Unintended Consequences Mafia: The Saga Concludes

[Purple]

I'm going to be honest, this setup grows boring, i feel that we're getting no where with this vote, or with these questions.

 

[KevinM]

Completely fine with a Macman lynch if we're not sold on EE, don't like him trying to discredit my post with bull**** metagaming about how I won a game as an SK.

Completely different, their imo is a high possibility we're still dealing with scum I just find it hard to believe we've already nailed one night killing anti-town faction and the fact that I want to look for scum and EE tried to instantly discredit that worries me.

However I'm fine with riding either wagon.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Roxy, what do you mean by not getting anywhere. Explain a little bit.

 

[Evil Eye]

Completely fine with a Macman lynch if we're not sold on EE, don't like him trying to discredit my post with bull**** metagaming about how I won a game as an SK.

Excuse me?

Pretty sure you tried to discredit my post, and to top it off you didn't put a single word of logic behind it. You just said "haburrrr stupid". You flat out said that we shouldn't hunt for the indy.

The fact that you just won as an SK, an independent role, is not "bull**** metagaming." It's 195% goddam relevant metagaming. You just won as an antitown indy in a game where town couldn't win without killing you, and you're telling us not to hunt for the indy. Think about it. Think about it.

Think. About. It.

Also dislike how you're treating me like some well-thought out lynch candidate when literally all you have against me is a twisting of my words in this post and a 0% substance backhand in your last. I'm not standing for that. This is the same BS you tried in Monster Mafia, trying to insidiously convince people that X is scummy without doing any of the work in scumhunting.

This is something I've seen Kevin do a lot as a bad guy. As endgame approaches, particularly against the ropes, he starts to try to insidiously set up several mislynches. The rationale is obvious -- riskiness be damned, it's the only way to scrape out a win. Look at what he's setting up here... I mentioned the slippery slope if we lynch Gheb. If Macman flips town Kev is almost certainly going to gun for me tomorrow, and then if we both (or at least I) flip town, he'll probably gun for Gheb. Am I seriously the only one concerned by this?

And frankly, I think I've been more protown than you have, Kevmo.

Completely different, their imo is a high possibility we're still dealing with scum I just find it hard to believe we've already nailed one night killing anti-town faction

Why? What about Scrubs mafia, where town won N2? A game you played? In which you were town? This game is on D3, and we've killed the same number of bad guys. Yes, it's a larger game. But hey, Scrubs didn't have an indy. I think it's just as likely that we've taken out the last of the mafia and that the indy is what needs to be dealt with as that there is scum left.

Why did you flat out try to discourage indy hunting at all? If there's scum left, it's probably Macman, but I'm 99% positive that even if there is scum left, and we lynch them, the game is going to continue, and then people will be wishing we didn't jump to dumbass conclusions as fast as possible and act on them just as fast, before talking out as much useful information as we can.

the fact that I want to look for scum and EE tried to instantly discredit that worries me.

Nice spin, doctor (one, two, princes kneel befooore you...)

I took a stance on where I think we should be looking. It's you that flat-out tried to discredit a whole line of no doubt game-necessary analysis and hunting. Not me. I reasoned out why I think we should look at the indy. Nope, the only baseless discrediting that went down here came from your side of the picket, bub.

However I'm fine with riding either wagon.

PS there's no EE wagon kthxdie.




This whole exchange has made me much more wary of Kevmo, but he has made it his mission to stick up for bad guys and attack me randomly in endgame in Scrubs, and as town there, I hold out the possibility here. Still, I'm seeing serious trickles of Monster Mafia Kev and I rarely get any kind of relevant read on him based on prior games, so I'm not going to ignore it.

However I do have someone saddling a tad higher for my indy-suspect. Possibly a bit less now, given that bad guy-lookin' post from Kevmo, but he can't help himself so eh.

@Kevmo: So why did you point at Sold2 if you're so set against indyhunting, hmm?


Now then. As I've said before, of the Three I clearly have the most reason to be wary of slippery-sloping our way through them, since I know I'm town and the two remaining are the guy who brought all that information out in the first place, and somebody I had a town read on before and whom I thought seemed clear in lieu of TPK's flip.

(And on that note, it was TPK's flip. Come on now. Fatchu was all over the place, but on a reread he makes a hell of a lot more sense as town, while TPK made none. Meanwhile TPK dropped a fakeclaim that would definitely draw a nightkill if he was cleared and survived, while whatever he had would no doubt be less of a bullseye.)

So yes, obviously I have every reason to be wary of this course of action potentially losing us the game. With a win so close, I'd like to protect us from bulldogging our way through townies and presenting our assses to whatever bad guys are left, thanks. And from my point of view, this looks more dangerous than it would to Gheb. I won't bother addressing Mac's POV, as it's obvious he's ducking out again. God dammit.

So I'd like anyone beginning to grow suspicious of me to read this post over, then go back over my exchange with Kevmo again. It wasn't me trying to discredit any form of bad guy hunting, it was him. Getting mislynched for a point I noted about someone else would incense me like nothing else, so please don't fall for his nonsense. Which, whatever allignment Kev may be, is exactly what his argument is.


Will I lynch Macman? Absolutely. If there's scum left in the Three then he is astronomically more likely than Gheb, and contrary to all-too-popular belief I can change my mind or see that my reads have been wrong. However we have another week of discussion left to us. A week! If I'm right about the indy, and I probably am, shouldn't we at the very least discuss it as much as we can instead of charging blindly into Night and disregarding our extension? Where's the protown sentiment in the latter course of action?

And that's not all there is to discuss, either. We can talk about other subjects like what we just have, about vig directing (against; SK [if that's what they are] can just follow our orders and then we've got nowhere to go), about what to do if Macman flips town, and numerous other things. Indy-hunting, which is important is only part of what we have left to discuss.

 

[Virgilijus]

Was KevinM town or mafia in Monster Mafia?

I agree with you to a great extent EE; I've been suspicious of KevMo for a while. I am also willing to lynch Macman for a lot of reasons I have listed before.

Ronike: I'm just hunting for people that are playing anti town. Maybe it's too simplistic, but that's my strategy.

 

[Virgilijus]

Was KevinM town or mafia in Monster Mafia?

I agree with you to a great extent EE; I've been suspicious of KevMo for a while. I am also willing to lynch Macman for a lot of reasons I have listed before.

Ronike: I'm just hunting for people that are playing anti town. Maybe it's too simplistic, but that's my strategy.

 

[Evil Eye]

Kevmo was very mafia.

I'm actually not sure how you could read that post without that in mind, heh, but my bad for taking that for granted as common knowledge.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

SWF was down in my "prime time" but it seems like most people didn't get to post anyways. KevMo / Macman can die.

Vote Kevin M

 

[Purple]

Hey gheb, we're agreeing on things.

are we lynching kevinM first?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

so if we're eventually gonna lynch both kevin and I, then I rather go first since I don't wanna be in the situation i was in, in Kevin's Game.

 

[Scamp]

Macman do you even want to play this game?

 

[DtJ S2n]

Hey Roxy, we're agreeing on things.

Kevim and Macman lynch are both fine with me but I'd prefer Macman at the time being, even without using the Three logic.

 

[Purple]

**** yo lynch
vote: macman

 

[Kirby King]

Day 3 Vote Count
Macman (4): Scamp, Nicholas1024, Sold2, Roxy
KevinM (1): Gheb_01

Not voting: Moronik, Macman, KevinM, Virgilijus, Evil Eye

It takes 6 out of 10 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, April 11 at 11:59:59 PM ET.

 

[Purple]

anybody dead yet?

 

[Evil Eye]

Rush the day less, thanks.

@Kev answer me and stuff. Crappy server stuff gets you off on the time lapse on the response I guess.

@Virg expound upon your suspicion of Kevin. What is he? Why is he?

@Moronik I'm sure you've done some of that rereading by now. Who's indy?

@Mac You're probably dying toDay so can you please do some stuff.

 

[Evil Eye]

@Roxy who's the indy.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Indy hunting is hard. Kevmo / Moronik remind me of indies the most mainly because their connections to most other players are pretty weak. They feel kind of like isolated units within the game.

 

[Purple]

EE, i would think the Indy is potentially Macman, with a one-day kill.

 

[Purple]

Macman is pretty unrelated if you think about it, besides for the pressure we put on him when he didn't do anything.

 

[Purple]

Hmmm....... ****. I really don't know who Moronik or Sold2 are.

 

[Virgilijus]

Roxy: do you have a posting restriction where you have to post the most?

If not, then I would recommend gathering your thoughts before posting.

 

[Purple]

I apologize for that, but i can't edit my posts, and I suddenly think of things before each post happens.

 

[Evil Eye]

Try again, Roxy. Macman's one of the Three.

That doesn't mean he can't be an additional indy, but I thought it was pretty obvious what I meant by "the indy".

Virg answer me pweaaaaase.

 

[Purple]

Hence my (i think third) post of the three consecutive ones, i can't really tell between moronik and Sold2, however i feel sold2 is a bit more town than moronik.

 

[Moronik]

Indy hunting is hard. Kevmo / Moronik remind me of indies the most mainly because their connections to most other players are pretty weak. They feel kind of like isolated units within the game.

@bolded wouldnt this kind of thinking apply to anyone on the tpk wagon?

i feel sold2 is a bit more town than moronik.

this is HORRIBLY wrong on so many levels

vote nick

 

[Evil Eye]

ooo

Vote Nick

 

[DtJ S2n]

Macman is pretty unrelated if you think about it, besides for the pressure we put on him when he didn't do anything.

One-day kill indy wouldn't make any sense imo. Would that be like Survivor + Poisoner?

Also why Nick over Macman or even Kevim?

 

[Purple]

better yet, why ISN'T he >:]

no srsly.

 

[Virgilijus]

@Virg expound upon your suspicion of Kevin. What is he? Why is he?

My suspicion of KevMo is fairly straight forward; he has slid by so far because people know he is a good player, yet he has contributed almost nothing to this game. One line posts saying some one can go but not stating why give me the feel of Indy, though I wouldn't say it's concrete.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Hey guys. Now that crashboards seems to be up for good (at least I hope so this time), I need to reread a bit and see if that changes my view of the game. Might not be too active this week though, GRE exam on Saturday ATM my main suspicions are Macman (by process of elimination as I've repeatedly exclaimed), and I agree with Virg that KevinM would be a good target if Macman flips town.

@EE,Moronik
Got any reasons for those votes?

 

[Evil Eye]

My suspicion of KevMo is fairly straight forward; he has slid by so far because people know he is a good player, yet he has contributed almost nothing to this game. One line posts saying some one can go but not stating why give me the feel of Indy, though I wouldn't say it's concrete.

Alright. What differentiates him from Macman, against whom you pushed a lynch for the same reasons?

 

[Evil Eye]

Also answer my questions Moronik.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Also why Nick over Macman or even Kevim?

If the play is one of the three, I'd say Macman personally. Process of elimination for the most part.

Hey guys. Now that crashboards seems to be up for good (at least I hope so this time), I need to reread a bit and see if that changes my view of the game. Might not be too active this week though, GRE exam on Saturday ATM my main suspicions are Macman (by process of elimination as I've repeatedly exclaimed), and I agree with Virg that KevinM would be a good target if Macman flips town.

@EE,Moronik
Got any reasons for those votes?

my words ._.

 

[KevinM]

Why are we going Nick over Mac again?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

EE, i would think the Indy is potentially Macman, with a one-day kill.

Even though that's not what EE meant it's a reasonable thought. Claiming to have a kill PR used on a scumbag looks like a decent tactic for an indie to coast his way to the win.

@bolded wouldnt this kind of thinking apply to anyone on the tpk wagon?

Uhm....no

this is HORRIBLY wrong on so many levels

Uhm...no

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Even though that's not what EE meant it's a reasonable thought. Claiming to have a kill PR used on a scumbag looks like a decent tactic for an indie to coast his way to the win.

This is pretty dumb cuz i'd have to have known TPK was mafia in order for this to make sense.

I think there are quite a few reasons to think i'm mafia, but not very many[or any at all] to think i'm indy.

don't really know why I'm posting...

whats the basis behind the nick votes?

vote: kevinM (i'm not being a hypocrite)

 

[Purple]

Alright. What differentiates him from Macman, against whom you pushed a lynch for the same reasons?

I kind of feel like answering this question myself.

I feel Macman's role was extremely convenient. A bit too convenient for that matter. We're assuming at this point that TPK was the mafia that showed up, not fatchu; he added nothing to town after his fate was sealed that he would die (he promised long posts, FoS's, etc. but never brought them to the plate). While it was a stretch and he knows it, Macman's plea was to have TPK governed (to prove his role as miller poisoner), and that they did not lynch him as 2nd lynch.

To me it just sounds like he wanted both of them alive and another random townie dead, (perhaps his role actually does have something to do with mafia and one-hit kill, which would continue with him killing another townie the preceding day) then during the night the mafia as a whole would kill a townie. Giving three three town losses to no mafia loses. Regardless if Macman was to die the next day, he would've put mafia in a -huge- advantage.

NOW! Assuming the flip was actually fatchu being mafia, macman's role could be potentially clear. Now that i'm thinking about it, fatchu might be mafia. His role was stalker, which is generally known as a role where a mafia chooses a person and learns their role the next day. while fatchu had many FoS's, he stuck onto TPK, perhaps he knew tpk's (matchmaker) role?

 

[Purple]

hmmmm...

i'm feeling pretty good about macman right about now :/..

uugh, kevinM gives more scum vibes than him.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Macman's plea was to have TPK governed (to prove his role as miller poisoner), and that they did not lynch him as 2nd lynch.

i've never condoned this

also i doubt it would make sense for fatchu to be mafia. Theres no reason for tpk to lie about his role