Twin Christmas Parties 3+4 Mafia {The Matryoshka Scandal.} ~ Over! Who had the merriest Christmas? Who got lumps of coal?

[BarDulL]

Ok.

BTW, wtf@getting "male" WRT BRB's role.

Circus to make me feel better about you, can you outline why you investigated the players you investigated?

 

[Kantrip]

Bardull, talk to me about Circus before this claim.

I get the impression you didn't (or still don't?) like him. Tell me about that.

 

[BarDulL]

I still have qualms with him because he was pushing RR on the premise that RR was anti-town. While he WAS being anti-town, I didn't feel that RR was scum for it per se on the grounds that scumRR's modus operandi wasn't clear and distinct; him claiming the way he did didn't serve any real purpose other than to put himself in the spotlight and have all sorts of trouble to deal with as a result. Like, he definitely wasn't going for endgame with his claim because there were 11 people left alive, and it just felt like an RR thing to do, IDK how better to describe it. I felt like Circus was taking advantage of this and pushing RR on bad grounds when there was a legitimate case for RR just being anti-town and not scum.

 

[Circus]

Tomorrow. I am going to sleep but I am more than annoyed at the current time. Will be all cleared up though.

I look forward to doing battle with you again. Especially since I know I'm right this time.

J will be the lynch toDay. I'm not moving on this.

Ok.

BTW, wtf@getting "male" WRT BRB's role.

Circus to make me feel better about you, can you outline why you investigated the players you investigated?

I investigated your slot on N1 because I felt Jdietz was a good null target that Day. Not the most likely to be killed nor tampered with or investigated by other roles. I actually wanted to investigate Labatt, but I figured he was going to get swarmed by other roles as it was.

On N2, I investigated BRB because of his early Day hammer the Day before. He was a slot that I was planning on looking into hard the next Day, so I figured I'd get what little info on his role I could.

On N3, it was actually a toss up between J and Ran. They had both peaked my interest on the first two Days of the game, though I would honestly have to go back and read to remember exactly why. Although I'm always a little wary of J in every game, which is why I ultimately went with him.

Last Night, I picked JTB because he was still one of the biggest unknowns in the game. It was between him and Kary. Kary ultimately seemed just a little more forthcoming with reads than JTB.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Ok, I gotta ask ya, whenever someone calls you scum, you say they're being reachy, but that is literally like the only time you'll ever speak. What's the deal? Why aren't you more actively scum hunting?

As an aside, out of curiosity, and this doesn't clear you, but do you know what color your role is written in in your PM?

..... I really don't think I should dignify this with a response, but I checked and it says SeaGreen. I typed Lime, because I honestly didn't think I was gonna get calked out on something as absurd as "omfg that's the wrong color! scumslip!".

and when people stop reaching against me, I'll stop saying that people are reaching.

Swords is the only who has tried to make an actual case on me, and the whole thing is centered around him not liking my conservative choice of wording. While I'm thinking about that
@swords. I wasn't calling you out for being scum, I was calling you out for being useless. You're everyone's strongest townread, yet all you have to push with is "I don't like his choice of wording". I'm not even being non commital, I have stances. My suspicion of J has not come out of nowhere, go reread. I started getting suspicious of J almost immediately after I gave him that townread, when he started calling me scum for knowing what a strongman was. I simply changed my mind, without putting it in a neat little list.

 

[BarDulL]

IDK what to think right now, I'll look everything over tomorrow. G'night.

 

[Circus]

I still have qualms with him because he was pushing RR on the premise that RR was anti-town. While he WAS being anti-town, I didn't feel that RR was scum for it per se on the grounds that scumRR's modus operandi wasn't clear and distinct; him claiming the way he did didn't serve any real purpose other than to put himself in the spotlight and have all sorts of trouble to deal with as a result. Like, he definitely wasn't going for endgame with his claim because there were 11 people left alive, and it just felt like an RR thing to do, IDK how better to describe it. I felt like Circus was taking advantage of this and pushing RR on bad grounds when there was a legitimate case for RR just being anti-town and not scum.

I seriously can't even engage on this topic anymore. But I want you to understand how aggressively I'm rolling my eyes right now.

 

[BarDulL]

Man, if you can't see why I would think you're scum for doing it, then you need to bash your head as hard as you can against a brick wall. >:[

 

[Circus]

Man, if you can't see why I would think you're scum for doing it, then you need to bash your head as hard as you can against a brick wall. >:[

Doing "it" means something different to you. You keep characterizing it as something that it never was.

I'm done. Sleep sounds great right now. I'll probably be able to get back on late night tomorrow unless I can squeeze in time before work.

 

[BarDulL]

Still <3 you though Circus. We will make love outside of this game when all is said and done with, unless you really are scum, in which case you're going to be bottoming for months.

o.O

NIGHT.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh no I have no one to talk to. Everyone's storming out and slamming doors.

How many times did Bardull say he disliked the Red Ryu lynch in proportion to how many times he tried to do something about it?

Do we have any more indication hinting at poison kills than the presence of protectives alluding to poison? Have we figured out which kills came from which sources based on anything?

Someone tell me what's clearing OS through mechanics please.

We're going off the presumption of a 4-man scum team with Inquisitor + Inquisitor's Aspect to account for the 6 scum presents, right?

 

[Kantrip]

Strongman, Potential, Persistence.

These are the three characteristics that Overswarm was found to have by Ran.

Potential is the modifier given to slots that can have their roles changed if a certain condition is met, is it not?

Do we know what Persistence does?

 

[Kantrip]

For the record, I still think OS is scum.

Potential explains why no kill occurred Night 4. His role changed sometime between when he was investigated and Night 4. Maybe he turned into poisoner, or he just lost his Strongman modifier? I don't ****ing care. What matters is that NA results heavily incriminate him, his play is gross, and people are CLEARING him because he posted some walls "explaining" why he's clear.

People saying "he was targeted by a kill from the inquisitor and a protect N1 so he should have been converted", my answer to that is can Persistence not be an immunity to changing alignments?

His play is gross, the mislynches he has led are gross, and his interactions with J heavily favour both of them in a scumteam together. Both OS and J have Night Actions incriminating them at this point, too.

inb4 OS is the mason partner. He is, isn't he J? That would line up my N1 result like you can't even believe

 

[Kantrip]

What about it? Make up your mind. You posted an order and I wasn't on top.



Personally I feel the same way about you, by the way. Town by night action processes. I think your play has been pretty grimy up until now because you just hid in the shadows as people died. You have been on a grand total of zero lynches and weren't exactly chomping at the bit to prevent them. Your claim has worked out to be true so far; the only thing I don't understand is the night kill on me you claim. It is incredibly grimy to wait until you have a 4/10 chance of guessing someone is scum to start playing.

There were THREE day 1 night kills. Mafia poisons. Kantrip was shot, La B was shot, and... I was shot? There's a third killing ability that apparently hasn't reared its head, not counting my backup to Soup. That doesn't add up to me. For all your analysis this hasn't seemed to come up from what I've skimmed.

So OS is discrediting Swords AND Swords' result on him after calling him clear. Rather than call Swords scum he attacks him full-on but says "you're still town because of Night Actions".

In his analysis he goes on about 4 kills (poison, kill that was apparently on him, me dying, Le B dying).

Soup shot Le B.
Inquisitor shot Overswarm.
Overswarm shot me.
Poisoner isn't a thing yet.

This is what I believe actually happened. The suggestion that there is 3 anti-town kills and a pro-town kill (with recruitment possibilities mixed in) is absurd. But OS committed so hard to a Swords townread (and Swords is town).

But everything else you've said lines up and the last people I saw lynched because of oddities flipped town, so I'm taking a backseat because its entirely possible there's another kill out there and even if you are scum, we can figure that out later with more information.

But currently, it makes no sense to me. I received no notification from Nabe whatsoever and throughout the entire game we've only seen three killing roles.

1) Soup
2) Ryker
3) Poisoner

Where's the evidence that there has been a poisoner in the game since the beginning?

Where did the THIRD night kill attempt come from? Did mafia or the Inquisitor get a double shot N1? Is there a Jack-of-all-trades that attempted to kill me N1, and if so why?

Occam's razor says "Swords is lying", plain and simple.

Then again, when Rajam's guesses didn't line up it said the same thing.
When Chuckie was so closely linked with La B, it said the same thing.
When Red Ryu's claim made no freaking sense whatsoever and he claimed to have shot in lylo, it said the same thing.

I've proven myself town not by what actions have happened TO me, but by my LACK of actions. If I had shot, as any alignment, and been wrong, game would have been over. 100% guaranteed victory for mafia and it didn't occur.

Don't take my inactivity for a lack of interest in the game; my inactivity is legitimate, and my games this time of year EVERY year are proof. I work in a University; if you think you're busy having final exams you have no idea how busy the people on the other side of the coin are.

A bunch of garbage stuff to load his wall with, as per the Overswarm way.

I'm too tired to be doing this, but I want people to see that Overswarm is scum.
I like Kary and a large part of it is just because he wants Overswarm dead so badly.
Swords is town.
One of J and Circus is scum and I lean heavily towards J.
Bardull and PBJ are scum leans to me, but JTB is null and Ran is just a town [/i]lean[/i] so they aren't as solid as J/OS.

 

[Overswarm]

July pre-emptively claiming while I had a scum read on her slot was off to me. I mean, how are you just going to outright claim a role like that when not currently in a position to have to claim? She WAS trying to avoid problems and I began questioning her for it. However, it is imperative to note that I did not push her to be lynched after her claim on the grounds that I did not think she had any good scum motivation for claiming to have redirected Sword.

On another note, I had some reason to believe that Teddie was a safe claim of Le Bateuler's because Teddie is the Magician Arcana in the Persona 4 game. Le Bateuler seemed to be adopting the Teddie persona for reasons I believe were intentional crumbing, but I guess it was just my imagination because Teddie was actually in the game.

Are you seriously trying to meta the mod -_-;;


rule for all of my games: don't rely on flavor, it'll get you burned

yet in every game there's one of you

Terra wouldn't be a mafia doublevoter, that's silly. I personally throw in roles that don't fit with the flavor so people that follow it religiously will lynch town and put themselves in a downward spiral.

Think of it this way.

Do scum have safe claims?

They always do, it's normal.

So two scenarios here:

1) Nabe made all the town roles line up with their flavor in a way that Bardull accepts, but got lazy on town safe claims

or

2) PJB is telling the truth and Nabe didn't make all the roles match flavor or you're being nitpicky


You could be totally right, it could be a sloppy mistake that Nabe has made but I doubt this heavily. If you want to add this stuff as a cherry on top go ahead, that's fine, but make a case first. Don't get flavor that doesn't sit well with you and then say "got 'em" and look for evidence for a case afterwards.

 

[Overswarm]

Circus, I see no reason why you can't claim your role before J claims, and you're not in a position to be asking for it. Please claim now, I really don't feel like having to force you to do it.

And what position are you in, exactly? I don't see you being anything but a fervent supporter of yourself toDay.

 

[Overswarm]

So OS is discrediting Swords AND Swords' result on him after calling him clear. Rather than call Swords scum he attacks him full-on but says "you're still town because of Night Actions".

In his analysis he goes on about 4 kills (poison, kill that was apparently on him, me dying, Le B dying).

Soup shot Le B.
Inquisitor shot Overswarm.
Overswarm shot me.
Poisoner isn't a thing yet.

This is what I believe actually happened. The suggestion that there is 3 anti-town kills and a pro-town kill (with recruitment possibilities mixed in) is absurd. But OS committed so hard to a Swords townread (and Swords is town).

What are you talking about? I explained very clearly that Swords just isn't a play toDay because of the Night Actions that have occurred.

I also didn't have a shot until Soup died.

Where's the evidence that there has been a poisoner in the game since the beginning?

The fact that all evidence has pointed to a mafia poisoner including night results and Chuckie's flip and the presence of ascetic roles.

The only thing that doesn't line up with poisoner since the beginning is Sword's claim I was hit by a night kill which is exactly why my eyebrow is stuck in ^ that position.

A bunch of garbage stuff to load his wall with, as per the Overswarm way.

Reading's hard, but you can do it.

I can shoot. I didn't shoot. If I was mafia, I'd have shot. Scum would have won immediately. If I was mafia, I would have shot multiple times. Scum would have won earlier and toDay never would have happened.

You're acting like I was the only one on anyone's lynch. I'm not a kingmaker, I made cases and they worked out and people flipped town. No one even spoke up against them. You want to sit and not vote on D1, then be absent for the rest of the game and come back and criticize other people and attempt to change how the game is designed to unclear someone you don't like, go for it, but it won't do you any good. There's more to a lynch than whether someone flipped town or scum and for some reason everyone has something to say AFTER the flip but won't speak up while the lynch is occurring. Hindsight is 20/20, K.

I'm too tired to be doing this, but I want people to see that Overswarm is scum.
I like Kary and a large part of it is just because he wants Overswarm dead so badly.

Because why? You like Kary simply because of posts Kary made on D1? What was Kary's reasoning for these posts, and does that reasoning still hold up?

Swords is town.
One of J and Circus is scum and I lean heavily towards J.
Bardull and PBJ are scum leans to me, but JTB is null and Ran is just a town [/i]lean[/i] so they aren't as solid as J/OS.

Wait you trust Sworddancer's NA but not Ran's?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Want to get to campus to study ASAP, so no time to reply to anything. Real quick though.

@Everyone: Can you all request a deadline extension due to finals? Especially people like you J, who are actually going to be bogged down by them.

 

[Overswarm]

wait did I read correctly that Circus basically has a guilty on J?

If the flavor really doesn't match up that'll explain things from Bardull's perspective one way or the other.

 

[#HBC | J]

Request deadline extension due to finals.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm just going to drop the flavor speculation at this point because we have two cases where both roles don't really match their flavor claims...unless PJB is scum with Circus or something, at which point then it makes sense.

W/E.

Anyway, I still think Circus is the boogieman, but I can't be bothered to make a case right now when I'm supposed to be working on my speech assignment.

And yes OS, Circus just claimed a guilty on Jbear.

 

[BarDulL]

Request Deadline Extension

 

[BarDulL]

Has OS full claimed yet btw? Don't remember seeing his full claim post.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@swords; I don't really want to lynch PJB today, i'd rather lynch say Circus, i'm not really feeling the case against him right now.

I was townreading him from his early game play, and thought that his response to RR's claimed shot was definitely in line with how town PJB would play. With that said, there are a couple things from your argument that stick out to me as fishy. In my opinion, PJB is generally over-defensive and more or less useless (stating the obvious, etc.), so it's the things he does aside from that which catch my eye. For instance, the amount of detail he goes into when making his reads seems kinda forced. looks like he's trying too hard to justify his reads.

Right now i'm giving him a provisional town-read, as he's one of a few slots that has to have scum in it somewhere, i'm just not entirely sure where yet. On that subject can you tell me what your current read on Ranmaru is (or direct me towards it if it hasn't changed recently)

not really feeling this today so that's all for now

 

[ranmaru]

I am J's Mason. I realized who I really am last night. I am Rise Kujikawa, Town Certain Mason-Scanner-Cop. Realizing my true self was the purpose of my thinking each night. I still can cop characteristics during the day, but was able to use a night action to target someone and possibly become a mason. If they were not town, I would then die. I chose J because he was my town read.

Here are the directions I'd like to go with today: Circus, PBJ, and OS.

Wrt, notice how he pushes Bardull AND J to claim before him. Then, he states that he has a result on only one of them, and was roleblocked on the other. This, is bull****. This seems like he was trying to push a lynch on whoever he could, and just say he was roleblocked with the other. He really didn't have a reason to be pushing Bardull. He says he wanted to see if we were dealing with a roleblocker, but I don't see how that would actually determine if there was or not.

PBJ, I realize Swords has now picked up some things I got from him. (Post #1014) For example, his scumreads. PBJ just reads fake trying to appease the masses. His trying to discredit J by him possibly not being a reviver, seems like he is trying to find any way he can to call J scum. His statement of 'looking at J's interaction with Kantrip" is disgusting. He isn't really looking at things with a townie mindset, he's just going with public opinion. Here is him re-evaluating me Post #1144, here he's fine with leaving me as town since my role can 'clear' him.

And OS. We don't see any other killing roles claiming, so this in itself is concerning. It's possible he may be X-shot and is saving a shot for endgame, so I do think he has to be dealt with sooner than later.

 

[Overswarm]

And OS. We don't see any other killing roles claiming, so this in itself is concerning. It's possible he may be X-shot and is saving a shot for endgame, so I do think he has to be dealt with sooner than later.

graaaaah

People need to learn to do math. It's seriously not that complicated.

If I was scum the game would be over.

 

[BarDulL]

Ran, is J confirmed Town to you?

 

[BarDulL]

Oh, I read it too quickly.

OMG.

I am so sure Circus is scum, ashdajhdaksjdkasjdlkajshlakjshaj but if J/Ran are playing me I'll be so sad .

 

[BarDulL]

Vote: Circus

Eff this, leggo. Ever since that RR lynch I've literally had no qualms with this.

 

[Kantrip]

OS full claims before I do.

Which happens before any lynch.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm annoyed that he hasn't claimed yet after being asked multiple times. >:[

 

[Overswarm]

Oh right, that.

..before you do? You are Naoto Shirogane, Town Consulting Detective. You already flipped. Did you CHANGE? o_O

I'm Akihiko Sanada, by the way.

 

[Kantrip]

No my role is the exact same. But you have no idea what it does, do you?

-raises eyebrow-

 

[BarDulL]

Oh right, that.

..before you do? You are Naoto Shirogane, Town Consulting Detective. You already flipped. Did you CHANGE? o_O

I'm Akihiko Sanada, by the way.

can you explain your other modifiers plz.

 

[Kantrip]

character name, role name, night action usage, any role modifiers and what they do, everything.

Did you know you were back-up vig before soup died?

 

[Overswarm]

can you explain your other modifiers plz.

Could, but won't. You guys know the important stuff, the rest you'll find out later when the time is right. There is literally no reason for me to explain any nuances to my role, should they exist, to you. I haven't used my role yet and won't do so unless town decides we have to roll the dice. Strongman is the only important part and I wouldn't have even claimed that if Ranmaru hadn't said anything, I just would have said "backup vig".

@k I knew I was backup vig once I knew my role. I've already claimed earlier, the only thing missing was my character name.

No my role is the exact same. But you have no idea what it does, do you?

-raises eyebrow-

If it's a detective role I have a pretty good idea?

 

[Kantrip]

Is there a standard detective role?

If so, this isn't it. But you have to elaborate on your role modifiers first. And is your role just called "Back-up Vigilante"?

 

[Overswarm]

Is there a standard detective role?

If so, this isn't it. But you have to elaborate on your role modifiers first. And is your role just called "Back-up Vigilante"?

There is a standard detective role, and you already have enough information to use yours on me if that's what you're going for =P

I'm a (hidden word) Vigilante Backup. The hidden word is one that I can't use without giving scum an edge on my role but the moment I use my role I'll be able to prove what that word is.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm all in favor of you shooting JTB tonight TBQH.

 

[Overswarm]

So you're willing to risk the game on that? You think JTB is scum and are that confident?