigames · Mar 16, 2009

Ok, here's the plan. I'm going to a hospital to visit my grandma. When I Get back, I will do these videos.

Do them hard. And if I miss any... sorry? Point it out? Something? I don't know...

ES Lite · Mar 16, 2009

erm, okay thanks for the update?
make sure you guys check out my vids

AsianFlava_Tyser · Mar 16, 2009

Ill throw my 2 cents on the vids later on if Corey hasnt already gone through them.

Corigames · Mar 16, 2009

No, I have yet to. On the way to the hospital we got T-boned by some lady who thought it would be a great idea to turn left on a red light into on-coming traffic. So it greatly set-back our time and everything. I''m still going to try to watch all the videos though.

Corigames · Mar 17, 2009

NOVA:
Video 1-
At the very beginning, you let Yoshi slip by you in the air and did a forward air in the wrong direction. You shouldn't do either.
While wavedashing is fun, in a fight you should use it for spacing more than dash dancing. Dash dance to dash dance and wavedash to wave dash. Otherwise, you are just going to mess up your spacing instead, like you did.
If you are going to use your shield so much, try using the Up B out of shield technique. Otherwise, you are going to get punished for over using it.
Charging up a smash attack in hopes of them hitting it is not a great idea. It makes you obvious and easy to dodge.
Instead of charging up your blast or doing standing missiles, you should focus more on intercepting Yoshi.
Nice Bair.
If you are trying to get down through a platform, you don't have to jump. You can fall through an Nair (fairly safe) or any number of other things.
If Yoshi starts charging a Fsmash on the edge, don't do a get-up that will lead to you getting hit.
That Yoshi is using his double jump excessively. Make use of that info to punish him and claim an easy stock.
You got hit multiple times by the same Down B mindgames. If there is a clearing between platforms he wants to get through, his Down B will most likely get him there. Watch for it.
When recovering from above, you seem to have an affinity toward the left. Mix it up sometimes and go to the right.
You are attacking, sometimes, where Yoshi WAS instead of where he IS. Make sure your timing is up with where the game is currently instead of the moment when you thought of using the move.
Wasted charge blast.
If you are going to waveland platforms to gain mobility, use it for something, not just to do it.
Sweetspots help with not getting Fsmashed.
Single platform missile cancels? You are only doing half the potential spam you could be doing : D

Video 2-
Bob-omb? That early? You should have caught that too >_>
Don't waste the blast.
Falling Ftilt will not beat something right below you.
You Up B'ed right into her arms, you should avoid that.
You are letting her call you out on everything. You just keep charging in and getting countered. At some point you have to ask, "What am I doing wrong?" and reevaluate yourself. Go back to what was working with spamming and shielding.
And suicides don't help.
Charging up while someone is approaching you is a BAD thing. A very very bad thing.
More wasted plasma.
Why are you shooting the charge blasts out into nothing? It's not even like you are predicting her to go there, it would be very hard for her to even TRY to hit it.
And why jump straight into turnips?
Stop wasting all your blasts. Every time you fire off into nothing you are throwing away a %25 damage on her, the 2 or so seconds it took to charge it up, and possibly a stock off her!
Also, if you are going to focus on charging up more than you are on approaching, following up, edgeguarding, etc., at least let it count for something.
That was probably the most wasted batch of charge blasts I've ever seen.

Video 3-
Rolling is a big no no. Don't roll, especially 3 times in a row. The time it takes and the easy of punishing it is too great to give it a use, let alone spammable one.
You are using melee moves too far away and projectiles too close. I think you need to get more comfortable with Samus' spacing when on smaller stages like this one.
You should never leave yourself open next to Peach. On top of that grab she has the down smash and up smash at her disposal. You do not want to air dodge on top of peach or do anything else like that.
You either need to work on your sweetspotting, or get a better strategy than Up B'ing onto the stage in front of your enemy. You are constantly getting punished for it.
It looks like you keep trying the same thing over and over again and he uses the same thing against you to stop you every time. You try to WD back and Fsmash, he blacks and then comes in and Dsmashes you. You try to spam missiles, he float cancels and comes in with aerials to stop you. You shield turtle and he grabs and forward throws you. You need to mix things up and do something things new in the middle of a match.

I like your stage mobility, but you need a lot of improvement. 5/10

Lite:
Video 1-
Wow, you are moving WAYYY too slow and clunky. You are immediately falling behind and allowing yourself to be not only out teched but out thought. You need to immediately go on D if you are getting pressured like that.
You can't just run in and do nothing. If you are going to approach, then at least do an attack, dodge, shield, or anything else short of standing still.
Don't let yourself be overwhelmed by Fox's speed. Drop bombs cosntantly, tilt just in case, but don't just allow yourself to get rushed.
Jumping off the stage to guard it is not always a great tactic. Use those Utilts.
Rolling out of the charging animation to avoid getting hit is one of the most predictable things to catch on a scrub. If someone is coming at you, just cancel it with R and do somethign different. Rolling to or away is just to easy to punish.
Make sure you understand the spacing for every character's attack get-up. If you don't, it will make your follow-up game very difficult and full of mistakes.
also, missiles on the recovery shouldn't be used every time, then it just gets predictable.
If Fox is that close to the stage and at that weird angle, I doubt he would go for the edge. Don't commit completely to one type of guard and leave everything else open.
WD back + attack is cool, but don't do it across the whole stage. PRedicatablility and blah blah blah. Do soemthign else if that's not working, like somethign as simple as WD back + WD forawrd + attack.
Bad charge blasts are baaaaad. If a normal character can avoid it, Fox can also reflect it.
WHY DID YOU HELP HIM RECOVER??!?!?!?! You would ahve won that match right then had you just edgeguarded him that second time. What a disaster.

Video 2-
If something isn't working, don't continue to do it. If CCing and droping bombs ends you with 65% and him at 7, then rethink what you need to do.
Trying to grab from that far away was just asking for the up smash.
I have no idea what you are trying to do. you run in, do an attack so far away from him it's bound to miss, then run away. Then you repeat that about 3-4 more times.
Then Randal wins one stock.
Easy call is easy to call. Fox off the stage can still use the shine as a reflector. That's, actually, probably his only option in that situation.
You would have gotten him had you gone for the edgehog instead of trying to get back on the stage after knocking him off. Always remember that that's how edges work in this game.
Solid Fsmash
He's now killed himself twice. Make use of it.
If you don't make a connection on a hit, don't keep doing it over and over until it works. Hitting once doesn't make up for failing 100 times.

F8:
OH GOD THE VIDEO QUALITY OF THAT! HUUUUUUUUURK!

Continuing...

SWEET BABY TELEVISED JESUS F'ING HOLY DRUNKEN CHRIST, they are all like that. Maybe I'll get back to yours >_> Between the blurry screen, bad frame rate, and clicking controlelrs, it's hard to focus on the fight.

HT F8 · Mar 17, 2009

coreygames said:
F8:
OH GOD THE VIDEO QUALITY OF THAT! HUUUUUUUUURK!

Continuing...

SWEET BABY TELEVISED JESUS F'ING HOLY DRUNKEN CHRIST, they are all like that. Maybe I'll get back to yours >_> Between the blurry screen, bad frame rate, and clicking controlelrs, it's hard to focus on the fight.

LMFAO.

Hey it's bad but it's watchable! T_T

You could always hit the High Quality button... but that's like watching sh.it in high quality. >_>

Also, volume down will help with the clicking. >_<

Geist · Mar 17, 2009

F8 iS RiPPiN said:
Me and my friend K_Coast's Sami. I'm... bad. XD Critique. :D

F8;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLfmyFBlY8
I get raaaaaaped by CF. Halp.
I'll have matches vs. Falco and possibly Falcon up after tmrw. :D

K_Coast;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLWeZq3I2cY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU9c7hUJw0Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnPo3r5GiF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i_v7Gqvo60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g8veEDDQN8

P.S... Ignore the commentary, we're ********. ^_^;

LOL those were some ridiculous johns.
Those vids were frustrating to watch lol. It's so hard to concentrate D:
1:15 scared the p*ss out of me in the first vid. >:[ I had the volume up and everything.

I can still pull out some quick advice though.
vs. Falcon
The matchup: I see that falcon is aggressive, but he's clumsy and inacurate at times. Still, try not to let him rush you down. Throw out tilts to keep him at bay, they can disrupt his timing, outrange him, and allow you to control the flow of the match, among other things. He doesn't seem to be that combo oriented, which is a break for you. Reguardless, you should be DIing up and away from his uairs. In alot of those hits, there was either no DI or you DId away, which is basically just another word for "Horray for knees" If you DI with a slightly upwards trajectory, you should be able to
A) place yourself out of reach
B) be able to jump/relaliate out of hitstun
C) get kneed anyways because falcon is like that.
On the ground, you want to try as hard as you can to press the advantage. Keep his grabs away from you with tilts and shut down his arial game with wding out of shield.

Now critique of your samus: I noticed you have alot of moments of hesitation, where you either panic and freeze, fire the wrong way or kind of just... lumber. Standing there just gives your oppoonent time to size you up, and makes you a standing target. As we all know, moving targets are much harder to hit, so you should minimize the time you're standing still, obviously.
Sweetspotting the ledge is also a big problem. There were at least 3 instances where you either could have sweetspotted, or would have survived if you screw attacked - and ironically would have resulted in a sweetspot. It's great fun hitting someone with the tip of a screw attack, but you know you might be getting a tad bit excessive with it when your opponent takes a baby step back, waits there, has a cup of tea, and then begins to charge up an fsmash. It's almost as embarrasing as your opponent turning around before you roll behind them. (I'm not saying you did that, I'm just saying that's embarrasing as hell.)
SDing doesn't help either ;P

Who's K Coast? He needs to UpB out of shield more.

Lite. said:
these vids are from like 3 or 4 months ago, so i'm obviously more smarter and faster and have more tech skill, but whatever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhTrAoB4Vqc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NLPSAl-Hck&feature=related

lol no johns
for this matchup - which I hate - you have to mostly concentrate on not letting fox do... well just about anything. Which is stupid and impossible and should not be attemted, because it'll just make him laser you. Which is something else you want to avoid.
Fox is a special character. He can counter pick basically everyone but himself, he can do well on any stage, and do exceptional on others, he's faster, stronger, has better combos, and a better projectile. He's fox, basically.
So with that, I'd like to start by saying, aggression is NOT what you want here, neither is ccing his shine. Don't do that, please. If you DI away, it makes it annoying for him to hit you with another, instead of lining him up perfectly for another shine or grab when you just crouch there. One thing that I know for a fact works against fox really nice, is dsmash, jabs, and ftilt. Well I guess that's three things, but they all work. Punching out randomly puts a smile on my face when he messes up and does something stupid, like stands there in shock. Then you proceed to dsmash, retreat with ftilt, and rinse and repeat, mostly. Samus doesn't really have an advantage over fox in the air, that would be like saying Marth doesn't look like a girl in the right light. Nair can work, but you'd rather not use it unless you need to. Fair has great priority, but you can't approach with it at all. Diar is an uair/upsmash target, and really doesn't work unless you're ihavespaceballs. It's much safer to DI away from fox rather than drop with a dair every time you're over him.

As for your Samus, you have a good grasp of basics, but you've yet to put them into work. It's one thing using techniques, it's another using them properly. Work on your DI, that seems like a big issue here. Get good habits down early, because they're hell to relearn when you play more, and then realize you've been doing it wrong the whole time.
Practice transitions between moves. You don't have a pace or flow to follow, and I found your movement a tad predictable and slow.

ES Lite · Mar 17, 2009

Um ok thanks for looking at my videos.
I know how you said im too aggressive, I fixed that long ago. I ftilt when i have the chance to and space my attacks more better.
I know how to edge-guard fox now, so don't worry about that.
My DI is waaaay more better, ever since that date, my DI has grown better day by day.
I have a new approach.
I also choose moves that have more priority in certain situations.
Really, the only thing i need to work on is timing, mindgames, and recovery (which i'm really good at doing with my grapple, but when i dont have it, I cant sweetspot at times.)

Geist · Mar 17, 2009

Is it true that you're 12?
Good sh*t

Anyways, it looks like you have good competition, and that's the fastest way to get better. I wish I had some. D:

ES Lite · Mar 17, 2009

blowtoes said:
Is it true that you're 12?
Good sh*t

Anyways, it looks like you have good competition, and that's the fastest way to get better. I wish I had some. D:

Yeah I'm 12.
Just go to a lot of tournaments, theres bound to be some high ranked pro there that you can play, and there should be some other good players around your area. Trust me, after going to a tournaments, and playing match after match, your skill level will rise sky rocket.

HT F8 · Mar 17, 2009

blowtoes said:
LOL those were some ridiculous johns.

LMFAO my video johns.<3

blowtoes said:
I can still pull out some quick advice though.
vs. Falcon
The matchup: I see that falcon is aggressive, but he's clumsy and inacurate at times. Still, try not to let him rush you down. Throw out tilts to keep him at bay, they can disrupt his timing, outrange him, and allow you to control the flow of the match, among other things. He doesn't seem to be that combo oriented, which is a break for you. Reguardless, you should be DIing up and away from his uairs. In alot of those hits, there was either no DI or you DId away, which is basically just another word for "Horray for knees" If you DI with a slightly upwards trajectory, you should be able to
A) place yourself out of reach
B) be able to jump/relaliate out of hitstun
C) get kneed anyways because falcon is like that.
On the ground, you want to try as hard as you can to press the advantage. Keep his grabs away from you with tilts and shut down his arial game with wding out of shield.

Now critique of your samus: I noticed you have alot of moments of hesitation, where you either panic and freeze, fire the wrong way or kind of just... lumber. Standing there just gives your oppoonent time to size you up, and makes you a standing target. As we all know, moving targets are much harder to hit, so you should minimize the time you're standing still, obviously.
Sweetspotting the ledge is also a big problem. There were at least 3 instances where you either could have sweetspotted, or would have survived if you screw attacked - and ironically would have resulted in a sweetspot. It's great fun hitting someone with the tip of a screw attack, but you know you might be getting a tad bit excessive with it when your opponent takes a baby step back, waits there, has a cup of tea, and then begins to charge up an fsmash. It's almost as embarrasing as your opponent turning around before you roll behind them. (I'm not saying you did that, I'm just saying that's embarrasing as hell.)
SDing doesn't help either ;P

Thank you tons. Yeah my sweetspotting is terrible in that match, I think I went for too many grapple beams when I could have UpB sweetspotted and gotten back just fine. That whole match was an embarassment for me, lmao, but hey, getting ***** can give the best critiques I suppose. ^_^

And yes, my Samus moves like a slug. Gotta WD around some more. I'll try those Ftilts and WDs to keep him away like you said. A lot of it is hesistation like you said, not wanting to get easy knee'd.

And yeah that SD was... terrible. XD

blowtoes said:
Who's K Coast? He needs to UpB out of shield more.

My friend, crew member, whatever you wanna call it. Yeah I've been telling him that. >_<

-

Thanks again for the help. ^_^

Geist · Mar 18, 2009

Lite. said:
Yeah I'm 12.
Just go to a lot of tournaments, theres bound to be some high ranked pro there that you can play, and there should be some other good players around your area. Trust me, after going to a tournaments, and playing match after match, your skill level will rise sky rocket.

lol If there were any touneys closer to me than Socal (I live in Vegas - aka Brawl central) I would go.
Last year and the year before that I went to a tourney every 2 weeks, and then I moved here and it stopped.
So I'm in a stage of withdrawl. I'm going to genesis though, so it's all good. As for now I only have 2 brothers and my scubby friends to play with ^_^

Rat · Mar 18, 2009

Alukard · Mar 18, 2009

yoooo corey u got ur work cut out for ya lololol

Corigames · Mar 18, 2009

No kidding :/

Work in an hour, it'll have to wait.

Rat · Mar 18, 2009

Yeah sorry to dump a whole bunch. Any response is appreciated.

ES Lite · Mar 18, 2009

blowtoes said:
lol If there were any touneys closer to me than Socal (I live in Vegas - aka Brawl central) I would go.
Last year and the year before that I went to a tourney every 2 weeks, and then I moved here and it stopped.
So I'm in a stage of withdrawl. I'm going to genesis though, so it's all good. As for now I only have 2 brothers and my scubby friends to play with ^_^

Most good brawl tournies have melee setups. try going to one and see if there is melee there. they are usually there, to keep the players up and not sleeping.

Geist · Mar 19, 2009

Lite. said:
Most good brawl tournies have melee setups. try going to one and see if there is melee there. they are usually there, to keep the players up and not sleeping.

That's the underlying problem though. There are literally only like 5 people that play melee in this entire city, and 2 of them live with me. The majority of people here (read: everyone) are new to the smash scene - brawl is their first smash game. either that, or they never played melee competitively. They don't hold any particular intrests to get good at an "old" game. So my problem is I'm lacking competition.
Right now my choices are to either go to socal or AZ.

god that sounds like johns.^

Rat said:
a million videos

dayum i'll get to those later too. I can't watch videos in class lol

f8 do you know desh? I could have sworn I saw him talking to you in another thread lol

outRAGEous · Mar 19, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLNZAsMbRXc

this vid is super old, and no i wont read your critique lizolllllllllllllllllllllll

ES Lite · Mar 19, 2009

outRAGEous said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLNZAsMbRXc

this vid is super old, and no i wont read your critique lizolllllllllllllllllllllll

ok...

I LOVE your samus.
your tech skill is amazing, keep it up!
The only problem i see is when you do a aerial, you do the same aerial again. (example: bair, jump-bair, falling bair.)
Try to do one aerial, and instead of doing another obvious aerial, back up your first aerial with something that has priority. Some like bair you can't do so much, maybe a jump-nair if you have the momentum? something like a weak nair would follow up to a jump-dair.
I love your samus, your prolly my favorite next to alukard's, who's next to watty, who's next to wes, who's next to hugs.

outRAGEous · Mar 19, 2009

your insight is gorgeous. thank you so much.

and yea ill work on those things. but id imagine you'd love my samus even more now.

-Philip Coast Philip- · Mar 20, 2009

F8 iS RiPPiN said:
Me and my friend K_Coast's Sami.

blowtoes said:
Who's K Coast?

Great, another 'coast' samus player. What's with people these days.

(Not to mention the other name I go by is "popfizz" and there's a Samus player named Fizz apparently, AND there's a girl smasher named Snap Pop apparently... dang. Girl smasher/Samus=girl/House plays Metroid... with SAMUS

just so much epicness surrounding me)

Corigames · Mar 20, 2009

I have a cardboard cut-out of Samus. Is that epicness?

Also, video people aren't getting ignored. Though... well, actually, kinda. I'm trying to teach people to play DotA, smash, and I'm learning Starcraft all at the same time. The videos are now piling up.

HT F8 · Mar 20, 2009

blowtoes said:
f8 do you know desh? I could have sworn I saw him talking to you in another thread lol

Yesss Desh is amazing.

-Philip Coast Philip- said:
Great, another 'coast' samus player. What's with people these days.

XD I dunno, that's just been his tag since he started SSBM so yuhhhh.

-Philip Coast Philip- said:
(Not to mention the other name I go by is "popfizz" and there's a Samus player named Fizz apparently, AND there's a girl smasher named Snap Pop apparently... dang. Girl smasher/Samus=girl/House plays Metroid... with SAMUS

just so much epicness surrounding me)

@_@ How confusing.

coreygames said:
I have a cardboard cut-out of Samus. Is that epicness?

Epic epicness?

rhan · Mar 20, 2009

coreygames said:
I have a cardboard cut-out of Samus. Is that epicness?

Not nearly as epic as an Hylian shield hanging on your wall. But it's pretty **** close. Lol.

Expect more Samus videos of my bro (maybe) and I. Maybe even another crew battle? Who knows. Weekends are unpredictable.

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