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What are you most excited about for E3?


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I think Mii Costumes returning and DLC Spirits are one of the most interesting points for speculation. From them we can assume the following:
  • DLC Mii Costumes from Sm4sh will likely return
    • this isn't entirely true since the Akira costume from Virtua Fighter did not return
    • This specifically affects Geno, Monster Hunter, Lloyd, and Heihachi
  • Series with Spirits are at a disadvantage in terms of getting new fighters.
    • Spirits might literally disconfirm characters.
Furthermore, Joker's incredibly faithful representation has ramifications for DLC as a whole if we assume that every character will receive similar treatment. This effects Heihachi and Tekken fighters specifically. Sakurai said that incorporating Tekken's 3D movement in Smash was too difficult to include him in Smash 4, and I feel like, for DLC, if he can't incorporate Tekken's movement Heihachi, or any Tekken character for that matter, is highly unlikely.

So then, who's left?

In terms of Capcom, I feel like Scoliosis Jones Scoliosis Jones ' point about Dante and Amaterasu is correct. We know for a fact Dante is out (:(), and I feel like Kamiya would know if Amaterasu was in given that he and Sakurai are friends. Sakurai would, at the very least, talk to Kamiya about Amaterasu's inclusion. So, Ammy is out. For the sake of the argument we'll say Megaman and Street Fighter are out since they already have characters and spirits that are in. This leaves two series from my point of view:
  • Resident Evil, and
  • Phoenix Wright
I'd give Resident Evil the advantage simply because it is undeniably one of Capcom's most popular and best selling series. However, the popularity and longevity of the Phoenix Wright franchise alongside the series' strong ties to Nintendo are not to be underestimated. I do feel like Resident Evil is more conducive to Mii Costumes, however.

In terms of Square Enix Dragon Quest simply makes the most sense, especially alongside all the other points in Erdrick's favor. I suppose Kingdom Hearts could be possible if Disney plays along, but that's highly unlikely. We get Erdrick as a fighter and other heroes as Mii Costumes (+ a Slime Hat) and Spirits. The Geno and Chocobo Mii Costumes also return (sorry Geno fans)

Namco is harder to figure out given that both Heihachi and Lloyd, the two most popular speculation picks, have Mii Costumes that could very likely make a return. Going based off of my prior argument against Tekken, we'll assume that it's out. So, who's left?
  • A Tales of character (*that isn't Lloyd)
    • It could still be Lloyd given Sakurai's statement about Lloyd being "the only choice" for Tales of characters
  • KOS-MOS
  • Agumon
These are ranked in order of likelihood. I strongly believe in a Tales of character, but KOS-MOS is a dark horse pick given that she seems to be the de facto mascot of Namco in crossover games. Agumon is mentioned solely for the sake of appeasing Graizen because it's possible. Bonus points if the character is Lloyd and they start by revealing his Mii Costume.

Our final DLC fighter is going to either Banjo & Kazooie or Master Chief (I'd lean towards Banjo Kazooie). Steve and the character who doesn't get in between Banjo and Chief will be a Mii Costume. I'd bet on a Creeper Hat as well, and maybe we also get other characters from the Halo series as Mii Costumes (the Plasma Sword will be used for a Mii Swordfighter costume).

So, we're looking at:
  • Joker
  • Erdrick
  • Banjo-Kazooie/Master Chief
  • Resident Evil/Phoenix Wright
  • Tales of/KOS-MOS
That's a mighty fine DLC pass if I do say so myself.
So Ammy is disconfirmed due to Kamiya depite the fact that he doesnt have anything to do directly with Okami anymore but MC which was mentioned by the Halo twitter and the 343 guy is still possible. I think thats faulty logic, either put both as a possibility or remove both altogether.
 

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That wasn't the song though. **** y'all are gonna make me look it up.


This one. It's a good song but I didn't want to listen to it on repeat everywhere I went.
Oh well, replace heartbeat heartbreak with underneath the mask which is more chill acid jazz and less pop.

Also hey, if you want something else, the Megaten franchise has a lot of variations on the JRPG formula so I'm sure you'll find something.

Or try out EO. That's aaaaaall gameplay.
 

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i really do wish that we could see our most liked post

i wanna see my uber-****post, my peak, my whole being
This one was mine:

For Corrin, I honestly think it's just the effeminate character design and matching somewhat androgynous voice. Slim build, stylized hair, bare feet, all of that could be offputting to a guy to use as a player character. (Which is dumb, but I can totally see it.)

The general look for Corrin definitely caters more to a female appearance, IMO, while Robin's is arguably more masculine. I just got attached to female Robin because she was the first one I chose.

(Then on another playthrough I went with male Robin just so I could name him Chrom for this exchange.)



(Worth it.)
31 likes. I don't know why.
 
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You know why I don't care? Because core fan requests have been shown to only go so far.

Geno, Isaac, Bandana Dee, Ashley, Skull Kid/Impa/Flavor of the Week Legend of Zelda character, and many other "core picks" who defined speculation cycles still aren't in the game. Banjo & Kazooie are no different.

If Banjo & Kazooie get in Smash it won't be solely because of his fanbase. It's likely support from the core fanbase would be a component, but fan support isn't the end-all-be-all.
I think it's evident from this game in particular that highly fan requested characters must still have a degree of relevance and modernity.
Ridley was still showing up in pretty much every Metroid game and had appeared as recently as 2017. K Rool, while not appearing since 2008, was still the most recognised villain of the still very active Donkey Kong franchise, and seemingly was going to return prior to Smash.
Compare that to Isaac, who's series was pretty much dead for 8 years, and Geno, who was tangled behind licensing and hadn't appeared for 23 years, with SMRPG itself being a one off too.
 
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who the hell is fantano

*looks him up*

...a hoo boy to hoo all boys
You JUST now are getting caught up to me and ClaTheBae ClaTheBae ?

Sheesh, but did you really had to say Notre Dame was a blessing by God? C'mon now.

Note that I am joking, for those who aren't versed in Fantano meme lore.
 

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You know why I don't care? Because core fan requests have been shown to only go so far.

Geno, Isaac, Bandana Dee, Ashley, Skull Kid/Impa/Flavor of the Week Legend of Zelda character, and many other "core picks" who defined speculation cycles still aren't in the game. Banjo & Kazooie are no different.

If Banjo & Kazooie get in Smash it won't be solely because of his fanbase. It's likely support from the core fanbase would be a component, but fan support isn't the end-all-be-all.
It was for K. Rool. It was for Ridley. Banjo-Kazooie is at the top with those two. Isaac, Geno, Ashley, they all showed up. But the support was never as loud as those other 3. It would surprise me if Banjo wasn't in the top 10 in the ballot in both the USA and Europe. That's how much people care. It's enough support that I can easily see Nintendo taking notice and negotiating with Microsoft to add him into the DLC because with numbers like that they know he'll sell.


Anyway, moving on because I don't want to start a fight over this again. I gotta say, the fact that the Persona symbol is so closely related to P5 and not something generic that represents the whole series, I'm really dissapointed now more than ever that the Final Fantasy Symbol isn't the flaming planet.
 

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Btw I've had Ace Attorney on my mind a lot lately and here's my list of best to worst prosecutors through the games I've played

1: Edgeworth
2: Blackquill
3: Franziska
4: Klavier
5: Godot (LOOK HE'S A VERY YIKES CHARACTER OK)
6: Bead ******
Godot being so Yikes is ****ing brilliant, he's so well written, shame most of the fanbase misses that lmao
 

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Btw I've had Ace Attorney on my mind a lot lately and here's my list of best to worst prosecutors through the games I've played

1: Edgeworth
2: Blackquill
3: Franziska
4: Klavier
5: Godot (LOOK HE'S A VERY YIKES CHARACTER OK)
6: Bead ******
I am shocked and appalled by this list.

Legitimately, yikes.
 

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I think Mii Costumes returning and DLC Spirits are one of the most interesting points for speculation. From them we can assume the following:
  • DLC Mii Costumes from Sm4sh will likely return
    • this isn't entirely true since the Akira costume from Virtua Fighter did not return
    • This specifically affects Geno, Monster Hunter, Lloyd, and Heihachi
  • Series with Spirits are at a disadvantage in terms of getting new fighters.
    • Spirits might literally disconfirm characters.
Furthermore, Joker's incredibly faithful representation has ramifications for DLC as a whole if we assume that every character will receive similar treatment. This effects Heihachi and Tekken fighters specifically. Sakurai said that incorporating Tekken's 3D movement in Smash was too difficult to include him in Smash 4, and I feel like, for DLC, if he can't incorporate Tekken's movement Heihachi, or any Tekken character for that matter, is highly unlikely.

So then, who's left?

In terms of Capcom, I feel like Scoliosis Jones Scoliosis Jones ' point about Dante and Amaterasu is correct. We know for a fact Dante is out (:(), and I feel like Kamiya would know if Amaterasu was in given that he and Sakurai are friends. Sakurai would, at the very least, talk to Kamiya about Amaterasu's inclusion. So, Ammy is out. For the sake of the argument we'll say Megaman and Street Fighter are out since they already have characters and spirits that are in. This leaves two series from my point of view:
  • Resident Evil, and
  • Phoenix Wright
I'd give Resident Evil the advantage simply because it is undeniably one of Capcom's most popular and best selling series. However, the popularity and longevity of the Phoenix Wright franchise alongside the series' strong ties to Nintendo are not to be underestimated. I do feel like Resident Evil is more conducive to Mii Costumes, however.

In terms of Square Enix Dragon Quest simply makes the most sense, especially alongside all the other points in Erdrick's favor. I suppose Kingdom Hearts could be possible if Disney plays along, but that's highly unlikely. We get Erdrick as a fighter and other heroes as Mii Costumes (+ a Slime Hat) and Spirits. The Geno and Chocobo Mii Costumes also return (sorry Geno fans)

Namco is harder to figure out given that both Heihachi and Lloyd, the two most popular speculation picks, have Mii Costumes that could very likely make a return. Going based off of my prior argument against Tekken, we'll assume that it's out. So, who's left?
  • A Tales of character (*that isn't Lloyd)
    • It could still be Lloyd given Sakurai's statement about Lloyd being "the only choice" for Tales of characters
  • KOS-MOS
  • Agumon
These are ranked in order of likelihood. I strongly believe in a Tales of character, but KOS-MOS is a dark horse pick given that she seems to be the de facto mascot of Namco in crossover games. Agumon is mentioned solely for the sake of appeasing Graizen because it's possible. Bonus points if the character is Lloyd and they start by revealing his Mii Costume.

Our final DLC fighter is going to either Banjo & Kazooie or Master Chief (I'd lean towards Banjo Kazooie). Steve and the character who doesn't get in between Banjo and Chief will be a Mii Costume. I'd bet on a Creeper Hat as well, and maybe we also get other characters from the Halo series as Mii Costumes (the Plasma Sword will be used for a Mii Swordfighter costume).

So, we're looking at:
  • Joker
  • Erdrick
  • Banjo-Kazooie/Master Chief
  • Resident Evil/Phoenix Wright
  • Tales of/KOS-MOS
That's a mighty fine DLC pass if I do say so myself.
I largely agree with this, despite still hesitating to agree that the last pick will be from a western developer in any capacity.

At the same time, it’s quite difficult for me to determine who I think would get added beyond that from a Japanese studio. I simply can’t put my finger on anybody, and the only reason I would pick Ryu Hayabusa is because of that previous leak that has now been debunked.
 

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Btw I've had Ace Attorney on my mind a lot lately and here's my list of best to worst prosecutors through the games I've played

1: Edgeworth
2: Blackquill
3: Franziska
4: Klavier
5: Godot (LOOK HE'S A VERY YIKES CHARACTER OK)
6: Bead ******
I would put godot in place of klavier. He has a good back story and a fun personality.

Other then that our list has good taste
 

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I think it's evident from this game in particular that highly fan requested characters must still have a degree of relevance and modernity.
Ridley was still showing up in pretty much every Metroid game and had appeared as recently as 2017. K Rool, while not appearing since 2008, was still the most recognised villain of the still very active Donkey Kong franchise, and seemingly was going to return prior to Smash.
Compare that to Isaac, who's series was pretty much dead for 8 years, and Geno, who was tangled behind licensing and hadn't appeared for 23 years, with SMRPG itself being a one off too.
So... Banjo is kinda in the Isaac/Geno ballpark, since the last time they appeared in their series was Nuts and Bolts, which was over a decade ago (not including rereleases/spiritual successors).

And their series hasn't had a new game since.
 
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I think it's evident from this game in particular that highly fan requested characters must still have a degree of relevance and modernity.
Ridley was still showing up in pretty much every Metroid game and had appeared as recently as 2017. K Rool, while not appearing since 2008, was still the most recognised villain of the still very active Donkey Kong franchise, and seemingly was going to return prior to Smash.
Compare that to Isaac, who's series was pretty much dead for 8 years, and Geno, who was tangled behind licensing and hadn't appeared for 23 years, with SMRPG itself being a one off too.
Of course. Ultimate seems to be striking a balance between core and casual character picks, and I don't think DLC will be much different in that regard, except that it'll lean more towards the casual side in the hopes of drawing in new players. That's where the differences between base game picks and DLC picks become apparent. DLC picks have further meaning. Banjo would be a great pick to appease core fans who might be alienated by choices like Erdrick. It's why I anticipate @Bolderousness' account being saved in one day due to Erdrick and Banjo both being revealed at E3. It's a smart move that appeals to the whole world (Erdrick for the East, Banjo for the West with some crossover occurring, of course).

But to say that "Banjo is an icon of Smash speculation and that is the main reason he's getting in" is ridiculous when there are obviously other factors at play here (i.e. Microsoft's relationship with Nintendo and willingness to lend Nintendo their IPs and services). If Banjo gets in it's due to a series of circumstances that happened to line up to allow it, and not solely the result of fan demand.
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You JUST now are getting caught up to me and ClaTheBae ClaTheBae ?

Sheesh, but did you really had to say Notre Dame was a blessing by God? C'mon now.

Note that I am joking, for those who aren't versed in Fantano meme lore.
i am actively disinterested in anything cla has a vague interest in
 

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Godot being so Yikes is ****ing brilliant, he's so well written, shame most of the fanbase misses that lmao
I'm not saying he's poorly written, it's just that there's too much for me to dislike. If Edgeworth had significantly more "Kill yourself then witness" moments he'd have dropped down quite a lot
I am shocked and appalled by this list.

Legitimately, yikes.
This is me we're talking about, did you expect good opinions?
 
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So... Banjo is kinda in the Isaac/Geno ballpark, since the last time they appeared in their series was Nuts and Bolts, which was over a decade ago (not including rerelease/spiritual successors).
I think another difference there is that Microsoft is still promoting Banjo, they're just not making anynew games. He's still present in promo material such as with the Game Pass, he's still being referenced and making cameos in other Microsoft titles. I don't think it's a stretch to say Microsoft isn't completely uncaring about Banjo.
 

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Of course. Ultimate seems to be striking a balance between core and casual character picks, and I don't think DLC will be much different in that regard, except that it'll lean more towards the casual side in the hopes of drawing in new players. That's where the differences between base game picks and DLC picks become apparent. DLC picks have further meaning. Banjo would be a great pick to appease core fans who might be alienated by choices like Erdrick. It's why I anticipate @Bolderousness' account being saved in one day due to Erdrick and Banjo both being revealed at E3. It's a smart move that appeals to the whole world (Erdrick for the East, Banjo for the West with some crossover occurring, of course).

But to say that "Banjo is an icon of Smash speculation and that is the main reason he's getting in" is ridiculous when there are obviously other factors at play here (i.e. Microsoft's relationship with Nintendo and willingness to lend Nintendo their IPs and services). If Banjo gets in it's due to a series of circumstances that happened to lined up to allow it, not the result of fan demand.

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Aw damn this means E3 is going to suck for me as we aren't getting Prime 4 there
 
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