Q&A Unleashing a 2-D Horror - A Game and Watch Thread

[Oracle]

throwing out random hammers will make you lose because in terms of speed, safety, and cooldown hammer is pretty terrible. having a little more control over the result means you get more information about when the most optimal time to use it is

 

[geno]

By "throwing random hammers" I'm talking like between your opponent's stocks or something. throwing hammers to get a 9 ready. I'm not saying it's not helpful, I'm just saying it's... well, unnecessary. GnW needs some buffs, but not on Judgement. But that's just my two cents

 

[Metmetm3t]

Charisma? You do realize that this a fighting game and not a beauty contest right? If you're playing this character because you want to be quirky and charming maybe you should think about switching to animal crossing. And if you think that this will somehow make G&W "the Metaknight of PM," then you clearly didn't play any Brawl. Metaknight is on a separate level from the other characters in that game. Please don't put an RNG on the same level as being at advantage in every situation.

 

[Oracle]

if you're using the hammer just to get 9's, you really are gambling. Smart hammer play isn't just praying for a nine lol

 

[QraQ]

if you're using the hammer just to get 9's, you really are gambling. Smart hammer play isn't just praying for a nine lol

Yeah! It's praying for a 7 so you can get that sweet sweet 10% apple mmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm

 

[Juushichi]

Feels good to not have stupid GnW opinions ITT.

 

[QraQ]

In regard to GnW's Judgement change... Yes, it's a "buff", but I feel like it's a much bigger nerf to his charisma. GnW feels great to me how he is, and sure, maybe being able to throw 9's every few tries will get him higher on the tier list, but he'll also become the Metaknight of PM. All you have to do is throw hammers whenever you have free time in a match to get a potential 9 ready and repeat. It might just be me, but I think random judgement is a big part of GnW's quirk.

lol wut?
GnW didn't need a buff, but now they make his random less random which is fuuuuuun.

Just do the unstoppable Electric Chair 14 combo (5 + 9) OR Frostfire 14 combo (8 + 6) OR Apples to Apples 14 combo (7 + 7).
THESE ALL EXIST IN THE WORLD OF 2D ****

 

[geno]

I mean, he didn't NEED a buff, but he is bottom of the tier list in every PM tier list I've seen. All I'm trying to say is Judgement is currently awesome, and like QraQ is saying, it has all kinds of comboing and killing. I just would have liked changes in techroll speed, maybe weight, something like that. Idk, I'm probably just looking at it wrong though

 

[Metmetm3t]

I hope that no one here thinks that this Judgement buff is the thing he really needs to break out.

 

[SpiderMad]

I hope that no one here thinks that this Judgement buff is the thing he really needs to break out.

I agree, he definitely needs better players

 

[Juushichi]

I agree, he definitely needs better players

We have two people that place at least top 3 in one of the best regions, and two that place on average at least top 5 in theirs.

For all the **** that gets talked about for this character, there are a lot of talented players that are winning well. We've already also had a player win a tournament with this character and there's still a **** ton that can be done to continue improvement. There are a lot of "good" characters with a player base much worse off than ours.

I don't want to hear that ****, lol.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

What he needs is to eat more or take a somersaulting class.

 

[Metmetm3t]

I agree, he definitely needs better players

MM?

 

[SpiderMad]

MM?

Yes, drive up to IL next time we have a regional like the last Sakuria Can't Save You Now. In the meantime knowing you've dabbled with the Wifi Ladder and have your FC on your account I'd be willing to beat you over that too; Wifi MMs use the Leelue pesos currency btw though.

 

[Yung Mei]

where do i rank in GNW's :3c

 

[Oracle]

lol mad talking trash who even are you

 

[SpiderMad]

lol mad talking trash who even are you

Idk anymore, they ruined my main again just as I was about to beat everyone

 

[Oracle]

stop relying on broken characters and then it won't happen

 

[Juushichi]

where do i rank in GNW's :3c

Dunno. Seems reasonable enough to put Dakpo and Oracle among the top of us since they have the best results so far. If you count non-mainers, then you probably can include Wobbles and Eli too.

Otherwise, idk it could go either way man.

 

[Yung Mei]

if you say that again, ill beat you up >

notable people ive played (and lost again, but only because i did something hilariously stupid that cost me the set)
Eggz (Lucario, Donkey Kong, Pit) - 2 sets, almost won first set but ****ing rogue bacon canceled his death hit, 3-0'd second set
Meta (Wolf)- Lost 1 set, played 3 matches as GnW, 2 as Charizard, went 2-1 his favor when i played GNW
SIlent Wolf (Wolf) - 2-0 his favor
Bladewise (Diddy Kong, Peach) - played 3 sets total, 2-0 his favor, used charizard once, that set was 2-3 his favor, then a money match recently, when i went 3-1
Ciz (Diddy Kong, Fox) - i cant remember the set count, but i had beaten his diddy most of the set, then he went fox and plowed through me
Daze(Sheik) - i think i went 2-0 or 2-1, my favor, i cant remember, this was in like february
Shadic -

-0 my favor (I HOPE HE NAMESEARCHES)

goddammit, my record sucks

 

[Dakpo]

Just do the unstoppable Electric Chair 14 combo (5 + 9) OR Frostfire 14 combo (8 + 6) OR Apples to Apples 14 combo (7 + 7).
THESE ALL EXIST IN THE WORLD OF 2D ****

You are forgetting the famous Dak29 combo

 

[Dakpo]

Where can I get frame Data for GnW

 

[SpiderMad]

Where can I get frame Data for GnW

I believe his BBox stuff is still messed up to unworthy eyes

 

[Juushichi]

Where can I get frame Data for GnW

I think it was Magus who gave us the aerial "bible" for his frame safety in 2.5b Dakpo. You should ask him.

[EDIT] Actually found the post. I'll link it in the OP until we get more info on how it changed.

N-Air
Landing Lag: 8/17
Shield Stun: 9
Advantage: +1

F-Air
Landing Lag: 12/25
Shield Stun: 9 Strong, 4 Weak
Advantage: -3 Strong, -8 Weak

B-Air
Landing Lag: 10/20 (9/19 after landing hit)
Shield Stun: 3 (landing hit)
Advantage: -6 (landing hit)

U-Air
Landing Lag: 9/18 (8/17 after landing hit)
Shield Stun: 4 (landing hit)
Advantage: -4 (landing hit)

D-Air
Landing Lag: 10/20 (9/19 after landing hit)
Shield Stun: 4 (landing hit)
Advantage: -5 (landing hit)

Neutral-B
Landing Lag: 0 (no impact landing. cancels directly into wait)
Shield Stun: 6 Pan, 7 Panless (4 Hitlag + 3 Stun)
Advantage: +6 Pan, +7 Panless

-Panless happens when you land on the same frame the pan would swing and food come out. You don't swing the pan but the food is still thrown.

 

[Dakpo]

Do these include L-Canceled moves?

 

[SpiderMad]

Do these include L-Canceled moves?

Nair is 8 L-canceled, and 17 not

 

[Dakpo]

So the advantage numbers are the L-Canceled numbers?

 

[Juushichi]

Yeah, should be like that.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

They...

They buffed... They buffed Chef...

 

[Juushichi]

Good. Chef is delicious.

Ftilt's lingering hitbox got nerfed.

 

[Yung Mei]

my senpai noticed me today

 

[Metmetm3t]

2.6 is out
Most of us already know this but the changes are:

- Chef has a low chance of shooting a giant meat that does 15 damage
- Judgement has a completely new mechanic for showing you what's coming next: dots appear above G&W's head one dot means the next is odd two dots means the next is even. This can be combined with the knowledge that the last two hammers aren't possible to give an up to 50/50 chance of knowing what the next hammer is.

That's it. These changes are really weird as they weren't even close to what we asked for and just seem to suggest that the PMBR wants us to play the slot machine all day. ¯\_(━┳━ _ ━┳━)_/¯

 

[Magus420]

Nope, that's not it. Quite a lot more than that really. Those are just the most obvious things.

 

[Nahpro]

Try using your tech roll. And also f-smash.

 

[Artimus]

Super bacon for President.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Tech Roll definitely felt better. The new Hammer mechanic is actually super useful depending on the odds that present themselves, after playing a few matches.

You gotta do the odds in your head and apply what can be into the battle. It feels very rewarding, especially with the evens, where, if you get two Evens in a row and the light shows the next is an Even, you've got a 50/50. My brother didn't believe me and when I saw an opening I said "2" and stunned him on the ground.

New Chef is delicious, it has potent knockback once people start hitting higher percents.

 

[Juushichi]

Tech roll, fthrow, fsmash, not so much ftilt are fun so far.

 

[Magus420]

Since the hitboxes on f-tilt end at the same time you can act out of it, the weak late hit combos pretty easily into f-air and if you're quick with it a n-air at upper damages.

 

[Yung Mei]

jesus christ, i have no idea what the **** happened guys, but gnw feels WAAYYYY too different for some reason, i can't shdb quickly, i have to do the ******** method i do for shdl (tap x, left thumb reaches over to b) to be able to do it now, gnw just feels heavier than before and clunky as ****

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

I noticed it too when I played, he felt off. Mostly Dain Airs, I was missing a lot of L-Cancels