Various Matchup Analysis and Thoughts

[CT Chia]

wait... future just complimented me?? @_@

me v rain is saved on alex strifes wii so itl eventually be up and its kind of awesome

 

[Teh Future]

it is up... i think on ksisslsllsllzlze channel or maybe vgbootcamp

 

[CT Chia]

na me vs rain is def not up

 

[Teh Future]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB2DtcU4GQI&feature=related

 

[Silhouette]

lol Chibo 2 gud.

but you could have lived at 1:50 with Fair > Up-B > Bair. Im telling you its a great momentum cancel.

I've got a new bag of tricks with ROB, got alot of good practice last week and I think Ive gone up another level.

 

[CT Chia]

yea i died early that time, i botched it. why does the upB help u with that? i dont get it.

but man that match is beautiful, the usmash kill i did on him he put his controller on his lap and clapped his hands as he was coming back on the platform at the top lol

 

[Silhouette]

Well the Up-B substitutes for a jump, while actually Jumping negates your first momentum cancel, using Up B you can rise toward the corner DURING your Bair and the Bair seems to act like a bucket break. My original idea was to use Dair since we hit a brick wall if we use it during an Up-B, but Dair was way too slow.

I would also like to speculate that our aerials cancel momentum differently during our Up-B, that or Up adds something in the equation that allows the Bair to cancel more momentum than Fair > Bair. I would like to have someone test all this though, I think it was GWJumpman who did the testing before.

I've never died after the Bair comes out, and I've had some close calls.

I'd recommend practicing it in friendlies first though, its a very unique timing.

 

[Mister Eric]

Doesn't the B-air increase the chance of your booty sticking out of the blast zone.?.?

 

[CT Chia]

upB carries ur momentum exactly as it is so I dont see how it helps

 

[Jorgeme]

nvm10chars

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Brawl Fact: Olimar can never beat Rob. The match-up is un-winnable.

//2cents

^ It's true, I 3-stocked Fino.

Oli seems pretty easy for rob

Hate to be late to the party, but what?

Olimar's always been one of my worst matchups, am i missing something here?

Or am I just playing Olimars that are so much better than me I can't win a matchup that I shouldn't be able to lose?

 

[CT Chia]

Olimar beats ROB, you're not missing anything Glyph

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Ohhh so I'm just bad at sarcasm then.

I'd say is a 80:20 matchup, Sarcasm:Glyph

 

[TeeVee]

ive never felt this comfortable with rob, i've been doing some pretty insane ****...ill get vids next tourny i go to

 

[Dnyce]

Olimar beats ROB, you're not missing anything Glyph

LOL, What a troll!

 

[ccst]

LOL, What a troll!

But it's true.

 

[Teh Future]

LOL, What a troll!

LOL, What a troll!

 

[CT Chia]

Stay on discussion you trolls

 

[ccst]

Urk... Meta Knights have countered my WBGC now, so every time I do that (I even try to be unpredictable) I eat a Shuttle Loop or more Uairs... it's really frustrating. What to do?

Also, R.O.B. didn't rise in the Tier List, just like I said before, his days are over, not him being nerfed, but characters being buffed (and IMO Peach and Pit should be over him). I think his right spot is 19th place to be quiet honest. =/

 

[2-DJeff]

to every1 that think the zss MU isnt that bad for rob keep in mind that zss has a infinite specialized for rob.. its a foot stool infinite

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

That is a very good point!

How could have we forgotten that she has a footstool infinite on ROB?!

 

[Zwarm]

I've always thought the ZSS MU was bad, the infinite's just icing on the cake. >.>

 

[Mister Eric]

Get the infinite on me and then I will be worried.

 

[Cubone]

ROB vs ZSS? When has that EVER happened? Do ZSS players even learn that infinite?

 

[ccst]

You never know...

 

[Silhouette]

Some do, I usually expect higher level ZSS to know it, not gonna take risks.

but really, its SOO much easier to avoid than DDD's grab or the nado.

 

[Cubone]

Some do, I usually expect higher level ZSS to know it, not gonna take risks.

but really, its SOO much easier to avoid than DDD's grab or the nado.

I would beware of it but I can't see many even learning the timing. There aren't many ZSS players nor ROB players out there lol.

 

[-LzR-]

Well there aren't any safe methods to landing it so she needs serious mindgames to land dat downsmash which is slow as ****.

 

[ccst]

You're just used to Meta Knight, right?
Please look at the frame data.

 

[Black Mantis]

So against mk's who spam tornado, what can I do?

 

[Cubone]

So against mk's who spam tornado, what can I do?

Predict it and space with a Nair or Fsmash. Retreating nair is what I tend to do.

While its kind of on topic, does anyone have a picture showing where we need to hit nado with Bair to beat it? It seems like a hit of nado clanks with bair or something and then I get caught in it >_>

 

[TeeVee]

i think nado beats bair 100 percent of the time lol i honestly cant recall ever beating a nado with bair...it sucks because if bair went through it the nado would be useless

 

[stingers]

bair beats tornado from above if youre moving downwards (or if you're moving up from an up b, because it sends you in a curve rather than a straight line like a jump) that's it.

 

[Cubone]

Aight, thanks. I knew it could beat it sometimes from the top but I didn't know why it wasn't consistent.

 

[ccst]

So against mk's who spam tornado, what can I do?

Shot a fully charged gyro at the broken tornado.

 

[Bees!]

MKs that spam nado are the easiest to beat imo. MKs that don't use Nado much on the other hand >_>

 

[stingers]

nado spam can be annoying because there are times when you're vulnerable lol...but yeah most mks are dumb

 

[Bees!]

Its weird. MKs that spam fAir give me the hardest time. Nado Spammers are really easy with stutter step fSmash, Pivot Laser and SH nAir. Its fAir that shuts me down and ftilt. I don't know how to beat them.

 

[TeeVee]

just power shield the fair and grab if you are close or f tilt if you are far.

 

[CT Chia]

i shield and fair back