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[redfeatherraven]

if villagers stick is a Club

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Well, a box of Scooby Snacks costs substantially more than $3.67.

Wait. Where was I going with this?

...y'know.

I suddenly have a distinct craving for fruit snacks.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I actually got back, but

WHAT ARE YOU ALL WAITING FOR?! Let's do this!

 

[ClaTheBae]

I should point out I’m joking man, yeah different upbringings different results

I assume everyone here is joking. Nothing any of you can say would actually anger me or anything, you're strangers on a smash brothers website.

Literally none of you matter.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm not really well-versed enough in politics to get deeply involved in discussions about them, so there's that.

And besides, I dislike the toxicity they bring. Like, I get that it's important to have an idea of what's hopefully best for your country, but I don't come to this video game community site to argue or debate something that serious and political. I'm perfectly willing to discuss important and serious matters around these parts, but I make an exception for politics. I'm barely qualified to be talking about them to begin with, so I more or less steer clear of them.

 

[Wademan94]

It would give him Puppy Power.

Again, I fail to see how this would be helpful.

 

[Noipoi]

After finishing my waffles the syrup was in the same shape as Isle Delfino.

It's a sign, Mario Sunshine Switch port confirmed.

 

[Alternis]

Honestly the reason why I like tf2 better is because there is less stressful. If you mess up and or a teammate messes up in overwatch, it's pretty bad since you are 1/6 of your team. In tf2, usually there are more people, so less responsibility falls on you, unless you play comp or something. Also sometimes the game breaks down in taunt parties, only to go back to fighting 30 seconds later.

I can't really speak for comp for either game, but at a casual level I TF2 enjoy much more.

I get that. I pretty much exclusively play mystery heroes for that reason, lol. I started playing back in 2011, so I often get a nostalgia itch to play it again.

Edit: for a fun fact, the Uber Update went live the day after my birthday, so I ended getting for free a game I thought I had to buy. I was damn happy, haha.

 

[Moydow]

And these sides will be proven invalid through debate. That is the point.

Edit: what Swamp said

I mean, if someone's argument is "trans/non-binary people shouldn't exist", and they know exactly the offence or upset they're causing with that, I'm not really going to be too keen on trying to reason with them. They're not going to be interested in debating or learning more about us or whatever, they just want a platform to continue spewing that garbage - why should I have to entertain that? It gets tiring pretty quickly when people say they want to debate what rights we should have, giving this stuff a platform just validates the idea that our basic human rights are something we have to earn, instead of being entitled to like anyone else. If someone just wants to learn more about the matter then that's fine, but it's still not really something suited to debating.

 

[Deleted member]

I agree.

But how can they be shown they aren't valid if no one steps up to oppose them?

I've heard the argument that giving those opinions a platform shouldn't happen, but I've found it just leaves them unopposed and lets them fester.

Look at it this way. You don't just leave a bully alone, right? You either confront them or report them to authority. You don't just ignore them and let them get worse.

That is not a simple debate, that is just exposing them for their evils.
It is like arresting a criminal and making them admit to their crimes.
It is different from thinking what the weather is going to be like, exposing the bad side is not just a debate.
I do agree that we should make the invalid side never want to side with their opinion again, but they should not be treated like they are fair and equal.

 

[Pyra]

I assume everyone here is joking. Nothing any of you can say would actually anger me or anything, you're strangers on a smash brothers website.

Literally none of you matter.

Yeah well you should see how many times this week I’ve been yelled at for not slapping a big ol’ “THIS IS A ****POST” disclaimer on my every paragraph

 

[Teeb147]

What's new?

Debates? They can be worthwhile discussions, but when they're not well structured and it's just people fighting immaturely for a point it gets tiring pretty fast.

 

[Noipoi]

Oh **** are we having a POLITICAL DISCUSSION?

 

[Opossum]

While we're on a vaguely-tangentially related subject, **** zero tolerance policies in public schools. A kid shouldn't get the same punishment as the perpetrator for fighting back. If the bully didn't want his bones broken he shouldn't have started ****. If the school gets sued, they should've stopped the problem earlier.

This post is totally unrelated to something that happened to a friend of mine in middle school almost ten years ago.

 

[redfeatherraven]

I find debating the act of debating hilarious.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You give them a platform to speak and that just lets them find others who agree with them. If you prevent them from speaking their toxic ideology, you invalidate it by default.

It's not invalidated. It remains and spreads through other methods.

If you normalize that sort of ideology by giving people a platform, people won't be able to distinguish it from unharmful ones.

It's already normalized Shish. It has been normalized for generations. We are already past that point. You don't quell that kind of stuff but ignoring it and shutting it down.

You confront it head on through logic and appeals to emotion.

Can't believe I'm having to post this again already but

SINCE WHEN DO SIDES OF DEBATES HAVE TO HAVE COMMON GROUND?!?

Like... Debate clubs have clear winners... What the **** is this idea that it has to end in compromise?

This comic falls victim to some major logical fallacies.

 

[Cyn]

A few things I'll respond to, without quoting for now.

1) Because this is a general thread, most if not all topics will be given airtime (obviously not the gross stuff, like being a bigot). You obviously have the opportunity to carry out your own conversation, but I also get why people would want more folks to be a part of the conversation.

The only thing is, you just can't force anybody to change subjects just because you want to. I may write an essay and post it, but I can't force anybody to just drop everything and talk about it (even if I wish there was more Smash-centric conversation...it's a general thread.)

2) When it comes to politics, one of the things we've all got to remember is that for some people, their existence has been made political. While I can enjoy my life without being judged, belittled, or turned away, I get to enjoy being a straight white guy. There are absolutely times when, frankly, certain debate topics shouldn't be bothered with, because in that sense, debating on the idea that "trans people should have rights" is silly because transgender people are human beings, just like other human beings who aren't trans.

I think I've maybe met one trans person face to face in my life, but that doesn't mean their problems don't matter.

I understand why folks don't want to talk about certain topics because let's face it, we play games and go to websites about games because we want to escape. No one can really be blamed for wanting to do that. However, just remember that there are folks who can never really escape.

3) On the OTHER side of this discussion, all I will say is this. As a teacher, I've come across a ton of different people (staff and students) who have a myriad of opinions. There are plenty of African American youth that are plenty sexist, homophobic, transphobic, you name it. The world is not so easily convinced that certain people should be equal. It's not as if all minorities in the world are on the same side. It truly and honestly comes down to the individual. I am not saying this to crap on anyone, I'm simply stating my experience. I literally had to explain to a kid at my school, who is notoriously homophobic and sexist, as to why his thought of, "If I tell a woman to get an abortion and she doesn't, I'm leaving her!" A close friend of that student said, "Bruh, if a gay dude sat next to me, I'd move my seat immediately!" After some intense conversation, I convinced them that assuming things about gay men is no different than assuming a black man will steal something. It's ridiculous.

Where am I going with this?

Basically, when two sides are having an argument, and there is no immediate solution, things can get toxic pretty quickly. Research has shown that human beings, when conversing online, typically do not view each other as human beings. When two strangers argue on Facebook, or Smashboards, they will view each other as a picture that makes them angry. This makes them angrier, and then when that "picture" tells them they suck, or are an arsehole, they get even more angry.

Again, where am I going? It's simple.

This thread has shown itself to be very much in support of social justice, and I commend all of you for that. I by no means am advocating for telling bigots that they're ok in their opinions. What I will suggest, is to avoid toxicity when it can be avoided. There are folks who may think terrible things, but that doesn't mean that they can't be convinced.

It's the internet, so it's hard enough to have a real, progressive conversation with strangers. It's just difficult. But that doesn't mean you can't find common ground with folks who could be potential allies.

I was fortunate enough to get real lived experiences around people who are oppressed in various ways. I learned through experience that LGBTQ people are pretty awesome, that black people are awesome, that a ton of people are super cool. Some people aren't as fortunate, and are at home being told by their local news that 15 black men were arrested, and one they see that enough, they think they're all that way.

Maybe I'm an optimist. Maybe that makes me seem like I won't take a side. I support the progression of society until all live equitably, and happily. However, that doesn't mean that I want people who currently think terrible things to suffer. Believe it or not, there are people who think things, and currently don't get why it's a bad thing to think.

Sure, it may be difficult to convince them to change their ways. But it's worth a try. At least, that's what I do on a daily basis. You just have to believe!

Basically, love one another. Every human being is capable of loving. Hatred is taught, and not always by others, but ourselves.

Spoiler: Irony

Also, this post is actually kind of hilarious because of what was discussed earlier about me and TPC being "novelists" or whatever. I don't really necessarily post comments like this for likes. Likes are subjective showings of appreciation for something, and that something can be anything. Likes, just like Upvotes and Downvotes or Karma, are ultimately meaningless, aside from the obvious appreciation people have for your content.

I still think people obsess over them too much, to the point that I think the people posting about them all the time just might place value in them, despite joking about them.

Well said.

I mean, if someone's argument is "trans/non-binary people shouldn't exist", and they know exactly the offence or upset they're causing with that, I'm not really going to be too keen on trying to reason with them. They're not going to be interested in debating or learning more about us or whatever, they just want a platform to continue spewing that garbage - why should I have to entertain that? It gets tiring pretty quickly when people say they want to debate what rights we should have, giving this stuff a platform just validates the idea that our basic human rights are something we have to earn, instead of being entitled to like anyone else. If someone just wants to learn more about the matter then that's fine, but it's still not really something suited to debating.

That is obviously a troll/flame statement and should be treated as such. You're right, a person coming in with that kind of topic is not looking to be proven wrong.

I'm more of the opinion that there could be debate on whether law (a), whose wording in essence denies trans/homosexual/non-binary individuals the right to _______, is constitutional/unconstitutional and/or in violation of human rights. Someone could argue for/against something like that in a civil and structured way.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh **** are we having a POLITICAL DISCUSSION?

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There is a common misconception that political discussion is a bad thing, but I have had many political discussions in school before, and none of the resulted in chaos.

 

[Pyra]

I find debating the act of debating hilarious.

I’m watching team Cyn and team Moy/Shish (they’re alt accounts of each other by how often Moy likes her posts)

It really is a SmashBoards civil war

Anyway the debate is moot because the only person who is ever correct is me

 

[Roberk]

While we're on a vaguely-tangentially related subject, **** zero tolerance policies in public schools. A kid shouldn't get the same punishment as the perpetrator for fighting back. If the bully didn't want his bones broken he shouldn't have started ****. If the school gets sued, they should've stopped the problem earlier.

This post is totally unrelated to something that happened to a friend of mine in middle school almost ten years ago.

Yeah it’s total bull****. What are you supposed to do, let yourself get beat up? It’s such a selfish policy for the school to prioritize not being sued over their students’ safety.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I find debating the act of debating hilarious.

"We heard you like debates, so we started a debate about debates, so you can debate while you debate."

 

[Swamp Sensei]

That is not a simple debate, that is just exposing them for their evils.
It is like arresting a criminal and making them admit to their crimes.
It is different from thinking what the weather is going to be like, exposing the bad side is not just a debate.
I do agree that we should make the invalid side never want to side with their opinion again, but they should not be treated like they are fair and equal.

Debate is a method for exposing bad ideas for what they are Shiny.

Not the end result.

 

[Noipoi]

There is a common misconception that political discussion is a bad thing, but I have had many political discussions in school before, and none of the resulted in chaos.

I just don't like talkin politics because my views would get me crucified

(Note: they involve many squirrels)

 

[Shroob]

I just don't like talkin politics because my views would get me crucified

(Note: they involve many squirrels)

Are the squirrels inside an underground bunker plotting to overthrow the above-ground species via shortage of nut supplies?

 

[Pyra]

Yo someone get the admins in here—- wait

Yo someone get the admin of the admins in here

 

[Noipoi]

Are the squirrels inside an underground bunker plotting to overthrow the above-ground species via shortage of nut supplies?

They've already taken over

 

[Shroob]

They've already taken over

Nah man.

This world-view is

Nut-ty.

 

[Cyn]

I’m watching team Cyn and team Moy/Shish (they’re alt accounts of each other by how often Moy likes her posts)

It really is a SmashBoards civil war

Anyway the debate is moot because the only person who is ever correct is me

I do not view it that way at all. Well, maybe the last part. You are, after all, always correct.

 

[Deleted member]

debating on the idea that "trans people should have rights" is silly because transgender people are human beings, just like other human beings who aren't trans.

Have you seen what life is like for me?
If everyone that knew me knew I was bi, I know for a fact I would be made fun of. Over 99% of people I met are straight, and they often think that people like me are strange. I am made fun of because I am bi already. If straight people are not made fun of because of their sexuality, but people like me are, then of course LGBTQ+ people deserve more rights.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

While we're on a vaguely-tangentially related subject, **** zero tolerance policies in public schools. A kid shouldn't get the same punishment as the perpetrator for fighting back. If the bully didn't want his bones broken he shouldn't have started ****. If the school gets sued, they should've stopped the problem earlier.

This post is totally unrelated to something that happened to a friend of mine in middle school almost ten years ago.

I mean I understand if the victim escalates the violence but like... If I'm punched for no reason other than this guy wants to screw with me, I'm punching him back.


Self defense is legally and morally right.

 

[ClaTheBae]

some call me a master debater

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Yo someone get the admins in here—- wait

Yo someone get the admin of the admins in here

"Everyone, cease this madness."

- Good Guy Giygas, the (Self-Proclaimed) Admin Administrator

 

[Deleted member]

I cannot confirm or deny as that would spark a political discussion and I should not do that.

But I've done a few illegal things in my life. Totally unrelated, of course.

30 years old and still breaking the system

did i ever tell you that you're my hero

 

[Swamp Sensei]

some call me a master debater

I will call you "Bobby Jay" and you will like it.

 

[Hinata]

Yo someone get the admins in here—- wait

Yo someone get the admin of the admins in here

Sorry, but Cyn 's Super Admin program hasn't started yet.

 

[Wademan94]

some call me a master debater

Sounds like messy work.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Have you seen what life is like for me?
If everyone that knew me knew I was bi, I know for a fact I would be made fun of. Over 99% of people I met are straight, and they often think that people like me are strange. I am made fun of because I am bi already. If straight people are not made fun of because of their sexuality, but people like me are, then of course LGBTQ+ people deserve more rights.

shiny I love ya but I have no clue what you're trying to say here my man. This is kinda incoherent

 

[Deleted member]

I never done anything illegal in my life, and I plan to keep it that way.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

some call me a master debater

You had to go there, didn't you?

 

[Deleted member]

You don't put the bully in the same place as the bullied one and ask people "should we let this bully punch this person?"
You give them a platform to speak and that just lets them find others who agree with them. If you prevent them from speaking their toxic ideology, you invalidate it by default.
"Why does no one ever talk about this?"
"Probably because it's wrong."

If you normalize that sort of ideology by giving people a platform, people won't be able to distinguish it from unharmful ones.

Can't believe I'm having to post this again already but

Swamp already kinda said this but there isn't a middle ground on topics like Trans Rights or Nazis being bad because one side is clearly right. That's why finding a middle ground with these people isn't the end goal, it's about getting them to give up on their toxic beliefs entirely. Nothing is solved if you just prevent them from speaking, that'll only make them go where their kind of thinking is acceptable and make the problem even worse.

 

[Alternis]

some call me a master debater

Hello Mr. Cla debater master