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- U.F.B. Crew Thread - IT'S ALIVE IT'S ALIVE!!!!! "ROLL 'EM UP" DEC. 21

M@v

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Roxas215 said:
Certain characters can run from it. You tell me what the hell x-23 and vjoe are going to do against a lv 3 xfactor sent/chun/or dormy.



While i agree timeouts are kinda crazy at this point(I've had more timeouts in a week in mvc3 then i have over my entire 6 years of playing mvc2) i still wouldn't compare it to brawl. brawl is 8 mins. MvC3 is 99 secs. And the reason there is so many timeouts are because
1-The damage output is so high so people are playing very conservative
2-People are still dropping combos left and right.



Phoenix is far from the problem that is making this game lame. X-factor as a whole is what's laming the game. Every "broken" tactic(I say broken loosely cause the game is still fresh) are only possible cause of x-factor.

Phoenix dies in 4 hits. No matter what she can do you can't be broken when you die in 4 hits.

People act like Phoenix is the only "high risk/high reward" character invented. Like strider didn't exist in mvc2. In fact Phoenix plays EXACTLY LIKE STRIDER. Just with a bigger reward when played right.

I also find it funny that before the game came out we were all saying how free she was now people are saying she is breaking the game. Lol.


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Why do people think like this? Why should u have a "easy button" when your in a combo? You shouldn't have a cop out. If i start a combo on you i shouldn't be able to lose it of cause you don't want to get hit by it. And people act like mega crash was some sort of miracle fighting mechanic.

Mega Crash was the sole reason Zero dominated that game. Zero was intended to be a pure rushdown character with very high offense but low defense. Meaning he can whoop your *** but once u get a hit on him he is very fragile. However with Mega crash in the game even when u get a hit on him it didn't matter cause he can just throw you off of him.

So say Mega Crash was in this game. Characters ike Hulk/Sent/Thor/and Dormy who have crazy health just becomes even better cause now the combo that you actually did land on him even though it barely harmed them mega crash will now completely keep u from killing them anyway. Especially with certain characters having meter assists and the cross over exchange giving u so much meter to begin with.

Mega Crash is a very bad mechanic to be in a "vs" type game. The "Burst" system in Blazblue is a great example on how to make a feature like that work.



Everyone was saying how gay that was at the tournament. I honestly think KT would of won that round. He got spanked on PS2 though.
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I don't feel like losing an entire character over 1 small mistake either. Thats just ********. I can see losing 1/3 your health, or even half your health. But the combos in the game are so crazy. Give people a couple more months and your going to die because you pushed one wrong button. Feeling like smash 64 here. It doesn't have to work like crush and costs 1 energy bar. There should just be some sort of defensive mechanic in this game that allows a combo break. Advancing guard is the only real defensive maneuver, and you have to guard to begin with. Why do you think people are playing so campy right now? Brawl is over board on the defensive options so dont go that extreme obviously. But at the same time I feel mvc3 is overboard on the offensive options.
 
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Roxas215 said:
Yea i think Dormanmu and Sentinel are the sole reasons xfactor is total BS in this game.(Chun-Li to an extent)
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xfactor phoenix is much worse. at least you can run away from dorms and sents stuff for the most part. Dark phoenix kills you without actually landing hits because the chip is insane.
 
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Zucco said:
xfactor phoenix is much worse. at least you can run away from dorms and sents stuff for the most part. Dark phoenix kills you without actually landing hits because the chip is insane.
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Very true. However dp isn't guaranteed. I swear ppl are not focusing on snap backs enough. Dp has yet to win a tourney(granted only 2 notable tournaments happened so far)

But the chip is just ******** in this game in general.

M@v said:
I don't feel like losing an entire character over 1 small mistake either. Thats just ********. I can see losing 1/3 your health, or even half your health. But the combos in the game are so crazy. Give people a couple more months and your going to die because you pushed one wrong button. Feeling like smash 64 here. It doesn't have to work like crush and costs 1 energy bar. There should just be some sort of defensive mechanic in this game that allows a combo break. Advancing guard is the only real defensive maneuver, and you have to guard to begin with. Why do you think people are playing so campy right now? Brawl is over board on the defensive options so dont go that extreme obviously. But at the same time I feel mvc3 is overboard on the offensive options.
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The marvel games have always been offensive minded. Mega crush was only in tvc and that's not even a official part of the series. There are no infs in this game(nothing yet anyway. Akumas is a loop ans x23 is only possible during xfactor.)

A combo is a combo. You have the tools to defend yourself. And as always u have the tools to do your own combos back.
 
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Someone please explain what happened with the tourney Zucco went to? Who won?

Yes just told me Zucco got 2nd at the tournament. I'm happy he beat all the gangstas from NY. Hate the SF community.
 
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M@v said:
My main problem with Mvc3 is how your completely helpless during a combo unless they mess up. At least Tvc had a crush that costed 1 bar......
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Like how Ur completely helpless during icies cain grab, or falcoz chain grab or dddz infinite on dk and the only way u can get out is if they mess up -_-... get over that fact that's y they are called combos nd some of them take a lot of skill
 
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dextasmurf said:
Like how Ur completely helpless during icies cain grab, or falcoz chain grab or dddz infinite on dk and the only way u can get out is if they mess up -_-... get over that fact that's y they are called combos nd some of them take a lot of skill
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It's called a fighting game, it's how they work.
 
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dextasmurf said:
Like how Ur completely helpless during icies cain grab, or falcoz chain grab or dddz infinite on dk and the only way u can get out is if they mess up -_-... get over that fact that's y they are called combos nd some of them take a lot of skill
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Those are just a couple examples. Every character in MVC3 can do at least half a life bar of damage easily to you if you make one mistake.

Some fighting games have crazier combos than other. Competitive Brawl has the right amount of combos I prefer. MVC3 has a little too much for me but I still play it.
 
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dextasmurf said:
Like how Ur completely helpless during icies cain grab, or falcoz chain grab or dddz infinite on dk and the only way u can get out is if they mess up -_-... get over that fact that's y they are called combos nd some of them take a lot of skill
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As keitaro said, pretty much EVERY character in the game can do this. In brawl its "oh icies, dk, or falco, dont get grabbed"

In Mvc3 its "Oh its any character in the game, don't get hit "
 
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vVv ChiboSempai said:
zucco got 2nd, but someone he sent to losers came back and won GFs with that crazy broken phoenix technique
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Nah I never played him until Grand Finals. He was knocked into losers by Andre, who I fought in WF. Wish I studied Phoenix alittle more. Might have done better.
 
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M@v said:
As keitaro said, pretty much EVERY character in the game can do this. In brawl its "oh icies, dk, or falco, dont get grabbed"

In Mvc3 its "Oh its any character in the game, don't get hit "
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As u already said. EVERY character can do this. How are u complaining about something that you also have access to?? Now granted this same mindset can also be used for x-factor itself. However x-factor boosts are different for each character. For example morrigan only gets a 1.0 damage boost. SENTINEL GETS A 2.0

There are different type of characters in this game. Keepaway zoners rushdown mid range etc. These different types also with 3 different assists for each character gives you the tools to defend yourself. If someone gets the hit on you they deserve the combo they are going to go after. Same as if you yourself get the hit off you deserve whatever your going to follow up with.

Time and time again people say "DONT GET GRABBED" with ice climbers. If the ic's get the grab there deserve the chaingrab because the person they playing knows good and well what there up against. Same mindset is used for this game. YOU KNOW that every character has damaging combos. You should be doing everything in your power to not get caught. This is the sole reason why so many time outs are happening right now(That and alot of dropped combos)

This whole series was built on the air combo system. It's a part of the game. It just seems drastic in this game because the damage output is so high.
 
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