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[Rie Sonomura]

They should make a Kingdom Hearts version of Dissidia.

Fun fact, Dissidia was originally intended to be a KH fighting game, but Disney didn't approve of their characters beating each other up, so they made it FF instead

The More You Know(TM)

Spoiler: WoL implied spoilers?

also, I kinda vaguely got a Dissidia vibe from WoL...except both deities are the bad guys, while vanilla Dissidia, 012 and even NT play with the moralities of Cosmos/Materia and Chaos/Spiritus...

 

[Wademan94]

I think the discussion does bring up a good point. What echo fighter ideas do you guys have that could seem feasible taking in account build and overall similarly potential with the original?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Ooh, I want to get in on the Zelda discussion too!

Zelda's definitely big enough to get a non-semiclone moveset. But yeah, the problem of who is a bit one. Zelda games are pretty varied, but there are a few standout side characters that have still left a mark.

Impa - Impa's the most recurring character, but she's really been nothing more than a Ms. Exposition until Skyward Sword (even then, she was only badass in flashbacks), and most of her support comes from her Hyrule Warriors appearance. Beyond those two, she's most often been seen as an older nanny to Zelda. Add to that the fact that most of her design is as a sheikah, and she's too easy of a Shiek echo. Yes, she could be unique. Just like all of our echoes could be. But Shiek!Impa would make more sense than even some non-echoes we have, so it's an obvious way in. As such, people who want more unique Zelda characters aren't that inclined to support her since she'd by nature be very similar to Sheik.

Skull Kid - He's probably one of the likeliest...if anyone ever gets a promotion. Majora's Mask did well enough, but of course it wasn't praised to the heavens since it had the misfortune of being the direct successor of Ocarina of Time. Still, there isn't a person on the internet who doesn't know the "24 hours remain" meme, so Majora's Mask is in the public consciousness. He could be incredibly unique compared to the current cast, and even has the benefit of having an iconic piece of headwear for Kirby. Considering the outrage when he wasn't included in Hyrule Warriors, and it's safe to say he's got a fanbase. Alas, he's an assist, and a decently hated one at that since his assist power is one of those that screws everyone.

Midna - Each Zelda game has fans and detractors. I think Twilight Princess was my favorite, but I know a lot of people hated the realism look so weren't sold on her. Still, she is the title character of that game, and had a massive fanbase since it came out - her assist came several year after her game had passed. She's got one of the most developed personalities of any Zelda side character, and also has the two forms as well, both of which were important in the Hyrule Warriors storylines. She's been one of my biggest choices since the Brawl era, and I wouldn't mind seeing her come back into importance. And now that the TP costumes for the cast are gone, it feel like something is missing.

Tingle - Loved in one part of the world, and loathed in others, Tingle's an interesting case. Yes, he's recurring, but is also known for his own set of spin-offs...which didn't get exports since part of the world just thinks he's the worst thing to come out of Nintendo. Tingle's a great example of how cultural differences are not necessarily universal, and with Smash being more cognizant of the Western reception, Tingle's probably dead in the water. I am surprised that his assist got cut though, that was decently inoffensive. I guess they thought that the Moon would be too many Zelda assists and decided to cut - I wonder if we'd gotten a Midna/Skull Kid/Ghirahim promotion if Tingle would have hung around.

Ghirahim - As important as Fi was, I feel most of the fanbase went to Ghirahim since Fi was basically Navi-the-waifu with the associated lack of personality, while Ghirahim oozed personality (among other things). Still, Skyward Sword was one of the weakest console Zeldas due in part to the awkward motion controls, so he may not have the sticking power of the above. As a villain, however, he is more memorable than Twilight Princess' Zant. Being one of the major characters in Hyrule Warriors also helped him steal the spotlight for himself. I wouldn't mind him - I'd prefer Midna first, but both would be great and unique additions.

A Champion - They were really good, and well developed with the Champion's Ballad DLC (and 100% should be added to Hyrule Warriors Legends as DLC with a BotW map!), but their issue is the fact that the game made all four equally important - that's even what Revali's entire storyline is - so putting one over the others would jsut feel wrong. It's weird enough that Daruk and Urbosa have primary Spirits while Revali's and Mipha's are supports. I can't see us getting 4 unique Zelda newcomers (but it'd be great), so they may not be able to hope for more than an assist that calls a Divine Beast. Compounding that is the fact that each has his or her own fanbase - and they don't all tend to agree. Mipha's the romantic and has a great weapon, but is never shown using it, has a very cliche story and a terrible VA. Daruk is a decently generic heavy, but is by far the most fun of the lot. Revali's got an abrasive personality which is already seen in Falco, but would also bring something unique to the table in terms of a weapon. Urbosa's the most generic in terms of moveset, but showed an incredible example of being a Bechdel-favored heroine. Now if it were me choosing, I'd go for Urbosa and be done with it, but I'd honestly love to see them pull a Bowser Jr. (even if it would require Mipha to get a growth spurt and be awkward for Daruk) and give each two recolors in one character - each race does have its entire set of weapons, and the four powers are good for specials, so it'd be a fun way to hit all of them.

If I had my way, I'd favor Urbosa first (what a great personality! By far my favorite BotW character!), then Midna, and then Skull Kid. But with all of the Zelda characters, it's tough to get a massive agreement like Ridley had.

Oh well, I will say the Skull Kid Mii is much cooler than I'd thought, and I do enjoy that at least.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I think the discussion does bring up a good point. What echo fighter ideas do you guys have that could seem feasible taking in account build and overall similarly potential with the original?

Big Boss, had the Smash Snake not been a mishmash of Solid and him.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

First "This means Lycanroc is more likely" and now "Could work as an echo of a character who quite literally doesn't have enough similarities to work as an echo", did they put something in the water when Sakurai talked about Robin Hoot?

 

[Idon]

I think the discussion does bring up a good point. What echo fighter ideas do you guys have that could seem feasible taking in account build and overall similarly potential with the original?

Hero's Shade as an echo of Link that gives him back his old bombs.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Fun fact, Dissidia was originally intended to be a KH fighting game, but Disney didn't approve of their characters beating each other up, so they made it FF instead

The More You Know(TM)

Spoiler: WoL implied spoilers?

also, I kinda vaguely got a Dissidia vibe from WoL...except both deities are the bad guys, while vanilla Dissidia, 012 and even NT play with the moralities of Cosmos/Materia and Chaos/Spiritus...

Huh. Neat.

Wonder if they've changed their minds sense then? Couldn't you beat each other up in Disney Infinity?

 

[Deleted member]

I added stuff to the shelf.

 

[Cosmic77]

I think the discussion does bring up a good point. What echo fighter ideas do you guys have that could seem feasible taking in account build and overall similarly potential with the original?

I already know I'll get a lot of smack for saying this, but Shadow could work. It's not ideal, but I think you could change one or two things from Sonic's moveset and depict him fairly well.

There's also Octolings, but I think that's one of the most obvious suggestions.

 

[Deleted member]

One of my pipe dreams would be to get Coco Bandicoot in Smash at least as an echo of Crash.
I play as her the most in N.Sane Trilogy.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Huh. Neat.

Wonder if they've changed their minds sense then? Couldn't you beat each other up in Disney Infinity?

As far as I know, no. I think Disney Infinity was just your run of the mill sandbox, like a Disney-themed Minecraft or something

 

[SnakeFighter64]

As far as I know, no. I think Disney Infinity was just your run of the mill sandbox, like a Disney-themed Minecraft or something

I played a little bit of it and I remember reading somewhere that it had some sort of vs. mode but I could never figure out how to do it.

 

[osby]

I already know I'll get a lot of smack for saying this, but Shadow could work. It's not ideal, but I think you could change one or two things from Sonic's moveset and depict him fairly well.

There's also Octolings, but I think that's one of the most obvious suggestions.

I'd love to see Shadow as an echo fighter, tbh.

I think the discussion does bring up a good point. What echo fighter ideas do you guys have that could seem feasible taking in account build and overall similarly potential with the original?

Jeanne and Shadow come to my mind.

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13 people are ***holes who have no respect for the video game industry as a whole.

Is your signature a meme?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think the discussion does bring up a good point. What echo fighter ideas do you guys have that could seem feasible taking in account build and overall similarly potential with the original?

My top pick is Tails over Sonic.

Yeah, it probably wouldn't work perfectly - Tails is shorter and a bit slower than Sonic, so he'd need to be as different as Ken form Ryu at least. Still, Sonic's moveset works great for Tails as he was in his earliest games; he only needs a few changes (like uthrow) to fit. If we could get a Ken- or even Isabelle-level Tails, I'd be in heaven.

The best true echo I'd love to see would be Twili Midna over Zelda.

I know I just made this whole big Zelda post about how there are too many clones, but I really liked Midna, and her human form would fit quite well with Zelda's proportions and moveset. Her specials could be the same, just getting recolored to give them Darkness effects or the like. In Hyrule Warriors, Twili Midna's got some moves that really would fit well there - her strong attack acted similarly to Zelda's Sm4sh custom Nayru's Rejection, but with a darkness effect explosion; the side special could simply be her throwing a Sol and it exploding with light instead of fire, she's got her teleport from the games, and she could summon a Twilight creature instead of a Phantom. All of Zelda's standard magic attacks could match as well. Plus, it'd give us back a character with a Twilight Princess costume, which would be great.

 

[PeridotGX]

If Sakurai were to include Decidueye then I think he'd prefer to make it unique. It has too many abilities to not to.

But Decidueye is disconfirmed to me. Even by some miracle they added another Gen 7 Pokemon as DLC, Sakurai dashed those hopes by openly talking about his exclusion during development last week. Just like Ice Climbers before him; being mentioned by Sakurai while DLC is being made is the kiss of death.

Yes, Decidueye being unique would be better. But there's almost no chance of that happening. We already have a unique gen 7 Pokemon, and expecting another is incredibly unrealistic.

 

[Wademan94]

I already know I'll get a lot of smack for saying this, but Shadow could work. It's not ideal, but I think you could change one or two things from Sonic's moveset and depict him fairly well.

There's also Octolings, but I think that's one of the most obvious suggestions.

I mean you’re definitely not alone in wanting Shadow as an echo and to be fair, their gameplay was similar in SA2 so I don’t think it’d be too much of a problem.

 

[Gryphon827]

One of my pipe dreams would be to get Coco Bandicoot in Smash at least as an echo of Crash.
I play as her the most in N.Sane Trilogy.

Crash would need to get in smash before that happened... and let's be real, he won't.

 

[Pakky]

Crash would need to get in smash before that happened... and let's be real, he won't.

What weighs against him?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

They should make a Kingdom Hearts version of Dissidia.

****, Id play it

 

[Opossum]

As far as I know, no. I think Disney Infinity was just your run of the mill sandbox, like a Disney-themed Minecraft or something

It was actually incredibly in-depth. I could never fully figure out how to set up the more complex things and just downloaded ones other people made, but the level design system was incredible.

Still sad about it getting canned, especially before Peter Pan came out. I could go on a whole spiel about Pan and the behind the scenes stuff with him, lol.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I think the discussion does bring up a good point. What echo fighter ideas do you guys have that could seem feasible taking in account build and overall similarly potential with the original?

Remember that "New Villager" thing, and how Isabelle couldn't be an echo because of New Leaf body proportions? Hmm...

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Kinda late but I'm gonna say what "guy" people are since I haven't done one of these shoutout posts like ever

@JDCabrera : Mostly the F4 guy, but also the Crash guy, Metroid guy, and Godzilla guy
Rie Sonomura : The Elma girl
osby : The Joker guy
Pakky : The waifu guy
@Just a penguin : The penguin guy
@Smashing Ramen : The Rhythm Heaven guy
Professor Pumpkaboo : The Layton girl/the Kingdom Hearts girl
@ToasterBrains : The charming snark guy
@staindgrey : The RE guy/the good taste guy (bring Midna home)
@Iridium : The bastion of Link mains guy
@God Emperor Yoshi : The certain green dinosaur guy
@GothFluttershy : The furry guy
@Shishœ : The second good taste guy
@Noipoi : The art guy/sans undertale
@Masked Marshmallow : The second art guy but he does sprites too this time
@kirbsmash : The Incineroar guy
Guh-Huzzah! : The VA guy
@Shiny Haruka Ishijima : The absolute legend girl
@ShinyLegendary : KIN
@Graizen : The Agumon guy
@Zack E. : the Geno/Mother guy

If I forgot anyone no worries all of y'all are cool

"The VA Guy" xD

 

[AndreaAC]

I added stuff to the shelf.
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:D YAY! Godzilla doesn't look lonely anymore, a cap became his best friend!

xD On a serious note, what a really nice arrangement of your new shelf! :D

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I think the discussion does bring up a good point. What echo fighter ideas do you guys have that could seem feasible taking in account build and overall similarly potential with the original?

Octolings, Zack Fair, Big Boss (Smash Snake is just Solid Snake, fight me.) or Liquid Snake, Jeanne, Funky Kong, Shadow, Proto Man, Ms. Pac-Man, Maybe Dixie (She might have to be more of a Falco or Wolf style clone rather than an Echo).

 

[Wademan94]

My top pick is Tails over Sonic.

Yeah, it probably wouldn't work perfectly - Tails is shorter and a bit slower than Sonic, so he'd need to be as different as Ken form Ryu at least. Still, Sonic's moveset works great for Tails as he was in his earliest games; he only needs a few changes (like uthrow) to fit. If we could get a Ken- or even Isabelle-level Tails, I'd be in heaven.

The best true echo I'd love to see would be Twili Midna over Zelda.

I know I just made this whole big Zelda post about how there are too many clones, but I really liked Midna, and her human form would fit quite well with Zelda's proportions and moveset. Her specials could be the same, just getting recolored to give them Darkness effects or the like. In Hyrule Warriors, Twili Midna's got some moves that really would fit well there - her strong attack acted similarly to Zelda's Sm4sh custom Nayru's Rejection, but with a darkness effect explosion; the side special could simply be her throwing a Sol and it exploding with light instead of fire, she's got her teleport from the games, and she could summon a Twilight creature instead of a Phantom. All of Zelda's standard magic attacks could match as well. Plus, it'd give us back a character with a Twilight Princess costume, which would be great.

Tails would probably be a Isabelle-like semi-clone at best. I doubt he’d be an echo considering not only is he shorter, but his proportions are considerably different from Sonic’s,

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

So, I'm going to try to make a montage... It'll be tough, though. I'm no good at Smash, haha.

 

[osby]

Crash would need to get in smash before that happened... and let's be real, he won't.

Let's be real, we don't know that yet.

 

[Deleted member]

I must contain it... I mus- Play as Falco, do you down taunt, then down smash.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd like to see Zack Fair as a Cloud echo for a good reason XD

 

[Deleted member]

Finally.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

So, anyone up for an arena?

 

[PsySmasher]

So, I'm going to try to make a montage... It'll be tough, though. I'm no good at Smash, haha.

Ooh! I got an original idea!

Make a K. Rool montage.

 

[Wademan94]

So am I alone in thinking that Metal Sonic would make a good echo fighter?

 

[Deleted member]

WOAH, EVERYONE HOLD THE **** UP.

NINTENDO.

YOU CAN'T JUST CASUALLY DROP FINAL FANTASY VII LIKE THIS.

TELL US WHEN IT IS COMING YOU ****ERS.

 

[PsySmasher]

So, anyone up for an arena?

Just finished up classes for today, so yeah.

WOAH, EVERYONE HOLD THE **** UP.

NINTENDO.

YOU CAN'T JUST CASUALLY DROP FINAL FANTASY VII LIKE THIS.

TELL US WHEN IT IS COMING YOU ****ERS.

I'm kind of shocked they have put out a release date yet, considering we got the dates for 2 of the other FF ports.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

WOAH, EVERYONE HOLD THE **** UP.

NINTENDO.

YOU CAN'T JUST CASUALLY DROP FINAL FANTASY VII LIKE THIS.

TELL US WHEN IT IS COMING YOU ****ERS.

Its coming soon™.

 

[Dee Dude]

I think the discussion does bring up a good point. What echo fighter ideas do you guys have that could seem feasible taking in account build and overall similarly potential with the original?

They bragged about the concept of Echo fighters when they introduced them but that was when I figured they were clones with a fancy name.

But considering they only added 5 new ones, I don’t blame people for being a little disappointed that hoped for them to play with the idea more since they take less development time.

What I wouldn’t have minded seeing though?

-Shadow who was an absolute no-brainer (Sonic)
-Ninten (Ness)
-Dixie (I prefer an original semi clone but a Ken style echo of Diddy will suffice)
-Felix (Isaac and he didn’t even get in)
-Octolings (Inklings)

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Fun fact, Dissidia was originally intended to be a KH fighting game, but Disney didn't approve of their characters beating each other up, so they made it FF instead

Those mother****ers

 

[PeridotGX]

I think the discussion does bring up a good point. What echo fighter ideas do you guys have that could seem feasible taking in account build and overall similarly potential with the original?

This is a pretty uncommon suggestion, but I feel like Blaziken for Captian Falcon is practically perfect. They're proportioned very simmilarly, and I think Blaziken is popular enough to make it in. The only change I feel necessary (other than the intro and Final Smash) is altering Falcon Punch to have a kick animation, like the Mii Brawler variant.

 

[AndreaAC]

Finally.

XD I cannot process what I just watched....