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[SuperSonicFlyer]

Earthworm Jim has a strange sort of nostalgia for me, so I'm almost tempted to buy the console

Ditto. Might have to wait and see what other games will be on there before I decide to buy it.

 

[redfeatherraven]

It worked for Wii.

See I knew this'd come up.

There's multiple caveats to the Wii's casual crowd dominance. Three critical ones in fact - the first being that Nintendo is exceptionally skilled at game design and has an exceptionally loyal core base to boot; the second being that the control scheme was radically different and intuitive compared to its competition, at least for non-gamers; and the third and most important being that the casual market was at the time largely unexplored except for perhaps handheld games, a market Nintendo also controlled.

The first case is the one I actually know the least about personally, other than it giving the Wii great staying power over time as at least Nintendo continued to put out quality games. It'd be wrong to say that in a vacuum Ninty can keep itself afloat on first-party alone, because the Wii U didn't bear that out. But it'd also be correct to say that it can help keep them afloat if they're able to turn the tide over time, such as when people began to realize the market the Wii tapped into was exceptionally profitable and developers and publishers began catering to it more seriously. Intellivision has no such skills, or at least none proven, putting it at a major disadvantage by comparison. Even with their statement that they're going to fund developers' efforts to make exclusive games for the console, if the thing doesn't sell solidly that'll fall through over time and they'll have nobody left backing them.

In the meantime, they're offering what is effectively a classic console library. Look at their initial "reimagined" lineup -

• Astrosmash
• Shark! Shark!
• Baseball
• Night Stalker
• Skiing
• Math Fun
• SNAFU
• Utopia
• Frog Bog
• Boxing
• Bowling
• Triple Action
• Tron Deadly Discs
• Cloudy Mountain: Crown of Kings
• Star Strike
• Horse Racing
• Auto Racing
• B-17 Bomber

The offerings from their partners follow similar lines, and they top it off with selections from Atari's classic games catalog.

This places them in a competitive state with the crop of classic consoles - both good and bad. They're aiming for a demographic that is, in their words, looking for something they want to buy for someone else, but not what they want to be told to buy. The stated market plan is in exactly as many words: "That'll shut little Timmy up." There's ways to do that on Kroger shelves for a fraction of their aimed-for $150 to $180 price tag.

Moving on to the second case - the Wii's motion controls worked out mostly because swinging sticks in various contexts, or pointing a remote in others, or simply tracking one's body motions in still others, are all incredibly intuitive things to do.

The Amico is operating on nostalgia for this one and is running a new spin on the Intellivision's old controllers - circular directional pad, analog buttons on each side, and touchscreen controls. It'd be a learning curve for me. Yet somehow one of their stated goals is breaking the gamer learning curve down.

The final case is the biggest problem they'll face. The Wii had the good fortune to arrive in 2006, pre-empting the looming dominance of the mobile era by several years (the original iPhone, which got that ball rolling, was released in 2007, and the industry took a few years after that to get into full swing). This left it virtually uncontested in the non- or casual-gamer market, what the Amico ostensibly targets. The motion controlled games and Nintendo's stubborn refusal to tap the mobile market ensured that it offered unique play experiences even when these things came to roost.

What's Amico's plan to deal with this market now that it's matured and oversaturated? Offering E or E10+ games only, for a price of a few dollars per game, and ensuring every last one contains no DLC or microtransactions whatsoever. All admirable enough goals, but exorbitantly stifling for developers and thoroughly off-putting to publishers when they have better options elsewhere. Most of which is on a device their target audience already owns and therefore doesn't have to convince them to get in the door.

Basically, what we're looking at is the love child of the Intellivision Flashback and the Ouya.

It's gonna **** the bed.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Bill Hawks is infuriating, it makes sense that he wouldn't get in trouble, but man is he a Karma Houdini.

Its like, He needed to get the punishment but Noooo

Spoiler

Clive

aka Future Luke had to get arrested and thst pissed me off SO BAD considering the trouble Bill caused to Layton and um.. Future Luke

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Jesus take the wheel

I really can’t wait to see how Sakurai interpreted Banjo’s design. The character designs from the N64 can pretty much only look good on the N64. Most attempts to just take the designs straight from there with no tweaking just look uncanny in HD. The Nuts and Bolts designs just look and animate better in 3D. But there’s no way he’ll use them.

They need eyelids.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

AWWWWW YEAHHHHH
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CHIEF TIME BABYYYYY

Now that I think of it actually, Chief would actually be the perfect character to reveal alongside Erdrick. Both come from mega gaming franchises that don't quite reach the worldwide appeal, Dragon Quest is really only big in Japan. and Halo only really caught on in the west. So revealing them together could have both bases covered, and of course, both would cause the internet to break.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I really can’t wait to see how Sakurai interpreted Banjo’s design. The character designs from the N64 can pretty much only look good on the N64. Most attempts to just take the designs straight from there with no tweaking just look uncanny in HD. The Nuts and Bolts designs just look and animate better in 3D. But there’s no way he’ll use them.

They need eyelids.

Calm down girl, the only rumour for Banjo that holds weight has the person who provided it say she isn't sure if Banjo is actually in

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Wait. Are we talking about Doug TenNapel?

Oh no. The post has been liked. That means I’m right.

Wow. I knew there was a reason I really hated those VeggieTales redesigns. They were made by a transphobe.

*sighs* I know it’s a Christian kids show so I was going to be at odds with it eventually but... it’s still sad to entertain the idea that the people who wrote this song

could be bigots.

 

[KMDP]

Here is the intellivision amico and its uh, "controllers". Looks like a knock off console during Wii era hype. I have no idea someone would try and make a console like that now.

Spoiler

Well it looks like I'm not missing much, I'd hate to play a platformer like Earthworm Jim on this, its just a nostalgia marketing ploy.

Why do the controllers look like the original iPod?

 

[Deleted member]

Hello Kitty will be revealed for Smash at the 2019 VGA's don't ****ing @ me

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Some Spaghetti for you guys!

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**** YEAH i love Spaghetti

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hello Kitty will be revealed for Smash at the 2019 VGA's don't ****ing @ me

Sorry, Hello Kitty is too busy fighting Japanese Jim Carrey as a Power Ranger

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Calm down girl, the only rumour for Banjo that holds weight has the person who provided it say she isn't sure if Banjo is actually in

I still think it makes too much sense. I’ll try not to get my hopes up but.... if he’s not in this Smash, I doubt he ever will be.

 

[Gyrom8]

Its like, He needed to get the punishment but Noooo

Spoiler

Clive

aka Future Luke had to get arrested and thst pissed me off SO BAD considering the trouble Bill caused to Layton and um.. Future Luke

It was frustrating but I guess it was true to life: bad people often get away with it

Lost Future was a wild ride though - easy the most WTF of all the Layton twists

 

[Deleted member]

Imo, Chief would actually be the perfect character to reveal alongside Erdrick. Both come from mega gaming franchises that don't quite reach the worldwide appeal, Dragon Quest is really only big in Japan. and Halo only really caught on in the west. So revealing them together could have both bases covered, and of course, both would cause the internet to break.

I think the issue with Master Chief is, while you're right in that he's recognizable, I imagine most Microsoft fans who are into Halo aren't into Smash Bros. I'm assume the general reaction to Master Chief in Smash to a general Microsoft fan would be, "Eh." On the other hand, I can easily imagine Dragon Quest fans to know and play Smash Bros because almost all mainline games are on a Nintendo console at this point. So it appeals to the core fanbase in Japan.

Meanwhile, Banjo would attract the core Nintendo audience over here. I'm pretty sure any Banjo fan keeps up with Nintendo because that's where the series originated. So it would create a greater effect for the newcomer being in Smash Bros compared to Master Chief.

So while Master Chief would have a wider reach, Banjo would make more people happy and would create greater sales.

 

[Roberk]

Now that I think of it actually, Chief would actually be the perfect character to reveal alongside Erdrick. Both come from mega gaming franchises that don't quite reach the worldwide appeal, Dragon Quest is really only big in Japan. and Halo only really caught on in the west. So revealing them together could have both bases covered, and of course, both would cause the internet to break.

While I want Chief, it’s in my unbiased opinion that Chief would be the next biggest character Smash can possibly add. It’s sad that he’s disconfirmed by Frank O’ Conner, I really hope he’s lying.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I still think it makes too much sense. I’ll try not to get my hopes up but.... if he’s not in this Smash, I doubt he ever will be.

It's best to consider the characters you want the most to not have a chance. That being said I'll admit I'll ****ing scream and gush if the next codename turns out to be Glyph or something despite how my favourite goth lesbian has no chances to be relevant ever again

 

[SlickWylde]

People acting like Banjo's confirmed again. Gonna be disappointed probably :'(

 

[SnakeFighter64]

While I want Chief, it’s in my unbiased opinion that Chief would be the next biggest character Smash can possibly add. It’s sad that he’s disconfirmed by Frank O’ Conner, I really hope he’s lying.

If Chief was in he wouldn’t have made a statement at all. He would have just ignored the questions because of NDAs

 

[KMDP]

Hello Kitty will be revealed for Smash at the 2019 VGA's don't ****ing @ me

I briefly misread that as "Hello Kirby".

...When are we getting a Hello Kitty x Kirby crossover?

 

[redfeatherraven]

Why do the controllers look like the original iPod?

They're taking their cues from the original Intellivision controllers:

Swap the touchpad for a touchscreen and cut the cord, and you've got the high concept.

 

[Roberk]

I think the issue with Master Chief is, while you're right in that he's recognizable, I imagine most Microsoft fans who are into Halo aren't into Smash Bros. I'm assume the general reaction to Master Chief in Smash to a general Microsoft fan would be, "Eh." On the other hand, I can easily imagine Dragon Quest fans to know and play Smash Bros because almost all mainline games are on a Nintendo console at this point. So it appeals to the core fanbase in Japan.

Meanwhile, Banjo would attract the core Nintendo audience over here. I'm pretty sure any Banjo fan keeps up with Nintendo because that's where the series originated. So it would create a greater effect for the newcomer being in Smash Bros compared to Master Chief.

So while Master Chief would have a wider reach, Banjo would make more people happy.

But that’s exactly the point, Halo fans don’t play Smash but Banjo fans do. Banjo fans are that core Nintendo fanbase that already bought Smash and possibly the Fighter’s Pass with or without Banjo. Chief would attract millions of people to not only buy Smash and the Fighter’s Pass but also a Switch itself because he’s the mascot of an entire console brand.

 

[Deleted member]

I briefly misread that as "Hello Kirby".

...When are we getting a Hello Kitty x Kirby crossover?

She should've been in Star Allies as one of the Dream Friends tbh

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Sometimes I think our lives would be better if speculation ended. But when speculation is over we’re probably just gonna disband.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I briefly misread that as "Hello Kirby".

...When are we getting a Hello Kitty x Kirby crossover?

Considering there's official merchandise of Hello Kitty with Kamen Rider Kaixa's gear, who became a zombie and committed sexual assault, Kirby better ****ing get a crossover

I think the issue with Master Chief is, while you're right in that he's recognizable, I imagine most Microsoft fans who are into Halo aren't into Smash Bros. I'm assume the general reaction to Master Chief in Smash to a general Microsoft fan would be, "Eh." On the other hand, I can easily imagine Dragon Quest fans to know and play Smash Bros because almost all mainline games are on a Nintendo console at this point. So it appeals to the core fanbase in Japan.

Meanwhile, Banjo would attract the core Nintendo audience over here. I'm pretty sure any Banjo fan keeps up with Nintendo because that's where the series originated. So it would create a greater effect for the newcomer being in Smash Bros compared to Master Chief.

So while Master Chief would have a wider reach, Banjo would make more people happy and would create greater sales.

To be fair, Joker doesn't seem to overlap with Nintendo fans so the fact Master Chief would reach out to a larger audience would be a better goal. What's better, having more people pay 5.99 or having people buy a new console and game?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Considering there's official merchandise of Hello Kitty with Kamen Rider Kaixa's gear, who became a zombie and committed sexual assault, Kirby better ****ing get a crossover

To be fair, Joker doesn't seem to overlap with Nintendo fans so the fact Master Chief would reach out to a larger audience would be a better goal. What's better, having more people pay 5.99 or having people buy a new console and game?

Of all days today had to be the day we get back to the Microsoft debate. I’m sad now.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Sometimes I think our lives would be better if speculation ended. But when speculation is over we’re probably just gonna disband.

we aren't one direction. there's still gonna be things to talk about. how often do we ACTUALLY speculate here?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

we aren't one direction. there's still gonna be things to talk about. how often do we ACTUALLY speculate here?

About every Wednesday/Thursday. I’ve counted. I know because the Banjo debate always came up while I was in the exact same class every week.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright I'm feeling a little better what's up epic gamers

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Of all days today had to be the day we get back to the Microsoft debate. I’m sad now.

Well instead of being sad, be happy that we're getting a Ghost Rider show in the MCU

 

[ColietheGoalie]

But that’s exactly the point, Halo fans don’t play Smash but Banjo fans do. Banjo fans are that core Nintendo fanbase that already bought Smash and possibly the Fighter’s Pass with or without Banjo. Chief would attract millions of people to not only buy Smash and the Fighter’s Pass but also a Switch itself because he’s the mascot of an entire console brand.

I still maintain that no one is going to buy a whole separate console because of one character in one game

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Sometimes I think our lives would be better if speculation ended. But when speculation is over we’re probably just gonna disband.

Tfw you like this place so much that you're planning to stay, even after Smash DLC is all said and done.

 

[Wyoming]

But that’s exactly the point, Halo fans don’t play Smash but Banjo fans do. Banjo fans are that core Nintendo fanbase that already bought Smash and possibly the Fighter’s Pass with or without Banjo. Chief would attract millions of people to not only buy Smash and the Fighter’s Pass but also a Switch itself because he’s the mascot of an entire console brand.

Yup. Know some people who are big Persona fans that did not care about Smash at all until Joker's reveal. It promotes and sells the game well since it makes nee people eager to try the series.

Chief would 100% have that effect. Mascot of the Xbox family and Halo has a wide reach of players. Put in Chief and people with Xboxes will want to try, and possibly buy, the game.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Alright I'm feeling a little better what's up epic gamers

We’re fighting about Microsoft reps and Earthworm Jim was designed by a transphobic creationist who ruined a vegetable show.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright I'm feeling a little better what's up epic gamers

aside from my bold prediction...

Hello Kitty will be revealed for Smash at the 2019 VGA's don't ****ing @ me

not much, hbu?

 

[Deleted member]

We’re fighting about Microsoft reps and Earthworm Jim was designed by a transphobic creationist who ruined a vegetable show.

Did I come in at a bad time or

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Yup. Know some people who are big Persona fans that did not care about Smash at all until Joker's reveal. It promotes and sells the game well since it makes nee people eager to try the series.

Chief would 100% have that effect. Mascot of the Xbox family and Halo has a wide reach of players. Put in Chief and people with Xboxes will want to try, and possibly buy, the game.

And Banjo continues to languish in darkness and obscurity and you all get to see me cry.

 

[Deleted member]

Did I come in at a bad time or

nah, it's no biggie, you're fine

 

[Deleted member]

But that’s exactly the point, Halo fans don’t play Smash but Banjo fans do. Banjo fans are that core Nintendo fanbase that already bought Smash and possibly the Fighter’s Pass with or without Banjo. Chief would attract millions of people to not only buy Smash and the Fighter’s Pass but also a Switch itself because he’s the mascot of an entire console brand.

You're mistaking something. This is under the assumption that MC being in Smash will sell Switch's. Maybe I'm missing something, like how MC could be revealed at E3 similar to Joker at the VGA.

To be fair, Joker doesn't seem to overlap with Nintendo fans so the fact Master Chief would reach out to a larger audience would be a better goal. What's better, having more people pay 5.99 or having people buy a new console and game?

When it's said like that, it's hard to debate.

 

[redfeatherraven]

we aren't one direction. there's still gonna be things to talk about. how often do we ACTUALLY speculate here?

This is quite right.

I for my part do my best to not speculate at al-

It's gonna **** the bed.

I mean.

About Smash.

To not speculate about Smash.

That's what I meant.

Right.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I still maintain that no one is going to buy a whole separate console because of one character in one game

Sonic in Brawl solidified my desire for a Wii and from what I hear some old gamers bought a Switch very excitedly because of their love for CastleVania shortly after the Belmonts were announced

Of all days today had to be the day we get back to the Microsoft debate. I’m sad now.

Also another reply to this is simple. There's someone great out there who you should try and improve your life on, solely for their sake. Want to know who that is?

The girl reading this