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Unintended Consequences Mafia: The Saga Concludes

Nicholas1024

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Macman, you aren't making a lot of sense here. If it wasn't for the census, you'd be as good as dead.

If there's a survivor, would you please claim? It would basically guarantee a win for both town and you. (assuming he's one of the guys in the census. Then we lynch Macman, and then EE. If the game hasn't ended yet, we can lynch the claiming survivor, as by gheb's census, he'd have to be the sk. We have 2 mislynches left, so it should work. Any objections? Comments? Reasons why it might not work?
 

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lol nicholas

in a mafia scenario, we would be better off lynching a survivor. Considering mafia would easily claim Indy in order to stay alive and pick us off.
 

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That would also be assuming there is 1 indy, which may or may not be the case.

Scamp also claimed he lost the ability to kill (after hitting Xonar), making him a now useless vig and in the same camp as you.

We are looking objectively; you are the one who wants to quicklynch before EE roleclaims and end discussion.
 

Nicholas1024

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lol nicholas

in a mafia scenario, we would be better off lynching a survivor. Considering mafia would easily claim Indy in order to stay alive and pick us off.
That's usually true but consider. If a survivor claims from the guys in the census, then there's only 3 lynch possibilities: The survivor and the 2 guys not in the census. However, consider we have 2 mislynches. We can lynch Macman and EE (the only two guys not on the census), and if the survivor is telling the truth, we've already won the game. However, if the survivor is really the SK fake-claiming, then we just lynch the claimed survivor next and the game is won.

Of course, there may not be a survivor in this game, which would render all the above moot. Still though, if he's out there, he should claim.
 

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so what's better then, to lynch two people and win, or one person and win. Considering we lynch one person and our idea was wrong, we can backtrack, if we lynch two people and our idea is wrong, we can potentially lose.
 

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Survivors don't have to be lynched if that's what you're talking about. They win when either fraction wins. Don't consider them a threat to us with 4 dead mafiosi. Don't actually consider one being in this game at all because they suck.

Two town sided killing roles and two differently claimed vanillas in what appears to be a power game? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

If you guys still don't know who / what Roxy is I'm going to facepalm HARD.

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This is what i'm seeing from your scenario Nicholas.

FIrst off, what did we experience last lynch? We experienced a GF lynch. The person showed up as innocent townie, however was a mafia. So by your logic, you're saying that there are clearly no more mafia members who work that way. This can't be guaranteed or ran off of.

On top of this, you're saying we're guaranteed at least two mislynches. Based off of what?


We lose two people everyday we lynch (incorrectly that is). So, in two -mislynches- we've lost four people. IF we have -survivor- indy still here, they can cause havoc and leave us at a standstill of 2v2
 

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considering we know two correct role names. We should lynch Scamp off of those. He's the only one different between them all.

Bad logic i know.. but yeah..
 

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Both Nick and Sold2 claim to be "ordinary citizens / civilians" while Virg said his role name was "Vanilla Townie". Odd.

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So just to make this clear, you're claiming "ordinary civilian"? If so, I can see Kiki changing the names of vanilla to spice up their claims.

Also, Gheb: what is the point of saying "If you guys don't realize who Roxy is I'll be pissed"? We are all ready in a mass claim heading towards endgame; just say what you think of people instead of alluding to it. We aren't playing "I think I pieced something together and am smart and now I'll wait on you guys to find it". We're playing mafia.

EE: what's your claim.
 

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Day 4 Vote Count
Virgilijus (2): Gheb_01, Roxy
Scamp (1): Macman

Not voting: Sold2, Nicholas1024, Scamp, Virgilijus, Evil Eye

It takes 5 out of 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, April 24 at 11:59:59 PM ET.
 

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Both Nick and Sold2 claim to be "ordinary citizens / civilians" while Virg said his role name was "Vanilla Townie". Odd.

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I would also like to point out Chibo and Moronik don't have "ordinary citizen/civilian" roles and they were confirmed town.

For reference, they were "plain old townie" and "regular townsperson" respectively. I allready mentioned this before Sold2 claimed and am surprised you two seemed to ignore it.
 

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"Ordinary Civilian" is the name of the role. I'd wait for EE to claim before voting and all guys.
 

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unvote

You are absolutely right Sold2

I think there might be a different between maybe miller/regular townie, however that is all. I take back what i said Virg.
 

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Oh tru. The fact there's even a twilight phase at all suggests there's at least 1 player who has a role that activates during twilight. And all that's left is EE.
 

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Nic said:
Then we lynch Macman, and then EE.
This set off huge red flags for me. I'd like to think I've been one of the most protown people in the game, and I really doubt there are five mafiats in a sixteen-man game.

I may not be in the census, but let's not forget that my credentials consist of pushing the TPK lynch, helping start the swing toward Ryker just before he got modkilled, and turning focus onto KevinM, the godfather, who could have easily slipped through D3 unhindered. I'm well aware that none of this excludes me from being an indy, since the best indy players are often excellent scumhunters, but this dovetails back to the fact that I'm not on the census that tells us where the indy is.

I don't want to lose this game, so be warned, I am not going to roll over and let myself be mislynched just because Nic of all people suggested it. Fuck. That.

Ugh. Rolling dumb or scum indy in my head right now. Still leaning town on Nic just because I can't see the indy encouraging the indy to come out when they'd have obviously already done so if they weren't a town threat.



Now for my claim:

I am the Watcher With Eyes on the Back of My Head. Each night I can choose to watch someone and blah blah. You know how watchers work. The difference is that I will also see anyone that visits me, and I won't be able to tell the difference... I just get a list of whom I've seen that night.

I crumbed this role veeeery lightly on D1, when I noted that it seemed obvious to me that the theme of this game is unusual experiments and consequences. Or something similar.


Sadly, I haven't been quite as good a power role user as I have a scumhunter. Then again, the alleged lack of antitown kills on N1/2 certainly confused me, but I'll say more on that momentarily. Anyway, here are my reports:

N1: I watched Moronik. I felt that not only had he/they been very protown on D1, but I had also made a subtle effort to buddy him, while trying to cast suspicions of however many degrees in pretty much every direction but his.

I saw Fatchu and Roxy. When Roxy breadcrumbed that he "could do some explaining", I knew he was the voteblocker, for that reason. I can't say for sure if Fatchu visited me or Moronik.

N2: I visited Moronik again. I was **** positive he'd be killed that night, as Marshy and Ronike are both on that tier that's worth killing off just for player skill and reputation, and they had pushed the lynch off of Roxy and toward Paprika. I saw no one.

When Xonar died I was actually considering that we had a town mirrorblocker or something.


N3: I watched Gheb. After Kevmo's various attempts to throw Gheb in the fire, it seemed like Gheb was a clear kill. I'm especially surprised Moronik was killed, considering he was off the godfather lynch, and didn't help it in the slightest. One of the few things I've noticed about Marshyscum is flat out disappearing when his back is to the wall and a partner is under fire, so it wasn't that good of a kill. A good argument could have been made that Moronik had bused Pap and Ryker, the latter of whom was dying anyway, and then avoided the Kevin push hoping it would sort itself out and go elsewhere.

At any rate, I saw no one on N3.


This put us in an interesting position, going forward. Obviously I'm a **** juicy kill, but we have the benefit of coordination, now. If even the one indy in the Census group and Macman were both indy, we could still afford a voteblock. Minus two is six, minus one for voteblock is five, so that's still 3 v 2.

Thus I think it would be good for Roxy to doc me tonight and myself to watch him.



Now, moving on. First of all, stop pushing for fast lynches. On a scale of 1-10, how badly do you doofuses want to lose this game? Because before all the unvoting, it was looking like a solid eleven. We have time left, and now is the most crucial time to use it. I'm going to try to get full reread in this weekend and track voting patterns, lynch pushes, and everything else. I'd encourage you all to do the same -- we have a lot of flips to work with, now.

I'm also surprised no one has mentioned the lack of a double kill at any point this game -- not even Scamp, which I can't help but narrow my eyes at. How would it be in mafia benefit to no-kill every night? N2 it might have been intercepted by Xonar's vigging (though I think the mafia kill usually gets priority in that situation), but N1 we had only a vig death.

My best guess is that the mafia didn't have the power to kill until Scamp hit one of them, if you take Scamp at his word. However, this would have to balance. Perhaps there is, in fact, a fifth mafioso. Or perhaps I'm completely and utterly off. I'd like to hear some thoughts on this.

D2 was also pretty unusual. I was positive that had been unlocked by a power, presumably protown, but apparently it was just a one-time game mechanic? Strange.
 

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So each day so far had a twilight but we have no twilight role at all? Am I the only one who's confused by this?

Sold2, I think you're lying about your claim. I know it wouldn't make sense for you to do but all this time I was so sure that you were the governor. The very first twilight of this game was never ended by the governor's call - it ended automatically after the 24 hour time period. Pierre (aka your playerslot) was the only inactive player at that time so I assumed that it had to be you. Everybody else posted at that time or was active shortly before the lynch.

Why is there a deadline each day when we have no twilight roles in this game? Something doesn't add up. We either still have a vengeful role here or somebody's not telling the truth (despite governor making no sense as indy at all).

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Last paragraph is poorly worded - why would each day have a twilight when there are no roles to be used at that time?

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EE, look back at Rockin's role. Rockin was the "Double Time Townie" or something. Him dying is what set it off, I imagine. Scamp wasn't forced to kill apparently, so that's double odd to me. Had Scamp simply held his shots, would the mafia never be able to nKill, and only able to win through lynches? That just sounds really off to me.

I was surprised by the lack of talk about nKill at all, not just double nKill. It was odd that only people who looked anti-town were dying, and not someone like you, but I guess Scamp's role explain it.

Nice role btw.
 

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Also Mafia twilight role sounds right.

Look at Ryker's role. "Procrastinator." That sounds like it could be a mafia aligned governor type role to me. Or maybe it makes the lynch happen the next day instead. Or perhaps the bomber role could take someone with him during twilight.

Maybe the remaining scum has a role similar to this and hasn't used it yet.
 

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gheb, I am facepalming at you trying to meta sold2s role.

Also I doubt we're gonna lose with only 1 indy left which is why I just wanna quicklynch scamp and see what happens.
 

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Mafia Twilight Role.
You think there's a 5th mafioso?

Also Mafia twilight role sounds right.
You think there's a 5th mafioso?

Look at Ryker's role. "Procrastinator." That sounds like it could be a mafia aligned governor type role to me. Or maybe it makes the lynch happen the next day instead. Or perhaps the bomber role could take someone with him during twilight.
He died long ago though. Why would Kiki announce a Twilight phase every day when the assumed role is already dead? He wouldn't be waiting for any command making the whole twilight obsolete.

Maybe the remaining scum has a role similar to this and hasn't used it yet.
That's the only thing I can imagine that's left. Now the thing is that I can't think of any twilight power that would correspond to the win condition of an indy.

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