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[DaybreakHorizon]

I watched that video, and I find that the points he makes are relatively good and I agree them simply on the basis of logically selling these characters.

Imagine following up Joker and the content in this pack with...a first party character that doesn’t have nearly as much interesting content to pull from.

It wasn’t Erdrick that caused speculation to change, and I don’t believe that was the point. Sakurai specifically tweeted about how each DLC pack will bring in spirits. It won’t just be Joker. It will be all 5 picks.

If you don’t think Spirits deconfirm fighters, then that’s fine, I don’t blame you. However, I would also suggest really considering the implications of that. Based on the several Mario spirits in the game, what would go on the DLC board for that character? Pokémon? Zelda? The spirits would be redundant at this point.

However, the only logical loopholes I can think of would be either Gen 8 Pokémon or Three Houses, because you can absolutely add a new stage, new characters as spirits, and new music. Despite this, I still personally find 1st parties to be at a clear disadvantage.

I also think there are new logical conclusions we can come to. Spirits, Mii Fighter costumes, and substantial content beyond that could quite possibly disconfirm arguably hundreds of characters. Spirits may not have been meant to disconfirm fighters, but that doesn’t matter much if all DLC is 3rd party.

With this in mind, the main cast of Sonic is spoken for. A large portion of the Street Fighter cast is spoken for. If the Wii U Mii Fighter costumes get brought over, and will be revealed as tie ins to soon-to-be-revealed DLC fighters, that means the Monster Hunter Mii Fighter costumes, which mimic the player character (otherwise known as the Hunter people would argue for Smash as playable) , along with the Mega Man costumes, would be revealed alongside a playable character from a Capcom franchise.

If the Twitter poll conducted by Hideki Kamiya is considered a soft disconfirmation, Dante and Amaterasu are out of the running, which would mean Resident Evil has no competition as the next Capcom Franchise. (This is a weaker point, mainly because who knows if Kamiya actually knows anything. We also already know Dante is out of the running as it is.)

Namco could potentially be in the same boat, and it may come down to Tekken or Tales. Both series had a Mii Fighter costume, and would need to reveal the previous ones in order to bring back old and new Mii Fighter outfits.

With this in mind, Square Enix will probably get Erdrick, and will reveal the Chocobo, potentially Dragon Quest costumes, and of course Geno. This brings back content from Wii U, introduced by the induction of a new character.

I think those implications are entirely possible. You folks expecting a first party should be careful, just saying. Don’t get yourself hyped up for disappointment.

I think Mii Costumes returning and DLC Spirits are one of the most interesting points for speculation. From them we can assume the following:

• DLC Mii Costumes from Sm4sh will likely return
  • this isn't entirely true since the Akira costume from Virtua Fighter did not return
  • This specifically affects Geno, Monster Hunter, Lloyd, and Heihachi
• Series with Spirits are at a disadvantage in terms of getting new fighters.
  • Spirits might literally disconfirm characters.

Furthermore, Joker's incredibly faithful representation has ramifications for DLC as a whole if we assume that every character will receive similar treatment. This effects Heihachi and Tekken fighters specifically. Sakurai said that incorporating Tekken's 3D movement in Smash was too difficult to include him in Smash 4, and I feel like, for DLC, if he can't incorporate Tekken's movement Heihachi, or any Tekken character for that matter, is highly unlikely.

So then, who's left?

In terms of Capcom, I feel like Scoliosis Jones ' point about Dante and Amaterasu is correct. We know for a fact Dante is out (), and I feel like Kamiya would know if Amaterasu was in given that he and Sakurai are friends. Sakurai would, at the very least, talk to Kamiya about Amaterasu's inclusion. So, Ammy is out. For the sake of the argument we'll say Megaman and Street Fighter are out since they already have characters and spirits that are in. This leaves two series from my point of view:

• Resident Evil, and
• Phoenix Wright

I'd give Resident Evil the advantage simply because it is undeniably one of Capcom's most popular and best selling series. However, the popularity and longevity of the Phoenix Wright franchise alongside the series' strong ties to Nintendo are not to be underestimated. I do feel like Resident Evil is more conducive to Mii Costumes, however.

In terms of Square Enix Dragon Quest simply makes the most sense, especially alongside all the other points in Erdrick's favor. I suppose Kingdom Hearts could be possible if Disney plays along, but that's highly unlikely. We get Erdrick as a fighter and other heroes as Mii Costumes (+ a Slime Hat) and Spirits. The Geno and Chocobo Mii Costumes also return (sorry Geno fans)

Namco is harder to figure out given that both Heihachi and Lloyd, the two most popular speculation picks, have Mii Costumes that could very likely make a return. Going based off of my prior argument against Tekken, we'll assume that it's out. So, who's left?

• A Tales of character (*that isn't Lloyd)
  • It could still be Lloyd given Sakurai's statement about Lloyd being "the only choice" for Tales of characters
• KOS-MOS
• Agumon

These are ranked in order of likelihood. I strongly believe in a Tales of character, but KOS-MOS is a dark horse pick given that she seems to be the de facto mascot of Namco in crossover games. Agumon is mentioned solely for the sake of appeasing Graizen because it's possible. Bonus points if the character is Lloyd and they start by revealing his Mii Costume.

Our final DLC fighter is going to either Banjo & Kazooie or Master Chief (I'd lean towards Banjo Kazooie). Steve and the character who doesn't get in between Banjo and Chief will be a Mii Costume. I'd bet on a Creeper Hat as well, and maybe we also get other characters from the Halo series as Mii Costumes (the Plasma Sword will be used for a Mii Swordfighter costume).

So, we're looking at:

• Joker
• Erdrick
• Banjo-Kazooie/Master Chief
• Resident Evil/Phoenix Wright
• Tales of/KOS-MOS

That's a mighty fine DLC pass if I do say so myself.

 

[Noipoi]

My favorite lyric from a Persona song is "Ur mom gay"

 

[Deleted member]

Wait, does Persona 5 take place in a dystopia?

 

[KMDP]

First Persona wasn't that bad, it started the series, has cool story bits and uh... thanks to it we have this:

I wonder whatever happened to Philemon.

 

[Gentlepanda]

'Y'all ******** I'm an intellectual' - Joker Persona5

this is indeed the phantom thieves in a nutshell

 

[praline]

I am hoping Joker is top tier, I am not going to lie.
Because it would be cool to see him in high level play often.

I don’t really care if he’s top tier or not I just want him to be fun.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Wait, does Persona 5 take place in a dystopia?

No.

It takes place in a society.

 

[staindgrey]

I'm pretty sure that if there were some lyrics that may be deemed offensive, they'll just remove the lyrics, as we all know the one thing Nintendo hates the most is a controversy, no matter how small.

Which is why FE: Fates has straight conversion therapy and incest romance options.

 

[Deleted member]

Ugh, I feel bad for not playing Persona. Actually, I haven't played a lot of Nintendo games. No Zelda, No Yoshi, No Metroid... Should I feel bad?

(Yes, I know Persona is not a Nintendo game.)

 

[praline]

Wait, does Persona 5 take place in a dystopia?

No it takes place in Japan in 2016.

 

[osby]

I wonder whatever happened to Philemon.

Probably stopped taking a corporeal form now that Nyarlatothep is defeated and prefers to show up as butterflies.

 

[Noipoi]

So, we're looking at:

• Joker
• Erdrick
• Banjo-Kazooie/Master Chief
• Resident Evil/Phoenix Wright
• Tales of/KOS-MOS

That's a mighty fine DLC pass if I do say so myself.

Oh yeah, that's pretty good. I'd be satisfied.

I mean minus a hundred points for no Sans but besides that.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

First Persona wasn't that bad, it started the series, has cool story bits and uh... thanks to it we have this:

>this song isnt in smash

wtf sakurai

 

[TheMightyP]

Hey guys, I know I said this before, but...

What if there WASN'T a Microsoft rep? Like, we all overhyped ourselfs thinking one was in? Then what?

 

[Deleted member]

You may ask yourself. "Why should Phoenix Wright be in Smash? A Resident Evil character makes more sense, and what would he even do for a Final Smash?"

Simple.

Out-do Joker.

I rest my case. Best Final Smash hands down. Y'all need to hop on the Phoenix train.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Hey guys, I know I said this before, but...

What if there WASN'T a Microsoft rep? Like, we all overhyped ourselfs thinking one was in? Then what?

We get cripplingly depressed.



Being serious if we don't get a Microsoft rep I think we'd get either a Bethesda rep, an SNK rep, or a Koei Tecmo rep. Each is good for their own reasons.

 

[KMDP]

Wait, does Persona 5 take place in a dystopia?

If you consider real world Japan a dystopia.

 

[Noipoi]

Hey guys, I know I said this before, but...

What if there WASN'T a Microsoft rep? Like, we all overhyped ourselfs thinking one was in? Then what?

But we want it to happen so it must

 

[staindgrey]

Let's get away from casual use of the word "********", guys.

Now I have a question: If I didn't really enjoy playing P4 Golden, what are the chances I'll enjoy P5?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

of all the days for my campus internet to donnk out on me

 

[RandomAce]

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this is too much, even for me

You made it worse.

 

[praline]

Oh yeah, that's pretty good. I'd be satisfied.

I mean minus a hundred points for no Sans but besides that.

Nah it’s plus 200 points for no Sans

 

[TheMightyP]

Which is why FE: Fates has straight conversion therapy and incest romance options.

Alright, I stand corrected.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Which is why FE: Fates has straight conversion therapy and incest romance options.

People who complain about Fates being ruined by censorship honestly drive me insane because they're saying that the Japanese script is actually good when in reality it isn't. We've seen some ****ing phenomenonal localizations in the entertainment industry but some cases are a lost cause (Funny enough I believe this is the reason Great Ace Attorney isn't getting localized at all). People didn't make it bad, it was already bad. Also those pundits made an 'accurate' fantranslation and they used goddamn pepe memes because 'uwu tweehouse bad and do meme'

 

[Iridium]

Hey guys, I know I said this before, but...

What if there WASN'T a Microsoft rep? Like, we all overhyped ourselfs thinking one was in? Then what?

I feel nothing.

 

[Noipoi]

I do think Nintendo and Microsoft's late night sleepovers talking about boys and whatever could lead to something though...

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I think Mii Costumes returning and DLC Spirits are one of the most interesting points for speculation. From them we can assume the following:

• DLC Mii Costumes from Sm4sh will likely return
  • this isn't entirely true since the Akira costume from Virtua Fighter did not return
  • This specifically affects Geno, Monster Hunter, Lloyd, and Heihachi
• Series with Spirits are at a disadvantage in terms of getting new fighters.
  • Spirits might literally disconfirm characters.

Furthermore, Joker's incredibly faithful representation has ramifications for DLC as a whole if we assume that every character will receive similar treatment. This effects Heihachi and Tekken fighters specifically. Sakurai said that incorporating Tekken's 3D movement in Smash was too difficult to include him in Smash 4, and I feel like, for DLC, if he can't incorporate Tekken's movement Heihachi, or any Tekken character for that matter, is highly unlikely.

So then, who's left?

In terms of Capcom, I feel like Scoliosis Jones ' point about Dante and Amaterasu is correct. We know for a fact Dante is out (), and I feel like Kamiya would know if Amaterasu was in given that he and Sakurai are friends. Sakurai would, at the very least, talk to Kamiya about Amaterasu's inclusion. So, Ammy is out. For the sake of the argument we'll say Megaman and Street Fighter are out since they already have characters and spirits that are in. This leaves two series from my point of view:

• Resident Evil, and
• Phoenix Wright

I'd give Resident Evil the advantage simply because it is undeniably one of Capcom's most popular and best selling series. However, the popularity and longevity of the Phoenix Wright franchise alongside the series' strong ties to Nintendo are not to be underestimated. I do feel like Resident Evil is more conducive to Mii Costumes, however.

In terms of Square Enix Dragon Quest simply makes the most sense, especially alongside all the other points in Erdrick's favor. I suppose Kingdom Hearts could be possible if Disney plays along, but that's highly unlikely. We get Erdrick as a fighter and other heroes as Mii Costumes (+ a Slime Hat) and Spirits. The Geno and Chocobo Mii Costumes also return (sorry Geno fans)

Namco is harder to figure out given that both Heihachi and Lloyd, the two most popular speculation picks, have Mii Costumes that could very likely make a return. Going based off of my prior argument against Tekken, we'll assume that it's out. So, who's left?

• A Tales of character (*that isn't Lloyd)
  • It could still be Lloyd given Sakurai's statement about Lloyd being "the only choice" for Tales of characters
• KOS-MOS
• Agumon

These are ranked in order of likelihood. I strongly believe in a Tales of character, but KOS-MOS is a dark horse pick given that she seems to be the de facto mascot of Namco in crossover games. Agumon is mentioned solely for the sake of appeasing Graizen because it's possible. Bonus points if the character is Lloyd and they start by revealing his Mii Costume.

Our final DLC fighter is going to either Banjo & Kazooie or Master Chief (I'd lean towards Banjo Kazooie). Steve and the character who doesn't get in between Banjo and Chief will be a Mii Costume. I'd bet on a Creeper Hat as well, and maybe we also get other characters from the Halo series as Mii Costumes (the Plasma Sword will be used for a Mii Swordfighter costume).

So, we're looking at:

• Joker
• Erdrick
• Banjo-Kazooie/Master Chief
• Resident Evil/Phoenix Wright
• Tales of/KOS-MOS

That's a mighty fine DLC pass if I do say so myself.

No.

It takes place in a society.

Guess which one got more likes?

 

[KMDP]

You may ask yourself. "Why should Phoenix Wright be in Smash? A Resident Evil character makes more sense, and what would he even do for a Final Smash?"

Simple.

Out-do Joker.

Nick would defend Joker in court for what happened to Okumura and it probably wouldn't even be his strangest case.

 

[Metal Shop X]

So I removed the cache I had on my navigator, and now Smashboard look broken in some places, but hey, atleast I can finally see now.

 

[osby]

Hey guys, I know I said this before, but...

What if there WASN'T a Microsoft rep? Like, we all overhyped ourselfs thinking one was in? Then what?

Just another day in Smash speculation.

Let's get away from casual use of the word "********", guys.

Now I have a question: If I didn't really enjoy playing P4 Golden, what are the chances I'll enjoy P5?

Depends on what you didn't like. If you weren't a fan of writing, don't expect Persona 5 to outdo it.

 

[Fenriraga]

No.

It takes place in a society.

I despise how correct that statement is.

 

[Hinata]

Let's get away from casual use of the word "********", guys.

Now I have a question: If I didn't really enjoy playing P4 Golden, what are the chances I'll enjoy P5?

Depends on what you didn't like.

 

[Noipoi]

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Guess which one got more likes?

In this world it's meme or be memed

 

[PeridotGX]

ROUND 2 RESULTS!
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Fawful continues his rampage, slaughtering Ant-Man

Dante was thoroughly beating King Dedede (representing Just a penguin ). But Dedede made the comeback of the century (definitely saving that battle).

Wheatley wins against the Flamingo. Boring battle.

Sigma and Min Min spend the first 15 seconds camping on oppisite sides of the stage. Then they both SD. Sigma gets a cheesy kill by throwing too close to the blast zone. Funny match.

Link (representing Iridium ) VS KMDP starts out biased in Link's favor. An unexpected stage morph to Shadow Moses changes that, and KDMP comes out on top!

Sans VS @ShotoStar continues Sans's reign of disrespectful victories.

Midbus VS Chrom is a close but uneventful match. Chrom narrowly takes a lead.

Sackler VS Decidueye is pretty close, but Decidueye takes the lead.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

You're forgetting that DLC characters don't share their workload with dozens of other characters and base game material

That's what I meant by " I understand the idea of roster work-load".

And what everyone is saying is true. ALL characters have been getting more and more attention to detail in the last couple games. It's just disappointing to see some of those original icons without any alternate costumes or the mechanics from their games. Add to that the DLC characters getting things like totally unique inputs (Ryu) or new celebration mechanics (Joker)... and it just makes you sad for what other characters might be under different circumstances.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Hey guys, I know I said this before, but...

What if there WASN'T a Microsoft rep? Like, we all overhyped ourselfs thinking one was in? Then what?

People are gonna get unnecessarily upset no matter what, so...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Let's get away from casual use of the word "********", guys.

Now I have a question: If I didn't really enjoy playing P4 Golden, what are the chances I'll enjoy P5?

That depends, what didn't you enjoy about P4? If it was the writing then aaaaahahahahahaha P5 will make you scream into your pillow at night

 

[Pyra]

Kirby’s got a gun
His dog day’s just begun
Now every fighter is on the run

What did the Galeem do?
It’s Kirby’s last IOU

He had to take him down easy and put a bullet in his brain
He said ‘poyo’

 

[Metal Shop X]

Oh hey, it look good now.

This post aged really badly really fast.

So I removed the cache I had on my navigator, and now Smashboard look broken in some places, but hey, atleast I can finally see now.

Stupid old rabbit!

 

[Deleted member]

Fawful continues his rampage, slaughtering Ant-Man

goddammit who's gonna avenge the fallen now