So here's the deal. Peach's up smash hits on the 14th frame. Her running speed is also slower and doesn't dash as far. Fox's up smash hits on 8th and is fater in dash and etc. Thus, base on that, these information that the Peach board have gather should work for us and even better too. There's probably even more moves we can do too but I don't really know how to test out frame data. If any1 can then please do it for us? Ankoku? *put sheik main costume on* cmon man! We're both Sheik main!!! *put fox main custom back on* so yeah, great information that we can use too. Should hopefully help us land some up smash on people more now and make them scare of us.
also, up smash out of shield is probably our 3rd fastest thing oos or something like that. After nair and grab. So use it more!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=244540
thanks Raz
also, up smash out of shield is probably our 3rd fastest thing oos or something like that. After nair and grab. So use it more!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=244540
thanks Raz
Sweetspot Upsmashes by Dropping Shield and doing Dash + Usmash
NOT powershielded unless otherwise noted, just NORMALLY shielded having your shield PUSHED. These can work most of the time but you have to judge for yourself if you're too far away to try to usmash. Use your eyes man since spacing can change things so these are not 100% all the time. It's more like 100% all the time if you're close enough. Sometimes you kinda...aren't. And these all should work for sure if you powershield. :]
so yea...if you powershield all of these should work for sure and there's more possibilities and more things work such as mario's fsmash.
Don't take my word as law and question this and test it yourselves. It's important to use your own heads so we can get accurate results and make our character better so I'm asking you to doubt me here.
A lot of this may be known already but I guess I'm trying to help out just a little bit and I have some big tourneys coming up so I'm doing this mostly for me so there.
Bowser: Nothing, well...Down B but that's what we always do to him lol...
Captain Falcon: Falcon Punch, Falcon kick (kinda hard sometimes though coz it travels, might have to powershield), Fsmash, Non-autocancelled Knee, someone test dsmash but i'm pretty sure it doesn't work but yea...test plz.
Diddy Kong: Usmash, the cpu wouldn't use dsmash at all but test it b/c dsmash has a ton of ending lag. ;o
Donkey Kong: Side B, Powershield Fsmash/Dsmash/Donkey Punch
Falco: Usmash, Fair lag (lol...), Powershielded Dsmash
Fox: Usmash, Powershielded Dsmash (maybe Fsmash, sum1 test it)
Ganondorf: sh fair, fsmash sometimes powershield fsmash for sure, Powershield dsmash, powershield murder kick, powershield **** punch
Ice Climbers: Squall, Fsmash, Usmash, Dsmash (might kill only nana b/c her shield always comes up after popo's)
Ike: Uncharged eruption if you don't get pushed too far, Utilt, Side b, 3rd hit of jab, Fair and Nair and Dair if they space horribly and sometimes you just drop shield and hit your c stick w/ no dash.
Jigglypuff: Aerial Pound, Grounded Pound, Usmash, Rest, Fsmash, Dsmash
King Dedede: Powershield Jet Hammer, Powershield Usmash, Powershield Dsmash, Powershield Fsmash, Powershield a waddle if their dumb enough to do it that close to you you can usmash the ending lag.
Kirby: Gotta be lucky to land it on Fsmash w/o powershielding but the spacing is there sometimes I guess, Aerial Hammer, Powershielded Usmash, Powershielded Grounded Hammer
Link: Whiffed grab, up b, powershield 2nd hit fsmash (w/o powershield you get pushed too far, I wanna say Usmash but it's kinda hard to avoid getting smacked by the last two hits.
Lucario: At high percent his fsmash and dsmash push you too much.
Lucas: Fsmash, Usmash
Luigi: Maybe Powershield Dsmash but I really doubt this tbh, Poorly spaced nado
Mario: Fair, Powershield Fsmash
Marth: Shield Breaker (lol...), Dancing Blade Up
Metaknight: Nothing because he's MK, best I could do was landing a sourspot on his powershielded usmash xD
Mr. Game and Watch: Nothing
Ness: Usmash, Dsmash, Powershield fsmash
Olimar: None that I can see...someone test powershield dsmash though but I doubt it really works.
Pikachu: ^same as Olimar.
Pit: Nothing. You can try on his dsmash or usmash if you don't expect him to shield or jab or sidestep immediately but yea...nothing consistant at all.
Squirtle: Usmash, fsmash
Ivysaur: Sh Fair, Powershield fsmash, dsmash, and usmash.
Charizard: fsmash, dsmash, rock smash
R.O.B.: Nothing, maybe powershielded stuff but he has so little ending lag and that spotdodge...
Samus: Whiffed grab (well ofc u don't shield these but still Mikey mentioned it :O), Dsmash (more likely than not it'll push you outta range though), Fsmash and Dtilt must be powershielded though
Zero Suit Samus: ?????? I can't get her in practice mode lolol but i'm sure u can do it to Whiffed grab, dair, down b attack, and fsmash but idk coz you can't get her in practice mode, sum1 check.
Snake: Last hit of jab combo, Utilt close range
Sonic: Nothing, we're too slooooooow~.
Toon Link: 2nd hit Fsmash
Wario: Dsmash, Fsmash
Wolf: Fsmash
Yoshi: Dsmash, Powershield Usmash and Fsmash
Zelda: Utilt, Maybe usmash but someone else test this but I think it works b/c it zelda can't do **** afterwards.
Sheik: Usmash, Dsmash, Dair, Fsmash (if ur rly close to them)
Peach: It's so dumb testing this on lvl 9 peach someone help me XD i'm pretty sure we all space too well to let this happen to us anyway but still. ;O
as you can see I didn't do it all but I have a fair idea of what works and what doesn't for the stuff I left blank. I'll test more characters later.
