Unintended Consequences Mafia: The Saga Concludes

[Evil Eye]

Dead mafiat, no dead townie. No double deaths up to now, so SK is pretty unlikely. Could be Xonar was a townie and targeted by some weird janitor-esque ability, but that's just speculation.

Could be we've got four mafiats, could be indy/townie shenanigans at play here. What does everybody think of a mass claim in order of scumminess? We could do the old "everybody pick three suspects to claim" trick, tally up and go from there. Barring some serious weirdness I think a town win is right around the corner.

 

[Kirby King]

Don't post if you're dead. At all.

 

[Virgilijus]

Vote: Scamp

Could the very accommodating mod update the vote count, please?

 

[Kirby King]

Day 3 Vote Count
No votes.

Not voting: Moronik, Sold2, Gheb_01, Macman, KevinM, Nicholas1024, Scamp, Roxy, Virgilijus, Evil Eye

It takes 6 out of 10 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, April 9 at 11:59:59 PM ET.

 

[Virgilijus]

Thank you, VAM.

 

[DtJ S2n]

I'm cool with mass claim, as long as it accomplishes something. Most of the roles have been pretty iffy and hard to confirm so far, so idk how much it'll help.

Also, I'm assuming TPK was the stalker mafia and fatchu was the matchmaker, considering neither of those roles sound like a delayed cop.

Virg, you seem to have known that your vote wouldn't happen, why?

 

[Virgilijus]

I received a PM from Kiki saying I was feeling dizzy and my votes wouldn't count. Decided to test it out.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

NOBODY CLAIM YET!!!

Everybody, listen up. I am the town alligned census taker. Once during the game at night I can request Kiki to take a census of a lynch votecount for me. I did so with the Pap lynch this night (since I thought he's more likely scum than Fatchu) and I got the following result:

6 townies
1 mafioso
1 indy

These are the allignments of the players who voted Pap yesterDay. If you look at it you'll see that only one mafioso was among them - and we already have the flip of a mafioso who was on the Pap lynch, which was Xonar.

THAT MEANS THAT ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS, WHO VOTED FOR TPK YESTERDAY ARE NOT MAFIA.

That means that since you also have my claim the play is between Ryker, Macman, Roxy and EE. We also know that at least one indy is in the game and that he voted for Pap yesterDay.

Vote Roxy

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i think i'm the most suspicious in the group by far
but w/e

vote: ryker

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Go go gadget anti-town

 

[Purple]

vote:ryker

let's kill em, or macman, whichever

 

[Purple]

as a matter of fact, do you think we have a mislynch?

 

[Evil Eye]

What the hell, guys. Ryker is dead.

And Gheb, your list of "who the play is" makes no sense at all. Literally none. For starters, the indy could be an antitown threat that has to be removed before the town will win, secondly, your picks ("Ryker, Macman, Roxy and EE.") seem completely random. Ryker is dead. Roxy was on the lynch. Macman and I were not (in the latter case only because I couldn't be). And lots of people were not on that lynch. For all we know, all the mafia are dead, and the indy is what needs to be removed. Explain yourself, because despite your illuminating claim you managed to make surprisingly little sense. Seems to me like you're mixing and intertwining your opinion into concrete information, which is dumb and a bad idea.


So, six townies, one mafiat, one indy.

The Paprika Killer (8): Scamp, Moronik, Xonar, KevinM, Sold2, Virgilijus, Nicholas1024, Roxy

@People on this count: Who's the indy in here?

 

[Evil Eye]

This is everyone that didn't vote for Paprika that is still alive.

3. Gheb_01
5. Macman
15. Evil Eye

Thus, from my point of view, the play assuming that there is a mafiat left, and that the indy is not the play, is Macman or Gheb.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Agreed with EE. Another interesting tidbit to reinforce that point, is that although Macman and Gheb were not on the TPK-scum lynch, they were on both mislynches.

 

[DtJ S2n]

I received a PM from Kiki saying I was feeling dizzy and my votes wouldn't count. Decided to test it out.

EE, did you get this too?

The indy on the TPK lynch is not me. Or Xonar I guess.
Also, on that list of people who didn't vote TPK, do you mean at the end of the lynch or just sometime during the day?

Not voting: Macman, The Paprika Killer, Roxy, Virgilijus, Evil Eye

If you meant at the end of the lynch, you missed Roxy and Virg.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

EE, if you assume that I'm telling the truth about my role why'd you think I'm a play? I took the final votecount from Kiki's post (1117) and saw that Ryker was voting Nick. Macman, Roxy, Pap and EE (voteblocked) weren't voting at all while me and Fatchu were voting for Roxy. The rest was voting for Pap.

The dead players from that list are Ryker, Pap, Fatchu and Xonar.

If you believe my claim then I'm not a play. The rest of the Pap wagon is clear from being mafia. Macman, Roxy, and EE are the only players left then. Which makes one of them 3 the play and I still think it's Roxy.

However, Ijust checked the votecount and I saw some mistakes such as Virg being noted twicce - once voting Pap and once not voting at all. Maybe there was a slight mistake on Kiki's part but I still think the census is correct.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Voteblocker, stop doing it if you're town.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

OK well I'm not scum.
so the only other choices are roxy and EE?

@mod: is that votecount correct?

 

[Evil Eye]

I did get a notification, yeah. I feigned ignorance to try to scoop up possible tells from the general populace as to the likely culprit and their allignment. Low-risk, low-reward, but worth pursuing. I believe it was identical to what Virg described, I'll doublecheck.

Gheb you're a play simply because I can't just assume you're town for the mere fact that your power makes sense. Hell, it's not even confirmed. For all I know, this is an amazing gambit. Furthermore, I'm somewhat wary of a cult and other Super-Indy shenanigans, since we again had only one death last night and it was mafia.

As I said, we may have killed all the mafia and the Indy may well be all that is left. And Roxy was in Pap's lynch, so you're still not making sense when you keep pushing on him by virtue of your census. I'm not a Roxy fan at all, but you're misreading or... something. Following your own logic and power, Roxy is clear from being mafia.

 

[Evil Eye]

@Virg: Is your account about feeling dizzy more or less the words KiKi used, or a paraphrase?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

In 1117 Roxy is counted as "not voting" too. I'll re-evaluate once Kiki fixed that because it also said that he in fact was on the lynch.

Unvote

As for the cult ... I doubt it. If there's a cult why would only 1 of them be on a succesful lynch? Maybe all of the mafia is dead already ... yeah that could be the case. We might be hunting after individual indy fractions. We have a dead Stalker (boss PR) and some other mafia PRs. Could be true.

One thing though: How would my power even make sense for anything else than a town PR? My role is more or less that of an investigator and scum would have literallyhave no benefit from knowing who's mafia and who's not - because they already do.

 

[Purple]

AM I CLEAR?!

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Gheb

You could be lying. You're result has said that there's no mafia and one indy among the wagon. Now, for a mafia, that's not exactly a hard result to fake. You'd already know if there were any of your scumbuddies on the wagon, and claiming one indy among 7 people isn't risky.

 

[Evil Eye]

Well, if there's a cult, depending on game balance, there would only be two of them on D2. However, with only three people alive that weren't voting at the time, I guess we can file that into the bottom tier of likelihood. I'm just trying to stop you from tunneling hard, which you are, on one course of action. Especially when this could cost us the game. After all, town needs three lynches to 100% confirm that it's the indy we have to go after, if all three of us are town.

Your power would be decent for an indy, by the way. However, not an indy that needs to be last man standing, though, so eh. I'm just trying to maintain reasonable doubt, but I believe your claim for the most part. But if there's even 1% doubt on my part, I'm going to keep an open mind.

 

[Purple]

Sounds like Gheb is scum.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Really Roxy? Although it is possible, I highly doubt mafia would make such a risky move when they've already lost 3 members. And it's also risky for an indy. No, I agree with EE that although there's a chance Gheb is scum, he's probably town.

 

[Kirby King]

The vote count for Day 2 (Lynch 1) in post 1117 has been corrected to remove Virgilijus and Roxy from the "Not voting" line.


Day 3 Vote Count
No votes.

Not voting: Moronik, Sold2, Gheb_01, Macman, KevinM, Nicholas1024, Scamp, Roxy, Virgilijus, Evil Eye

It takes 6 out of 10 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, April 9 at 11:59:59 PM ET.

 

[Evil Eye]

Mmm. There's a chance he's antitown-alligned, but that's too speculative to pursue today. As for Gheb directing us to the three nonvoters, eh. Again, mixing in way too much of his opinion into the concrete information... but getting ahead of himself is very common to townGheb. So I'm not calling that scummy. If he's scum, that was certainly his objective, but I'm not calling it a scum tactic right now.

@Everyone not in the Three: If one of us is the play, who's scum? Why?

@All: Should we be focusing on the Three, or trying to hunt the indy in Gheb's census?

Both of these questions assume Gheb's censusing claim to be true -- not the town part, just the census. Note that before responding.

 

[Purple]

We should -never- just focus on a few people, but always look at the big picture. From that purpose alone, we should try both options before the day is done, assuming everyone has lurked this thread, the fact that indy is not out could tell that the indy is in fact anti-town.

 

[Evil Eye]

Roxy, you're one of the people to whom my questions were directed. However I'd agree that it looks like this indy is antitown.

 

[Moronik]

i vote no to massclaim. if we do go through with it id prefer doing it popcorn style

also tpk was the stalker considering he claimed exhausted cop

i wonder if xonar specifically mentioning anti-town as opposed to scum in his bah post was a slip

gheb your power would make sense from a scum perspective cuz its a good claim and tips off scum to an indy

i wonder how viable itd be to lynch you to be sure

indy hunting sounds awful. gotta dwell/reread/talk to ronike

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

i wonder if xonar specifically mentioning anti-town as opposed to scum in his bah post was a slip

 

[Virgilijus]

Dead people do not talk.

 

[Evil Eye]

Can everyone stop ignoring my questions kthx.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Your power would be decent for an indy, by the way. However, not an indy that needs to be last man standing, though, so eh.

If that's the case then how am I a threat to the town at all? There are 3 mafiosi dead already, which is the only other fraction I could joint win with. At this point - even if I was that indy - the only choice I have (if I was indy) is to joint with town so I'm still not a threat.

As for Gheb directing us to the three nonvoters, eh. Again, mixing in way too much of his opinion into the concrete information...

I agree with this. I just wanted to present my results but I didn't consider that the mafia could already be eliminated. When I got the PM with the results and then saw Xonar dead I was like "wow, we have like a 1/3 chance to hit mafia GUARANTEED". I got a bit more hyped than I actually should have.

i wonder if xonar specifically mentioning anti-town as opposed to scum in his bah post was a slip

Elaborate.

gheb your power would make sense from a scum perspective cuz its a good claim and tips off scum to an indy

Not sure what you're trying to get at. If you imply that the mafia can have "indy cops" then it still wouldn't correspond too well with my power. Tha vast majority of the information I obtain with my power is how the townies vote (something scum knows). A few of these votes also are from scum but that's already a minority (and scum would still know).

The only thing it could help doing for the mafia is to see where the independent players vote but that's not a lot because the vast majority of the obtained info doesn't help the mafia to find the indies at all and is essentially just abudant.

i wonder how viable itd be to lynch you to be sure

A better question: Is it even worth it to mislynch me just to be sure? The only thing that lynching me will confirm is that there was one independent alligned voting for Pap.

I don't think that's worth a mislynch.

indy hunting sounds awful.

Agreed. There are not many connection to base things off of.

 

[Purple]

I really want to lynch gheb still for my reasons listed beforehand.

 

[Kirby King]

I understand that my previous note about the rules may have been ambiguous. To clarify,

IF YOU ARE DEAD SHUT THE **** UP.

 

[Evil Eye]

I really want to lynch gheb still for my reasons listed beforehand.

Seriously?

Let's take another peek at your reasons.

Sounds like Gheb is scum.

...yeah. It's endgame. Stop being ******** on purpose. The comment you made before that one was actually intelligent and made a solid point that lended credence to indy-hunting. This was worthless, and with your current playstyle you actually hurt your case by suggesting things in an aggressively vapid manner.

To quote Die Hard 2, shut the **** up and do something useful.

 

[Evil Eye]

And I reiterate,

@Everyone not in the Three: If one of us is the play, who's scum? Why?

@All: Should we be focusing on the Three, or trying to hunt the indy in Gheb's census?

Both of these questions assume Gheb's censusing claim to be true -- not the town part, just the census. Note that before responding.