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= High A TierThis is an explanation of my smash opinion that there shouldnt be any awakening and fates content.
Which sounds a lot like a bunch of cherry-picked arguments to justify what's essentially a hate boner. I'm pretty sure the Archanea, Elibe and Tellius games weren't 100% squeaky-clean either.
I think that's a fair opinion to have. I would just be careful not to get too far into needing to explain your opinion that it turns into a defensive argument.
Greninja was Ash's best pokemon in XY to the point it even got it's own form and is undeniably one of the most popular Pokemon of it's generation, it absolutely stood the test of time from Gen 6 to Gen 7. especially in the competitive Pokemon scene
And where did i say any of those games are perfect? And for that matter do any of these games have underage children in bikinis?
I agree with both of your points but has Pokemon or FE character been confirmed as DLC yet? I think some people are jumping the gun on half of DLC pass being 1st party shilling.
Did Ash Greninja happen in gen 7?
I'm just absolutely sure the only actual 1st party character we stand a chance at getting is YET ANOTHER Fire Emblem character is all.
Yes. Ash Greninja was an event exclusive pokemon which players got for playing the Sun and Moon demo, no coding for it existed in XY or ORAS. It seems to me that just like Lucario and likely Incineroar in the future, Smash helped make this Pokemon more popular than others, people say Zoroark failed to grab the same hype but loads of people still really liked Zoroark to the point everyone said "Oh yeah they're absolutely gonna be in Smash 4", so Lucario being in the second best selling fighting game of all time most likely helped push it to stand the test of time
Well I guess we'll see how long that popularity holds out in Gen 8, for both Pokemon.
Your original point however fails to consider multiple factors like how nobody can see the future and how Smash can help make them stand the test of time. For long running franchises, it's the most beneficial to pull stuff from the most recent games. Zelda did it too for the most part and you're obviously a fan of that franchise
To be fair, of all the Melee clones, Dr. Mario came the closest to being an actual Echo Fighter; he was designed to be a slower Mario who can hit harder, but everything else would've been the same (apart from the capsules not being absorbable).
Mr.L's K.Rool did win that Australian major. I think he's as good as most of the other super heavyweights, somewhere in mid tier.
What the hell I know Australia is ass backwards with a lot of things anf was dominated by a WFT in 4 but K.Rool won a major? As in, the character who can't really do much against anything?
Eh, Falco and Roy didn't have huge differences either. They're on the same level, really. Only Ganondorf, Young Link, and Pichu has major differences in comparison. They also had different bodyshapes in comparison.
I don't know about Fox and Roy in Melee but just by looking at Melee Marth and Roy they're vastly different due to hitboxes (Roy's being infamously terrible), fall speed, frame data and different properties with up b
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But more importantly nearly identical bodyshapes. Which is what the key rule of echoes are. Being "similar" is enough for a regular clone. You could easily have both Falco and Roy as Echoes since they still fit all the parameter requirements. Those extra properties don't really matter for Echo rules anyway. Ganondorf, Pichu, and Young Link don't have identical bodyshapes, which keeps them from that possible label. Obviously even the ones who were most Echo-like got more differences in later games they appeared in. Each one has more tangible differences than any Echo. Chrom is still far more similar than Dr. Mario is.
Irene you're acting like you're the one in charge of this. Roy and Marth are vastly different, not like "Lucina and Marth are interchangeable in Smash 4", not "Lucina benefits from the mechanics significantly more than Marth in Ultimate", but they are outright very different. Stat changes barely exist for the characters labelled as echoes yet in Melee, if Roy went offstage to edgeguard, he'd die as he fell too fast and his recovery was horrendous, Marth is completely different by comparison and there's how they play.
The problem is Echoes do have a hard rule of exact same bodyshape. Nothing else is a remote rule, as we've seen with Ken. We thought they needed near identical/same attributes, but that's obviously not correct. Why shouldn't that be equally applied to Roy and Falco, who pretty much that entirely? It's inconsistent.
You can't exactly use Falco and Roy in the same way as Fox and Marth though. And you need to take into account the attribute differences as well.
Chrom actually uses a version of Aether in his games, so it makes sense.
Nah, I agree. I think he could've easily been an Echo. We don't have a clear reason why he isn't one, just a ton of theories. Especially when Dark Pit and Lucina could've been regular clones anyway. Overall, it feels like the reasons behind it are probably arbitrary at this point.
Because he is co-owned by Disney and the Kingdom Hearts series as a whole is a fiasco of a story.
Just Cause has you take down terrorist cells via causing more terrorism, man.
Oof.
Still, it should be noted that while Mario and Dr. Mario can be KO'd at basically the same damage percentages, that's not the case when you compare Fox to Falco, or Marth to Roy; their weight, falling speed, and gravity are completely different.
I don't see how it matters anyway. Cause the sole Echo rule is "same bodyshape". This is clear enough by Sakurai himself, when explaining why Isabelle couldn't be an Echo. Reggie made an attempt to explain the rules about them, but Ken broke that apart, showing Reggie mispoke or didn't have enough information on how Sakurai does it. Anything else but same bodyshape is not an official rule by Sakurai whatsoever. Anything else is too questionable at this point. Maybe someday Sakurai will make it way more clear than the only rule we got. Till then, that's all that should be applied as an actual rule. Rest are fanrules right now. It doesn't help nobody had a clear idea of what Reggie meant.
Assuming this is a direct quote, then Sakurai BS'd his way out of the question. Villager and Isabelle absolutely have the same body shape.
Except they don't. They have a similar bodyshape. There's differences in the proportions. This was proven a long time back by using their exact models(the ones that Smash also happens to use as well in Ultimate, coincidentally), pasted Isabelle on Villager, and she did not work correctly. She was extremely off in her animations. In order for her to work as an Echo, she would need an entirely new model with exact proportions. As I theorized, they didn't bother with a new model and just did the work to make her a semi-clone instead. Exact quote to note too;
I'm pretty sure Sakurai has described Ken as the outlier amongst the Echos. Something to the effect of, echos aren't normally supposed to be as different from their source fighters as Ken ended up being.
I'd be interested in a citing of this. I honestly never read it.
