Twin Christmas Parties 3+4 Mafia {The Matryoshka Scandal.} ~ Over! Who had the merriest Christmas? Who got lumps of coal?

[#HBC | Kary]

or not

idk!

 

[Kantrip]

@Swords: Which is why Kary is actually a part of the actual mafia faction, along with 2 other players.

OS saying the presents line up is ******** of him. Take away alignment conversions. Go off of what everyone started with (AKA, WHAT'S IN THEIR PRESENT)

Inquisitor (BRB, Not Posting)
Inquisitor's Aspect (Le Bataleur)

Lover's Pillowmaster (J)

Mafia (Kary)
Mafia (<alive player>)
Mafia (<alive player>)

That's 6. Overswarm and Joker being paranoid about me being indy is just an attempt to discredit what I'm trying to say. I'm dying anyways due to poison, so pointing that out serves no purpose other than to try to make people ignore the reason I'm attempting to knock into them.

By the way, I got revived as Town.

 

[Kantrip]

OS saying the presents don't*** line up

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Kantrip: So you believe that Kary is just trolling about being executioner?

I was pretty mfw I saw OS's case that relied on this huge assumption that Kary was indy. However Kary changing up his claim is trolling my head. I'm thinking like 40% Kary is actually indie and 60% Kary is just trolling.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Votecount 6-1

5/8 to lynch.

Kary [

]: Sworddancer., BarDulL


Not voting [

]: Circus, Overswarm, PrivateJoker-Brown, JTB, Kary, Potassium

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[collapse=Vote Log] Circus
Overswarm
Sworddancer. > Kary
PrivateJoker-Brown
BarDulL > Kary
JTB
Kary
Potassium
[/collapse]

Day 6 ends December 22th (next Saturday) at 17:00 EST.

 

[Overswarm]

@Swords: Which is why Kary is actually a part of the actual mafia faction, along with 2 other players.

OS saying the presents line up is ******** of him. Take away alignment conversions. Go off of what everyone started with (AKA, WHAT'S IN THEIR PRESENT)

Inquisitor (BRB, Not Posting)
Inquisitor's Aspect (Le Bataleur)

Lover's Pillowmaster (J)

Mafia (Kary)
Mafia (<alive player>)
Mafia (<alive player>)

That's 6. Overswarm and Joker being paranoid about me being indy is just an attempt to discredit what I'm trying to say. I'm dying anyways due to poison, so pointing that out serves no purpose other than to try to make people ignore the reason I'm attempting to knock into them.

By the way, I got revived as Town.

By the way, you don't have to try to convince anyone. You flip and then we'll see.

You wouldn't even show up with the presents. Ran was indy too. You're bringing this up like you can't be independent because you didn't start the game as indy? You were revived as an independent and given this game's structure I doubt wholeheartedly that J was supposed to be an individual indie waiting days to find Ranmaru as his partner and then those two specific characters were supposed to ride it out to end game. That's an impossible wincon for J to fulfill.

What's more JTB HAS REPEATEDLY SAID SOMEONE CAN STILL BE RECRUITED. ERGO, INDEPENDENTS CURRENTLY EXIST.

Kary has to be indy. If Kary wasn't indy the game would be over and it isn't.

You have to be indy. You rallied against the J lynch until you had no choice but to bus him.

ToNight you will die. We will kill PJB. Then Town will have a numbers advantage guaranteed.

Btw Kary, you can vote yourself and end it here if you want.

He won't because he hasn't given up. No one can be recruited this game without very specific circumstances coming into play. I refuse to let an independent choose their terms.

Notice how Kantrip specifically requested that Circus target him? That Kary tried to direct mafia to Sworddancer?

There's some sort of stipulation to how they can recruit if they can recruit at all. If we don't play into their hands then they can't recruit. No Lynching allows us to eliminate only ONE of the independents and have toMorrow to lynch mafia.

 

[BarDulL]

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[Kantrip]

@Kantrip: So you believe that Kary is just trolling about being executioner?

I was pretty mfw I saw OS's case that relied on this huge assumption that Kary was indy. However Kary changing up his claim is trolling my head. I'm thinking like 40% Kary is actually indie and 60% Kary is just trolling.

You got a mafia result. There is very little doubt in my mind that he is mafia.

He's trying to mess with your head, that's his goal. Don't think too much about it and just know we're lynching him. I just still need time to read.

@OS: Ran started as town and was "thinking about who he really is" or something. His flip even said "formerly town scanner-cop". That part of his claim was true. Which of course means his result on you was true, but we knew that Mr. Overscum, didn't we? So he didn't start out as indy, which means still 6 presents. Stop trying so hard with your **** on why Kary is indy and we shouldn't lynch him.

Overswarm is trying to save Kary guys, how much more blatant does this need to be?

 

[Kantrip]

And oh my gawd the "note how Kantrip tried to get Circus to target him" is also pissing me off. It should be pretty ****ing obvious why I wanted Circus to target me on a J scumflip. Instead Swords did which works just as well, or are you insinuating I've recruited Swords over to this super-indy faction with the reviving lover J and his delayed cop lover Ran? Wow, that 4-man recruiting indy faction in a game with ANOTHER ****ING RECRUITING INDY FACTION.

Overswarm dies immediately after Kary, even if he DOES manage to shoot. It's just ridiculous.

 

[Kantrip]

...Wait OS is suggesting a NL? Are you literally excreting me as waste out of your anus right now?

And stop twisting the intentions of outlining the game's initial scum. Sure I'm indy right now, cool, whatever. I'm dying toNight and my faction will be dead and gone so what do you care? The only reason you're bringing attention to this is to distract it from players who aren't currently poisoned. **** off. Look at my numbers again. Those are the 6 presents. The Pillowmaster, the Inquisitor, and the Inquisitor's aspect are the starting indies, and there is a 3-man mafia team. That was my purpose for the numbers.

To show you we have a 3-man team going on right here, and you're the indy if there's any indy still in this game Mr. targeted-by-a-kill-and-a-protect-with-an-Inquisitor. Since there is only a 3-man team (we thought four yesterDay because we didn't forsee the indy Lovers), Kary does not at ****ing all have to be indy.

Swords. Got. A. ****ing. Mafia. Result.

Anyone even letting seeds of doubt begin to sprout in your brain from Kary and Overswarm's bull needs to stop and think for a moment.

 

[BarDulL]

I do not for the life of me understand Sword's reaction tbqh. This should be clean and simple.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

*claps hands loudly*

OS NO!

Like seriously dude, can you stop interpreting things in the most paranoid fashion possible?

OS, we've already had FOUR INDIES flip. One of which had to be recruited. Yet you want us to believe that there is somehow another two indies plus a mafia fraction? If you're right, then this game would be TERRIBLY stacked against town. Even if we're to assume only two mafia, that leaves 6 scum with THREE DIFFERENT RECRUITS. Three different indies plus mafia. Just . . . no. That's too swingy no matter how you cut it. Private or not.

Also, you're making a huge amount of assumptions to justify your logic. Why are you assuming that JTB is telling the truth? Why are you assuming that Kary is not lying about being executioner? Why are you assuming that Ran was the only person J could recruit? Why are you assuming that the mafia can't recruit? Why are you assuming that you know how this set up works AT ALL?

Do you realize that by your own logic the numbers still don't work out? So you're assuming for one that JTB is telling the truth. Okay, fine, whatever. If he is telling the truth, then there are only 3-4 scum left. You're saying that Kary and Kantrip are two of them. So, you believe then that we're only dealing with a one man or a two man mafia? Cus that just doesn't seem likely to me.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

*slaps self in face*

I'm sorry Kantrip (and barDull, I guess >.>), you're right. I just let OS's FUD seeds creep into my head a little bit too much there.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'M a bit pied about how OS is seriously suggesting Kantrip indy right now.

"Notice how he wanted Circus to target him? Obviously it's because he's part of some super mega ultra indie team that recruits out the gazooing by simply being targeted. That makes much more sense then the idea that he simply wanted to confirm his role."

*fart sound*

 

[BarDulL]

Sword. You have literally all the information you need to take a gigantic proverbial **** on Kary. Why aren't you voting Kary?

Even if Kantrip was Indy, that doesn't change anything man. Kantrip was not only targeted with a kill last night, but he also wouldn't cause a majority with our biggest threat, which is the mafioso scum team.

Secondly, you friggin' GOT A MAFIA RESULT ON KARY.

Man, my head is hurting from this. Why aren't you voting for Kary yet?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I am voting Kary though? 0_0

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Except he wanted to be targeted by a guy who can't tell his alignment from his results?

I agree that the idea of Kantrip recruiting by baiting people into targetting him is extremely outlandish, but that doesn't mean he isn't Indy, and it doesn't explain why he wanted Circus on him instead of Swords.

Circus targetting Kantrip last night would not, and could not have confirmed Kantrip's alignment.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh no Bardull this isn't about convincing Swords between me and Kary.

@Joker: I wanted Circus on me in the event of a J scum flip because that would have, in my eyes at the time, meant a clear Circus. J flipping indy means that's not necessarily true (although it does confirm his result which I do like, and I do have a townread on Circus from his play). I didn't want Circus on me to confirm my alignment, and I don't know where you're getting that from. I simply wanted him to target me because then we'd have a pretty dang townie slot getting my result. I had already mentioned to Swords that I wanted him on me in the event of a J townflip. Circus was just a better choice to me because his role is less useful and he would have been more townie.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I was referring more so Circus getting a note like I did. The idea that Kantrip was trying to recruit Circus is so outlandish that I'm not even going to give it a second thought. So honestly who cares about his reasoning?

Circus can't target me because I'm ascetic.

 

[BarDulL]

Wow, I feel so dumb. I completely missed your revote on Kary, Sword. Myyyy bad.

Look, can we just end this dude? Everyone do what they think is best and just go with it.

 

[BarDulL]

I don't see Kary not being lynched toDay. Lets just hardbody him and call it a day.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh no Bardull this isn't about convincing Swords between me and Kary.

@Joker: I wanted Circus on me in the event of a J scum flip because that would have, in my eyes at the time, meant a clear Circus. J flipping indy means that's not necessarily true (although it does confirm his result which I do like, and I do have a townread on Circus from his play). I didn't want Circus on me to confirm my alignment, and I don't know where you're getting that from. I simply wanted him to target me because then we'd have a pretty dang townie slot getting my result. I had already mentioned to Swords that I wanted him on me in the event of a J townflip. Circus was just a better choice to me because his role is less useful and he would have been more townie.

I hope that makes sense.

@Bolded: In all fairness, I was the one to say that "You wanted to confirm your role," so it was my misinterpretation of what you were trying to do that made PJB think that.

 

[Kantrip]

@Bardull: I still want to read and decide the third between JTB/Joker or maybe even you/Circus

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Wow, I feel so dumb. I completely missed your revote on Kary, Sword. Myyyy bad.

Look, can we just end this dude? Everyone do what they think is best and just go with it.

Wasn't a revote.

There's no reason to end toDay now. As long as we can successfully keep out FUDswarm then we can put more information on the table. No reason not to, right?

 

[Circus]

Prod dodging. Haven't read anything because work has absolutely razed my *** to the ground the last two days and I need to decompress. I'll be able to get into things properly tomorrow because I'll have the evening off.

 

[BarDulL]

Wasn't a revote.

There's no reason to end toDay now. As long as we can successfully keep out FUDswarm then we can put more information on the table. No reason not to, right?

That's fine so long as we're getting somewhere, and I agree with keeping FUDswarm quiet.

 

[Overswarm]

And oh my gawd the "note how Kantrip tried to get Circus to target him" is also pissing me off. It should be pretty ****ing obvious why I wanted Circus to target me on a J scumflip. Instead Swords did which works just as well, or are you insinuating I've recruited Swords over to this super-indy faction with the reviving lover J and his delayed cop lover Ran? Wow, that 4-man recruiting indy faction in a game with ANOTHER ****ING RECRUITING INDY FACTION.

Overswarm dies immediately after Kary, even if he DOES manage to shoot. It's just ridiculous.

No, it doesn't work as well because Swords is ascetic. Circus looking at your slot doesn't DO anything. You already flipped. It changes absolutely nothing.

Why DID you want Circus to check on you? He doesn't get alignment. He figures out if you go to ****ing school.

I don't believe for a second that J recruited you as town. My bet is that he is an indy that had to find his partner and then was able to revive a player into his faction. Can this recruited player recruit? maybe.


Again, JTB has confirmed that there is a recruiting possibility in this game.

This is not paranoia. This is interpretation of information.

...Wait OS is suggesting a NL? Are you literally excreting me as waste out of your anus right now?

You are worthless. I don't believe Kary is mafia for a second because the game already proved Kary wasn't mafia through math. It's far more likely you're able to manipulate your results post-recruit; wouldn't put it past it this game.

And stop twisting the intentions of outlining the game's initial scum. Sure I'm indy right now, cool, whatever. I'm dying toNight and my faction will be dead and gone so what do you care? The only reason you're bringing attention to this is to distract it from players who aren't currently poisoned. **** off. Look at my numbers again. Those are the 6 presents. The Pillowmaster, the Inquisitor, and the Inquisitor's aspect are the starting indies, and there is a 3-man mafia team. That was my purpose for the numbers.

And I told you that they are irrelevant.

*claps hands loudly*

OS NO!

Like seriously dude, can you stop interpreting things in the most paranoid fashion possible?

No, never.

At what point has paranoia been a bad idea for this game? we've had 4 independents flip and 0 mafia AND THERE STILL IS AN ALIGNMENT CHANGING FACTOR.

OS, we've already had FOUR INDIES flip. One of which had to be recruited. Yet you want us to believe that there is somehow another two indies plus a mafia fraction?

Yup.

If you're right, then this game would be TERRIBLY stacked against town. Even if we're to assume only two mafia, that leaves 6 scum with THREE DIFFERENT RECRUITS.

That have to attempt to do so with ascetics, a jailer, and multiple doctor roles.

This game has had FOUR independents flip and we killed in Inquisitor right away. There were supposed to be more. How many Night have there been no kill? The game could have been over by now with a mafia victory but it isn't.

Three different indies plus mafia. Just . . . no. That's too swingy no matter how you cut it. Private or not.

Occam's Razor. If a game seems to look too swingy, it's because it is. The game is designed to be swingy, you know this. Look at the roles that have flipped! The inquisitor only recruits if the person is protected? An independent faction can revive a dead flipped player? Mafia poisoner has to deal with multiple doctors and ascetics? The game's swingy, play like it's swingy.

Also, you're making a huge amount of assumptions to justify your logic. Why are you assuming that JTB is telling the truth? Why are you assuming that Kary is not lying about being executioner? Why are you assuming that Ran was the only person J could recruit? Why are you assuming that the mafia can't recruit? Why are you assuming that you know how this set up works AT ALL?

Because I've thought about it and I'm going with what makes most logical sense.

Why do I assume that JTB is telling the truth? Because why wouldn't he be?

He's either A) mafia or B) town.

If he's mafia and he's lying for no reason, that's dumb. He could have just removed the "and someone's alignment can change" after J died or not had it at all. He predicted the existence of a recruiting role and it was legit. Did YOU expect J/Ran lovers? Would you have role claimed by guessing that a recruiting role existed AFTER the recruiting independent was revealed?

Ran was probably the only person J can recruit because they made a game specifically about those two characters and they were lovers, so it fits like a T flavor wise and flipped as such.

Kary might be lying about executioner. Might not. Can't quite confirm, but you what? If he's mafia then he isn't an executioner because he'd just USE it. They could alpha right now and the game would be done.

3 scum, 5 town/indy combo? alpha strike immediately with execution. down to 3 scum 3 town, game over.

i.e., Kary is mafia or Kary has another role. WHAT role? Not a ****ing clue.

Doesn't matter for toDay, all that matters for toDay is that Kantrip claimed a mafia result on Kary when it can't possibly exist. Kary is obviously independent and I don't know how you cannot fathom that. Your result was given to you specifically by Kantrip and Kantrip's play didn't fit at all.

Look, how did Kantrip die?

It was a kill that Night right? There's La B and Kantrip. The only two instant kills in the game are the Inquisitor and Soup.

We didn't hear a result from soup. So either soup targeted La B or, if La B was a flavor kill (doubtful given death results), targeted me.

Kantrip dies from Inquisitor.

So we have 0 results from Kantrip who has:

A) been revived by an independent
B) been super aggressive about defending J up until the point that J is going to get lynched
C) joins in after being "convinced by Circus" at the very tail end of the lynch when it comes down to a No Lynch or J
D) has constantly insinuated that I've been targeted and recruited by the Inquisitor when that isn't possible given the information we have
E) directs people to use an ability on him and then gives them a "Kary is mafia" result, supposedly.

Didn't hear **** from the poisoner which isn't surprising, but that kinda makes sense.

Now that last part DOES confuse me. How exactly does an Ascetic get Kantrip's message? Dunno. Mafia knows if it's BS or maybe it just bends the rules or has a loophole.

Either way, Kary can't be mafia. Numbers man. NUMBERS.

Look at Kary's play. Look at the reaction post condemnation. Kary could have just given up and disappeared and said "f this game" but instead he tried to goad mafia into a specific direction after claiming something that SHOULD get him lynched.

Why would you claim something that is supposed to get you lynched

then change your claim to something else that is supposed to get you lynched

aaaaaaand then not just leave. He obviously didn't claim his real role. Either time. I don't take the answer "he's ****ing with us" as a serious answer when JTB says someone can still recruit.

If Kary is an independent, and Kary can recruit, Kary has to recruit in a certain way. If Kary could just straight up recruit then it would have happened last Night. I'm assuming the recruiting in this game works the same throughout all roles in that it takes a specific circumstance to come about.

Do you realize that by your own logic the numbers still don't work out? So you're assuming for one that JTB is telling the truth. Okay, fine, whatever. If he is telling the truth, then there are only 3-4 scum left. You're saying that Kary and Kantrip are two of them. So, you believe then that we're only dealing with a one man or a two man mafia? Cus that just doesn't seem likely to me.

I don't know if independents even come up as scum to JTB. Regardless, I know that there IS an independent left unless mafia can recruit. If mafia can recruit then the game's ****ing over because we haven't killed one.

As for a two man mafia? Eh, I don't see it either. But I also didn't see a 2-man indy lover team that only activates around Day 4. Does THAT seem likely to you?

You've gotta take your head out of the sand and realize conventional wisdom doesn't apply in this game.

All I know is Kary is independent and that's the only reason we haven't lost this game. If we lynch Kary WE WILL LOSE.

We will NOT lose if we just wait a phase because if that would lose us the game then we would have lost anyway.

We have to lynch mafia and NOT independent. That is how we win. Lynching an independent = lose at this point.

Sword. You have literally all the information you need to take a gigantic proverbial **** on Kary. Why aren't you voting Kary?

Even if Kantrip was Indy, that doesn't change anything man. Kantrip was not only targeted with a kill last night, but he also wouldn't cause a majority with our biggest threat, which is the mafioso scum team.

Secondly, you friggin' GOT A MAFIA RESULT ON KARY.

Man, my head is hurting from this. Why aren't you voting for Kary yet?

How can you possibly think Kary is mafia?

a;wegljawgjawe

For the last time

the numbers

do
not

add
up


If Kary is mafia

and there's 4 scum

there's 8 players

scum would win immediately. It takes 5 to lynch.

It takes TWO factions to lynch Kary toDay and town will not help mafia lynch Kary.

You and PJB are my mafia scum reads and I think you're both pushing towards Kary and thinking you hit the jackpot.

 

[Kantrip]

What is this almighty math you speak of that proves Kary can't be mafia? You're full of ****. It's a 3-man team. This is 100% confirmed just learn to math. You're uselss.

Overswarm you are a strongman. The way roles work in this setup means you shouldn't have gotten that quality until after soup died, at which point your Potential modifier would change your role into that of a vig. That's how backups have been handled in this setup.

Then I look at how Kary has behaved towards you. Day 1 he called you town. Day 2 and onwards he had you lumped in his top scumpicks constantly. So what changed? You were recruited by the Inquisitor. Thank you very much.

Hey look at the math, a member of the mafia got recruited as an indy. I guess that means mafia has less members so things you're trying to say are impossible are actually possible. Best part is, they were never impossible.

Get this through your thick skull. There are not 4 scummers. There are 3. You're actually ********.

Oh man you're insinuating I tailored a result for Sworddancer. You saw me flip Town Consulting Detective. You saying you don't believe what I'm saying Consulting does? Good, because I don't buy for a minute what you say Persistant does.

The quote you have from JTB says "there are 3-4 scum", so why the **** are you pretending like we have confirmation there are four?

Ugh you're getting me so worked up over this.

I'm just going to try to use my ability on a possible scum toNight. I'd like Circus AND Swords on me if possible, but just one will do I suppose. Both is just the best bet.

FoS: Overscum

Vote: Kary

 

[Kantrip]

The fact that you are pushing so strongly off of some supposed math that stems from private (aka not strictly accurate) vague data from a player who is very possibly scum and using that as a basis for trying to clear a player who has 2 slots co-confirming a guilty on him and 2 other slots agreeing to lynch him (oh man must be 4 mafia) is literally dumbfounding.

The fact that you actually get people to follow you by ****ting bricks until you make a wall even moreso. Good night.

 

[Kantrip]

"How did a claimed Ascetic even get Kantrip's note?"

BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN INDY MESSAGE-SENDING ABILITY AND IS SOMETHING HE RECEIVED FROM THE MOD BECAUSE OF HIM TARGETING ME. I DID NOT HAVE TO TARGET SWORDS AT ALL AND THIS PROVES THAT POINT.

Every time I look at an OS post I just see more and more fecal matter brimming from his lips.

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm you are a strongman. The way roles work in this setup means you shouldn't have gotten that quality until after soup died, at which point your Potential modifier would change your role into that of a vig. That's how backups have been handled in this setup.

Then I look at how Kary has behaved towards you. Day 1 he called you town. Day 2 and onwards he had you lumped in his top scumpicks constantly. So what changed? You were recruited by the Inquisitor. Thank you very much.

So you were saying that

La B
Soup
Myself

were all targeted with an instant kill, the inquisitor and soup being the only one-shot kills shown ever in this game.

Two people flip as kills immediately and Swords claim I was hit with a kill.

How exactly was I hit by the Inquisitor when there were already two flips?

And how, exactly, do you assume that both Kary AND myself were protected and recruited by the Inquisitor on N1?

The difference between you and me is that I look at the possibilities that could be and choose the safest option. You come to a conclusion before you have all the evidence and then you try to imagine situations where it could fit instead of saying "but what if...?"

 

[Kantrip]

Kary wasn't recruited by the Inquisitor. You and him started as scummates, and you got recruited. Kary is still ****ing mafia, as I've been saying. Durrrrrrr.

What I'm saying is that you, being Mafia Strongman, were the mafia kill, and when they lost you they gained poison. You guys killed me, the Inquisitor tried to kill you, and soup killed Le Bat. Then poison came into the mix upon you being recruited. Or hell maybe Persistant makes you immune to recruiting and with your Potential modifier you just changed into a Poisoner? What I do know is you're not a back-up strongman vig.

If you call what you're doing "looking at possibilities", then how come you haven't looked at the one where you're a ****ing moron and there is a 3-man mafia team with Kary on it left? Or perhaps the one where JTB's results can't be trusted because he's getting them in private and he could be scum? And I KNOW you haven't considered the one where maybe I'm town? Or where Swords got an actual result and he's town too? Heaven forbid we might both be town....

 

[Overswarm]

"How did a claimed Ascetic even get Kantrip's note?"

BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN INDY MESSAGE-SENDING ABILITY AND IS SOMETHING HE RECEIVED FROM THE MOD BECAUSE OF HIM TARGETING ME. I DID NOT HAVE TO TARGET SWORDS AT ALL AND THIS PROVES THAT POINT.

Every time I look at an OS post I just see more and more fecal matter brimming from his lips.

Wait, you're right. Ascetics don't just nullify abilities, they nullify targeting. It's kinda like how some superman-esque roles can be affected by global events, but not by targeted events.

That raises more questions. Ascetics don't have to be targeted to be have an ability affect them.

I have to think on this one.

 

[Overswarm]

Kary wasn't recruited by the Inquisitor. You and him started as scummates, and you got recruited. Kary is still ****ing mafia, as I've been saying. Durrrrrrr.

What I'm saying is that you, being Mafia Strongman, were the mafia kill, and when they lost you they gained poison. You guys killed me, the Inquisitor tried to kill you, and soup killed Le Bat. Then poison came into the mix upon you being recruited. Or hell maybe Persistant makes you immune to recruiting and with your Potential modifier you just changed into a Poisoner? What I do know is you're not a back-up strongman vig.

If you call what you're doing "looking at possibilities", then how come you haven't looked at the one where you're a ****ing moron and there is a 3-man mafia team with Kary on it left? Or perhaps the one where JTB's results can't be trusted because he's getting them in private and he could be scum? And I KNOW you haven't considered the one where maybe I'm town? Or where Swords got an actual result and he's town too? Heaven forbid we might both be town....

I'm pretty sure Swords is town but I'm not trusting anyone in a recruiting game.

Swords knew I was a vig before I claimed, or at least that I knew one existed. Strongman isn't a killing ability, it's a modifier.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

OS, why are you assuming that there are four scum? JTB only said 3-4, as in, either 3 or 4.

Doesn't matter for toDay, all that matters for toDay is that Kantrip claimed a mafia result on Kary when it can't possibly exist. Kary is obviously independent and I don't know how you cannot fathom that. Your result was given to you specifically by Kantrip and Kantrip's play didn't fit at all.

What makes it so obvious that Kary is indy? I'm sorry, but I just don't follow. Why are you so strongly discounting the possibility that Kary is lying? Wait, unless it has to do with Kantrip. Do you genuinely believe that Kantrip tailored a result to me? Is that why you actually think Kary is indy?

 

[Kantrip]

Who protected OS N1?

 

[BarDulL]

Could have been Raz, but we're apparently pretty sure it wasn't RR since his role seems to have been useless from the start.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Either Raz or Chuckie. We don't know for sure, but it was probably Raz since Chuckie came into Day 2 voting OS.

 

[Kantrip]

Do they protect from poison or from regular kills?

 

[BarDulL]

Well, considering that Sword was able to visit OS when OS was jailed, we can only assume that OS can be visited successfully by roles that do not kill.