Unintended Consequences Mafia: The Saga Concludes

[#HBC | Mac]

kiki would announce a twilight phase every day because that is part of the fcking mechanics for his game. It wouldn't make sense for him to remove twilight just because no roles that affect twilight are left. It also wouldn't make sense for him to end twilight early just because all the twilight actions were already sent in.

stop with this dumb metagame crap gheb. Also the whole discrepancy between VTs is also dumb. If anything, I think one of the two people with the same names are more likely to be mafia then virg. When I hosted a game, my VTs all had different rolenames.

This is why I think people aren't actually playing virg but are looking for weak things to grasp on to.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Read my post Gheb. I suggested that either Ryker or Xonar could have a twilight ability. If not, then the twilight role would be whoever is lying out of us, which would make them either mafia or indy. Indy with twilight role doesn't sound very right.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I got that. Stop repeating yourselves. Unfortunately my point seems to hard to understand =/

Vote Macman

Him or Scamp are most indy-like.

 

[Evil Eye]

He died long ago though. Why would Kiki announce a Twilight phase every day when the assumed role is already dead? He wouldn't be waiting for any command making the whole twilight obsolete.

Uh, why not? Why would Kiki confirm meta like that?

I had two Twilight roles in Bruce Willis Mafia, and for that exact reason I kept using Twilight phase right to the end, despite their dying early on.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

O k

 

[Purple]

pretty much

 

[Nicholas1024]

This set off huge red flags for me. I'd like to think I've been one of the most protown people in the game, and I really doubt there are five mafiats in a sixteen-man game.

You have been. However, should we get a survivor claim among the people in the census, then everyone else from the census is clear. That would narrow the lynch options down to you, Macman and the survivor. At that point, it's just process of elimination.

Anyway EE, why are you reacting so strongly? Not one person has agreed with me, my past record is that people don't usually agree with me, and the whole thing would be dependent on a survivor claiming, AND macman somehow flipping town. It just really strikes me as odd. For crying out loud, I'm more likely to be hailed as town MVP than you are to get lynched.

But enough of that, as it seems that the survivor (assuming there is one) has decided not to claim. (I think everyone's posted by now, right?)

Anyway, I am just not liking Macman big time. I mean, I don't like his claim, I don't like how he was lurking through the past few days, and just became active right now (as he's getting some heat again). I also don't like the fact that we have two vig claims. (Yeah, captain obvious, I know.) I'm more inclined to believe Scamp than I am Macman simply because I do NOT see a SK killing Rockin N1. Thing is though, Gheb's census result is messing with my logic. Macman has been ridiculously scummy, but we have solid proof that there's an anti-town player elsewhere.

Anyway, EE makes a good point about the lack of a double kill. At any rate, it's probably safe to assume that regardless of his alignment, Scamp was indeed responsible for the N1 and N2 kills. I'm not buying that the mafia no killed or got it blocked two nights in a row, so I think that at the start of the game at least, mafia didn't have a NK. I think Macman might be worth another look and maybe a lynch, as a fifth mafia member would be a reasonable way to balance that out. I'll have to think more on this though.

EE also makes a good point about not rushing the day. Yet one more strike against Macman...

 

[Purple]

You're totally right.

I mean, KevinM was clear right?

 

[Purple]

assuming that all claims are true, gheb would be the indy. ;/

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That's what I wanted to say lol.

KevMo's GF status influenced my census. No way to be sure that an indy might have something similar.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And I get ninjad. Scamp, Macman or Virg are indy still imo.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And by that I mean "one of them" ofc not all three of them

latenightjohns

 

[#HBC | Mac]

whatever

I started speaking up as soon as the day started not as soon as I got heat on me.
I haven't done anything that would make me come off as an indy. If this isn't true show me where I have.

and I guess an SK will never try to kill someone people think are antitown just to make themselves look townalligned.

and I guess the guy who has one poison shot is more likely to be the SK then the guy with multiple shots.

but whatever,
i'm done caring until you guys actually show reasoning for me being indy or you guys lynch me.

yes this is AtE, and no I don't care that it is


on another note, truthfully I don't really have much of a reason to thing scamp is scum besides his claim and gheb's census, and the fact that the indy has to be some sort of SK. I have no motivation to reread because it doesn't seem like anyone else is trying to do anything of value and I've only slightly cared about winning this game. so forgive me for bowing out early.

ninjas n sht

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Awwwwwwwwwwww

 

[#HBC | Mac]

= [[

 

[Purple]

I think you're only being looked at as indy because your d1 ways of playing are still pushing people the wrong way.

Oh, and you're in the census.

 

[Purple]

I'm looking at how much people talk here, and i'm wondering.

How the **** am i still alive?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

im not in the census...

why do i keep comin backk
lala

wanna hear more from scamp...

not that i care or anything...

>.>

need to sleep

 

[Purple]

whoopsies, you aren't in the census, and they people that are are OBVIOUSLY clear

-.-

Deep down you love us mac.

 

[Virgilijus]

If people are telling the truth (with assuredly one person not, but for this post it doesn't matter), then it appears this game is all about redundancy and deception; we have a godfather (confirmed) and miller (potential) without a cop. We have a long twilight and no governor (potentially). We have a vig who's early success night killing could be incredibly detrimental (potentially). We have vanillas with at least 3 different names (confirmed) to make role claim confusing. I can see Kiki doing this, but will halt my mod metagaming here.

Let me think some more before posting the rest of my thoughts.

 

[Evil Eye]

@Nic: I reacted strongly to warn you that if you even blink at me with vague suspicion I'm going to fight it tooth and claw, and that's the case because every lynch is crucial, and I know I'd be a mislynch, and I want to win. It's pretty **** simple.

Also,

I'm more inclined to believe Scamp than I am Macman simply because I do NOT see a SK killing Rockin N1.

Really really dumb. Here let me break this down for you:

SK 101, as taught by Professor South Park

Step One: Kill antitown players

Step Two: ???

Step Three: Profit.


It turns out the mysterious step two is "claim vigilante".

I'm gonna watch a movie or something. When I finish that I'll start my reread. Try not to kill the day before I get back, and Macman, keep playing.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote

Too much claim and WIFOM muck.

 

[Purple]

Everything Nich has said has been something to steer us the wrong direction imo.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Nic: I reacted strongly to warn you that if you even blink at me with vague suspicion I'm going to fight it tooth and claw, and that's the case because every lynch is crucial, and I know I'd be a mislynch, and I want to win. It's pretty **** simple.

Also,



Really really dumb. Here let me break this down for you:

SK 101, as taught by Professor South Park

Step One: Kill antitown players

Step Two: ???

Step Three: Profit.


It turns out the mysterious step two is "claim vigilante".

I'm gonna watch a movie or something. When I finish that I'll start my reread. Try not to kill the day before I get back, and Macman, keep playing.

Hey EE, isn't it a given that people will fight tooth and nail not to get lynched? That's kind of Don't-Fail-at-mafia 101.

Also, as far as your SK 101, everyone knows that step 2 is claim Vig. For crying out loud, that's what I did when I was SK back in RTS mafia, and it was my second game. (In case you're wondering, it didn't work.) Besides, if you were the SK, and there was ALREADY a claimed vigilante role, would you really claim vig? I know this game is wackier than usual, but 2 town-aligned vigs in any game is a stretch, and I was already suspicious of Macman.

Oh and by the way...

SK102:

1) Kill town players

2) Lynch anti-town players

3) Profit.

Given the NK's, this is hardly the way the SK has been operating the whole game. However, my point is that your 101 course isn't the only way things could happen. We don't have any evidence that the SK even has had a kill the whole game. The mafia faction obviously didn't, what's to keep the SK from having some weird mechanic as well?

@Roxy
Whatever.

@Everyone else
Just so there's no misunderstandings, I'd support either a Macman or a Scamp lynch today. Macman would be my preference, but I think seeing either guy's flip would be fine. (I know you weren't on the census Macman. But still, I just can't shake the feeling that you're scum.)

 

[Scamp]

EE I was going to bring up the lack of the double kill after everyone had claimed. Also, I think that it was brought up at some point in the game right around the discussion of Gheb's census. I thought I brought it up at one point in the game but without backtracking through the entire thread past night 1 I can't be sure.


And I don't like AtE as a defense but I may as well add my own. I knew claiming vig would most likely get me killed. EE even said straight-up that a vig is the most obvious thing for an SK to claim. I could have made up some townie handle like "vanilla townie dude" or something more believable. But I'm not going to lie just to save myself, I'm here to win.


Mac, first you vehemently want to quicklynch me, and now you want to hear more from me? Can you be more specific about what you want me to talk about?

Roxy, you've been saying some things that have been kind of odd to me. But most of all I want to know your reasoning behind supporting a no-lynch.

 

[Purple]

To answer your question, i no longer support a no lynch.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i dunno scamp, i just wanted you dead cuz based off the claims you seemed like the obvious play. Then verg brought up the whole you cant shoot anymore thing. and i dunno

 

[#HBC | Mac]

what I realized:

You know how to know if a game has no content? If you can read an EE post in one sitting.

 

[Purple]

Pretty Mac. I really don't know what to do in this game right now

 

[Virgilijus]

I'm leaning towards voting for Macman. Having two vig's is awfully suspicious. If you look at what both of our claimed vig's are saying it boils down to this:

Scamp: Could kill until he struck mafia then became normal. Hit Xonar and is now vanilla but suspects because of his kill, mafia has gained a power (possibly gained night kill ability).

Macman: One time delayed miller vig that poisoned TPK the night before he was lynched and then became normal.

Looking at Macman, what if this is possible:

He's mafia. This would make 5 mafia but, with Scamp's claim would still be even (he kills one, then it's 4 mafia versus town without a vig). Macman wasn't in Gheb's census so that can't rule it out. Mafia had a godfather (KevinM) so they probably felt there was a cop; why else would some one have the power to avoid investigations? When Macman was forced to claim, he chose 1 Shot Vig Miller on TPK for a few reasons: 1 Shot because Scamp hadn't hit Mafia yet so he couldn't prove he was vig killing the next night, Miller because mafia was still thinking there was a cop, and he said he used it on TPK because he was dying anyways so the vig claim still couldn't be tested.

I don't know how well this goes along with voting tendencies; if some one else wants to help me look into it feel free.

Also, Macman's claiming not to care to play and voting quicklynch because of it is very scummy. He's the only one that was acting desperate here when four confirmed mafia are dead.

In the meantime, FoS: Macman. Maybe it doesn't fall exactly like I am thinking, but in a situation like this we have to look at the Vig's and Macman is much scummier than Scampopo.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Atleast this makes more sense than most of the I'm indy nonsense that's been spewing. All I really have to say in defense is that it's incredibly unlikely for there to be 5 mafia.

Also, Macman's claiming not to care to play and voting quicklynch because of it is very scummy. He's the only one that was acting desperate here when four confirmed mafia are dead.

Explain this? I don't see how I've been acting desperate. I remember saying I don't care cuz we have only 1 indy left out of like 8 or however many is left people. That I doubt we'd lose.

I've just been annoyed with the lack of any evidence for me being indy but everyone is still pushing that idea.

When Macman was forced to claim, he chose 1 Shot Vig Miller on TPK for a few reasons: 1 Shot because Scamp hadn't hit Mafia yet so he couldn't prove he was vig killing the next night, Miller because mafia was still thinking there was a cop, and he said he used it on TPK because he was dying anyways so the vig claim still couldn't be tested.

I claimed miller d1, not when I was forced to claim.

 

[Purple]

You did not claim miller d1, it was d2. And people were in fact pretty pressured to vote you with your uninteresting playing.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

it was d1
pay attention

 

[Purple]

why do i remember you suddenly saying "do you guys want me to claim?" with the wacky face, during the double time vote.

 

[Virgilijus]

Post 300 he claimed miller, saying he forgot to at the beginning of the game. That was during Day 1 before we lynched Chibo.

 

[Evil Eye]

Virg, who's your pick for the indy of who's left? Why?

@Everyone else: I think it's been more than long enough since I first asked this question to actually answer it. Top two suspects, and why. Everyone. I don't care if you think you already said a bit, get it codified here with substantive backing. I'm tired of trying to constantly jump the batteries on this narcoleptic town.

 

[Purple]

Post 300 he claimed miller, saying he forgot to at the beginning of the game. That was during Day 1 before we lynched Chibo.

why is he pressuring the importance of his claim so much?

;/

I FoS Macman and Gheb for some odd as hell reason. I just can't shake that Gheb is scummy.

 

[Evil Eye]

"some odd as hell reason" =/= substantive. Back it up.

Especially considering that your suspects are controversial in that you're accusing the census taker and someone not on the census. Do your part of the work.

 

[Purple]

I just think Gheb's sudden change from aggressive "lynch the **** out of people" to "i don't knooow guuuys" bugs the **** out of me. However it might just more because we just got down to the wire instead of a scumtell.

Macman has always been an FoS, as much as it's possible that his role is convienent, it still feels too convienent. He's a miller incase someone found out his role, he was a one time poisoner incase someone saw him doing the killing, It covers everything, however he had a good lead to killing KevinM in d2.

However I'm more willing to kill Nicholas than Gheb on second thought. I can't say that he's said much of actual substance, and if it was substantial it's been in a negative effect to town.

 

[Purple]

By found out his role, i meant found out his alignment. On top of this, i'm going to say that the role names do not mean anything, we've had two people die of different names who had no alignment or powers otherwise. So this whole pressuring due to that can generally stop there. The fact someone is an ordinary citizen, doesn't make them any better than someone who's a plain vanilla.