Holy crap soup,
put it in one post. Way easier to read that way and doesn't spam the game with more pages.
I'm not waiting for approval. I'm doing things on my own and letting people know where my head is at. I've already stated that beyond that, it's not solid enough. I don't feel you're someone who is inept on things like this but scum don't lynch themselves, and they certainly don't have a reason to get lynched if there isn't one that is ever put out there. What I'm trying to say really, is deal with it.
"Letting people know where your head is at" doesn't mean saying "I think Kantrip is scummy, and I'm unsure about Raziek!" and then not substantiating it in any way, shape, or form other than "I dunno man just a gut read lol".
What you're doing is
projecting. You're taking a slot, Kantrip, and putting a spotlight on it, and then saying "Oh but don't lynch 'em, it's just a gut read". Making everyone look at Kantrip and you not having reasoning behind it is
scummy. That is literally the most basic form of misdirection.
You want to "show us where your head is at", then screw your head on straight and get actual reads and reasoning before pointing someone out and hoping that we pick up on it.
This game is much different than HPotter mafia. The present system is nothing like the system used in HPotter. We got our Role PMs and our alignment together, there wasn't a need to guess. I'm getting kicked out of this place so I'm continuing this immediately once I find an applicable spot to steal some WiFi.
Wait, how do you know that mafia didn't have that this game?
Continuing where I left off before I was rudely interrupted. I was mafia in HPotter. We were given indentities in our Role PMs but we were without our abilities. All we knew is our fake role and our alignment.
[collapse="My fake role from Halloween Party"][/collapse]
That being said, I was wrong on the mafia not having a kill, and there was indeed a player in our faction that controlled the kill for us. I'm assuming he also knew us, but we didn't know him. I think Nabe changed some things this time however, because he knew that his game was a bit unbalanced. He changed the idea behind it and added in the present system. I'm not sure of everything on it but there seems be a different in present opening strategies of the alike, possibly being some players having an advantage over another. The pyro and gambler one come to mind. It's against the point but I believe I've made myself clear and we've resolved this issue.
However....
Yeah, I know you were wrong. It was already stated in the thread by Ryker and he linked us to our roles. I'm at least vaguely familiar with the things I'm talking about. Funny, that.
So basically you're saying that mafia has it different now because... why? Because you think the present system changes things? Because you think Nabe learned a lesson?
Are you really coming from a standpoint of mod meta in this game?
I really want to know why you are so confident mafia is setup in a certain way this time and why HPotter mafia is so different.
Even if all of that has come to conclusions, we are still left out with the greatest issue of all. The players who aren't confirmed of alignment. You got to this a bit in your response to me so allow me to respond accordingly, but I have a couple of things to say. It's very true that they could be lying about it. It's very true that doesn't make a damn near of a difference. But the fact remains above all that it's a slot that will not be willing to do anything regardless if they are lying or not. Have you seen Sword post recently? No? I didn't think so either. He has no reason to and unless you want to advocate to lynch all players that fall under this category, then nothing will be done about him in this phase.
What? If Sword doesn't feel the need to post
then we can lynch him. There is no reason to keep someone around because they
might be useful later. If someone is scummy, lynch them. If someone is anti-town, lynch them. That's town's one tool. You
use it. Is this your first day playing mafia or something? No one talks like this, not even first-timers.
This is what I meant about playing like a traitor. For the scum that do have their alignment, they have no loyalty to any other player. I did not play for my teammates on my D1 in HPotter Mafia. I played for myself and I kept a thumb on people I suspected to be my partner. We get nothing as in terms of progression this day, even if we hit scum.
...What.
Okay.
#1. What you did as scum in HPotter mafia is irrelevant. You have no idea how mafia are set up this time (or do you?)
#2. Loyalty to other players is irrelevant. Scum don't have to be loyal to their partners or even connected. It's called distancing, it's very common. In fact it is just as common as buddying! Part of the game is figuring out what scum is more likely to do.
#3. If we hit scum, OUR PROGRESSION THIS DAY IS THAT WE HIT SCUM AND THERE IS ONE LESS OF THEM.
That is the very definition of progress for town! That's what we want!
There are too many uncommitted players for one and two it will be a goose hunt. This is why I asked you about you being okay with lynching a plausible town today. What do you get out of this lynch, if he flips town? Tell me. Give me a solid answer. Wash aside the scum feeling and tell me the incentive to lose a town member on this day off nothing. Scum in itself might be telling in some instances, but then it's playing a guessing game. I'm not out to play guessing games anymore.
What do we get if he flips town?
One less player we won't have to lynch later. We narrow down the choices.
We don't GET another chance. You're coming from the assumption that Rajam is guaranteed town and defending him with all your might, yet you have no reason to assume he is town. Not only that he's got his alignment and a discrepancy in that story.
You don't know that Rajam is town. If he DOES flip town, oh well we've lost a townie. That sucks and is best to be avoided if we know someone will flip town. But riddle me this:
What good does it do for town to be ready to lynch a player only to see them survive to the next day?
They're just on the chopping block then. What do we do? Hope a cop clears them? Hope they "step their game up"? How many free passes are we going to give out if we "aren't sure"?
EVERY DAY PHASE for this game the person we are lynching will more than likely be town because
there are more town than scum. Our goal is to lessen those odds by using reasoning, cases, and our night abilities like investigative roles.
Even if we have very weak information, it is STILL always best to lynch. A day one No Lynch is town's
worst possible move because then Day 2 will be the exact same as Day 1 except mafia get to choose who to kill.
If we don't lynch we have a 0% chance of catching mafia.
If we lynch, we have a ?% chance of catching mafia, where ? is > 0.
If you want to make a case of "we don't lose a lynch", go for it... but since we don't know the abilities in this game and have no idea how many people are going to die, that case is impossible.
Now I'd be down for a No Lynch if you could show me that X amount of people will die and if we No Lynch we'll get one extra Day phase. Then we'd have the same amount of chances to hit scum and more info. But we have no reason to believe that, and it is rarely the case.
Even if we did, we could always No Lynch on another phase, such as lylo as is most common.
This is not about mathematics. This is about lynching for the benefit of town. Getting scum is something all town should want to do, and I'm all for lynching scum, but there's too many holes in this day to get enough out of it on a lynch. Go through this day, and tell me who you would lynch. Now back that reasoning and tell me what you would do on their flip, regardless of alignment. That's a serious claim.
You are so freaking scummy.
"Oh, I don't want to try to lynch somebody because I won't know what to do if they don't flip scum"
Well be a detective and figure it out, will ya? That's the ****ing game. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean we can't.
What's with the unprovoked claim on Rajam towards me? Did you see me highlight him in green before? I have a town-read on the slot and this wagon is worthless as far as I'm concerned. If you're going to make subtle hints to things like this, back it up instead of choking on it.
Subtle hints? I'm being pretty open and direct. There is one, count 'em,
one slot open for a lynch at this moment. The closest push on another player this Day is Kantrip from you and we all know how much effort you put into that.
Basic logic.
Town pushes for a Rajam lynch
Soup says "lynching is dumb, let's no lynch"
Soup is protecting Rajam
You think that he's town, you need to find a better candidate and need to actually defend Rajam a bit better than "No Lynch because.... uh, we might accidentally lynch a townie."
Multi-posting is so mcuh cleaner.
No. It's not about magically catching mafia during the day, it's looking at this day, and moving it into the next one when nobody has an excuse anymore. This is when we get to the grind of things, this is when we can push things. The content produced from this day does not go away, much like Rajam. And even then, we can imply he dies. What's your next move?
No one has an excuse NOW, soup. "Oh, I don't know if I'm town" is
not an excuse not to work for town. Someone says they don't know their alignment? Well as far as I'm concerned they're either playing for town or playing anti-town and I am totally down with lynching anyone who wants to play anti-town.
Our next move the following day IS TO FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO LYNCH. Question people, push people. Make an effort. The
exact same thing we'd be doing tomorrow if we No Lynched today, except this time the numbers are a bit more manageable and we have something more to work with.
If you think that on D1 in
any game town can lynch someone, have them flip town, and then have a PoE gameplan to catch all the scum you're off your rocker.
I don't think he should get lynched, today. Reasoning already recited multiple times. I'm not repeating myself.
You best find new reasoning because I haven't heard anything reasonable out of your mouth this Day phase.
Let's imply he flips scum. What are you gonna do? Town? What's your motive behind the lynch besides a gut read on him? You're playing at the same level at me only that you're trying to push this lynch and get away with it. You have all the answers, I have all the time.
Gut read? WHAT gut read?
Tako suggested we Lynch All Liars.
Tako lied about knowing the theme
Tako then tried to get people to believe he knew the theme and wouldn't tell us what the theme was, despite it being a pro-town move agreed upon openly
Tako, then backed into a corner, says "I planned this the whole day, the people who wanted to know the theme are going to be more scummy".
Take then disappears and posts absolutely nothing, replaces out, and Rajam comes in
Rajam's first post is something about La B, which we have only heard from Chuckie. Rajam
has not read yet, so this screams hidden information to me. We have it mod confirmed that indies and mafia have information town doesn't. Rajam just coming in and casually mentioning it as his own idea raised a million red flags.
Rajam then has a guess discrepancy, as when he explained his guesses there was a missing guess given that his guess for toDay was gone and he found his alignment yesterday (true) and guessed jump ultimate (false) meaning there was a missing guess which he just happened to forget to tell us.
Actually, we have something to go off and discern why that player was shot. We get information out of a night phase as much as we do a day phase. I've said my peace with you and your argument hasn't really made me change my mind. I've gave you a couple of things to refute so I await your responses.
Until then.
aegjakerlgjaerg
your brain doesn't work
Seriously
D1 no lynch
N1 Sworddancer gets shot
D2
WHAT NOW.
Because you don't know **** about that slot and it gives you exactly 0 information.
You are right that Night can give us information, but it doesn't necessarily have to be illuminating. More importantly,
we get that information whether we lynch today or not. The logical thing to do is to LYNCH someone and then get that information AND the Night information.
