Transmissions to Hocotate - Olimar Video Archive and Critique Thread

[Denti]

lemme just stroke my ego


IDK how you two made it to WFs



listen or keep losing

Just wow..








Holy nightmare was clutching onto tornado hard.. Against an MK like that you should ban rc because they don't know what to do against you on a stage that's not rc

 

[Tin Man]

Thanks dabuz. I'll do My best to apply this.

Thanks a lot Jiom as well.

 

[Denti]

I need help with how to fight Marths, I just have this gut feeling i'm doing it all wrong. Here are my videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpPcKp_fqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMnEZwZlnwc

I know I won the set, but that's not good enough tbh. Help me understand how to deal with marf

 

[Dnyce]

I need help with how to fight Marths, I just have this gut feeling i'm doing it all wrong. Here are my videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpPcKp_fqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMnEZwZlnwc

I know I won the set, but that's not good enough tbh. Help me understand how to deal with marf

Biggest thing, imo, is you should stop playing wifi-oli IRL. If I catch you on aim or something, I'll go through the match with you.... but I'm tired as **** right nao... -_-''

 

[Dabuz]

ill try to watch later, although im not sure if i will be able to help because i don't have much marth experience


edit: RB, help him, i see you lurking

 

[Turazrok]

You roll way too much.
You also didn't charge smashes at all. I like to charge smashes if I feel confident in reading the players habits.
Also don't do those ledge games, asking for trouble.
Jumping isn't that good either.
Stay off platforms and control the center stage

 

[Pyronic_Star]

vids of me from yesterday's tourny vs:
mekos (lucas) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZh9zJ7AxGY
neo (marth) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x79ktIxtjDA
seagull (wolf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvRvKDvh_6o
junebug (lucario) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZHc29i07UU
if anyone is interested


got 2nd :s got sent to losers early cause i sd'd with my mk round 2 and 3 vs seagull, went oli the entire loser's bracket beat junebug first set of grands, lost the 2nd set, my set vs him and seagull isn't uploaded yet

 

[Dnyce]

Mmm... I found them interesting... and plan on stealing some stuff, haha. Man, I gotta teach you how to camp though <.<

 

[Sky Pirate]

Watched only two matches from the Junebug set because it's so long, but you kept Usmashing and trying to run past him for a pivot grab. Didn't really use Fsmash a lot.
I was always under the impression that it was bad to be under Lucario.

Also, you run to the edge when you kill someone.
I would consider standing under the opponent when they're respawning and dashdancing to fake them out.
I used to do it your way, but this method is actually a bit safer.

 

[Tin Man]

I like logic's ledge tricks

 

[Pyronic_Star]

Dnyce-
i do need to learn to camp, its the worse aspect of my game despite the character i use lol

cloverfield-
against most lucario's you can stay under them and usoos any aerial they do, junebug has gotten used to it and side-b grabs me now
i haven't found f-smash to be that good against lucario since he can just atk through it, but i could be wrong

 

[Dnyce]

I was always under the impression that it was bad to be under Lucario.

I like Lucario to be on top. He can't do very much w/o getting punished

Dnyce-
i do need to learn to camp, its the worse aspect of my game despite the character i use lol

cloverfield-
against most lucario's you can stay under them and usoos any aerial they do, junebug has gotten used to it and side-b grabs me now
i haven't found f-smash to be that good against lucario since he can just atk through it, but i could be wrong

I think you camping would be really advantageous to your playstyle as it is. Like, you get away with a lot of aggressive maneuvers and it seems to be something you do... the way you move, the way you space it, idk... but it's like you're constantly baiting them into getting away with an aggressive option. All camping does is force your opponent to approach in a way you want them to and punish accordingly (with projectiles or spacing moves not meant to hit), so I feel it would be an extension of an aspect to the game you're already skilled in.

One of my favorite camp tactics (against a char like marth or mk) is standing under a platform and just walking around under the platform throwing out lots of standing grabs. Standing grab has very quick and deceptive cool-down (compared to pivot or dash grab). The thing is, you're never going to try and land the standing grab on them, you're just waiting for them to react to the grab. It's so simple, but brilliant... it works against a lot of people for some reason too. The platform hinders aerial approaches, while the quick continuous use of standing grab inhibits their ground approaches. Almost every time, people will opt to punish by jumping at you around the middle of the grab animation. So what you've done now is create a situation where you know when the opponent is going to attempt to punish (and you're just waiting for them to make a move) and you know where they're going to be when they try to punish you. Sun Tzu would argue that at this point you've already won the war before it began.
There are nuances to it too; standing directly in the middle of the platform when they approach will generally favor shield grabbing or upsmash oos. Standing toward the edge under the platform will generally favor retreating and doing a pivot grab, but this is just a scare tactic... the pivot grab isn't necessarily supposed to land, so have a solid follow up. In this situation a shutter-step fsmash also works well. Then there is what I like to call the fox trap spot of a platform, it's where you move back and forth between being being under the platform and just outside it which I like to mask with use of pikmin toss or uairs (use the aerial movements of these to move back and forth). The goal is to appear to be not under the platform, but as soon as the opponent approaches you're right under there and safe. I call it the fox trap because fox's (also wario, but not as bad imo) have a tendency to use dair a lot, but it can't be done effectively when under a platform... so I move just outside from being under the platform, wait for the super obvious dair, and run back under and pivot grab.

Idk why I'm typing this... it was supposed to be about camping... but I kinda went off... tl;dr you use camping to pull off these types of baits, and you're good at baiting, do it =D

///adderall

Fsmash is good for blocking aurasphere against lucario. It's also good for camping Lucario in the previously mentioned way that grabbing is good for camping marth/mk. You're not trying to hit with fsmash, you're just trying to keep them at a specific distance so that their approach attempts become more telegraphed.


Also, for a complete, unexplainable reason... dsmash is good against lucario. I remember I used to have lucario problems, and then I watched vids of hilt play, and I just randomly did some things he did that I thought were weird. One of those things was use dsmash more than I want... for some reason it works against lucario



finoneedssleepafk

 

[Denti]

So I have more videos of me I'd like critiqued. . It's me VS espy in GF.. It went to game 5, I just didn't put the video of me SDing twice and the video of me wrecking him on green greens lol.. I found those unnecessary to critique XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVn68V0M3Pc&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJEZp_wXCJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nSnKgKDK20&feature=channel_video_title

<3

btw, after reviewing these I realized I should have shielded after some down throws.

 

[Asa]

landings >_<

 

[Denti]

No joke.. He's just so fast XD


And that's what our character is bad at.. : O

 

[Asa]

but... a fully charged fsmash? lol

i think he's really getting into your head

 

[Frio]

Help me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P113zV_zG8w&feature=channel_video_title

I`m not really proud of this match. I'm having problems getting back on the ground. I was kinda nervous so I screwed up a lot of punishes too =/ The most noticeable mistakes are missing the up smash punish on tornado twice and I'm not up bing tornado when it comes at me from a distance. So advice would be nice

 

[Asa]

1:38 - tilt your shield against nado
1:53 - why bthwo instead of dthrow?
7:07 - i'm pretty sure you could've tehtered the ledge without having to jump first, wouldve been safer.
7:41 - mk won't be dying from a yellow uthrow till like 170, doing it earlier just stales your kill throw


you like to spotdodge when ppl are close to you, just fyi. don't dash grab so much, it gets punished often. get the hang of whistling nado. also when you're hit in the air your usual first reaction is to airdodge, fyi.

hope i helped ^.^


some stuff from me
Asa vs Lethal Trilogy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnDhDI24jkw - snake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt6QEYgyON4 - marth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tKKW_gi7xY - marth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoITCqNDyog - mk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLNH5akJE2U - mk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZLlnFu76g8 - mk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0isWBU1Ag_g - diddy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjmRMT4w9O0 - diddy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW4yIQybyk8 - diddy

Asa vs Kennypu(ness/diddy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgKqoZSqxlg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfZK4eCMVQ

^.^

 

[Tin Man]

some stuff from me
Asa vs Lethal Trilogy

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnDhDI24jkw - snake
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt6QEYgyON4 - marth
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tKKW_gi7xY - marth
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoITCqNDyog - mk
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLNH5akJE2U - mk
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZLlnFu76g8 - mk
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0isWBU1Ag_g - diddy
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjmRMT4w9O0 - diddy
9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW4yIQybyk8 - diddy

Asa vs Kennypu(ness/diddy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgKqoZSqxlg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfZK4eCMVQ

^.^

Video 4:

-nice catch right off the bat
-0:19, u weren't prepared for him to rush you, you were covering options that don't beat the short hop Fair approach (which jumps over ur grab and beats ur Fsmash and pikmin toss). I'd say shield the Usmash OoS.
-0:22 (not sure why u usmashed when u where OoMK'sCombo
-Careful when u Nair into MK, its not safe, he can shield grab or Nair OoS or upB you OoS> you need to space an attack or land safely away then Usmash/Fsmash when on the ground to prevent followups from him.
-I feel as if you should attempt a follow up after you're down throw's/Usmashes (at low percents) If u Short hop Uair, it won't hurt you too much. Pikmon tossing is decent but it can just kill the pikmin.
-Be more careful with you're approaches and when ur defending cause he dash attacked u on ur 1st stock, and then u tried to approach and got Fsmahed and died =/
- Sometimes when your recovering, instead of going into the opponent and attempting to nair, try going for the ledge. The idea is to reach some part of the stage without taking damage.
-1:36 Don't short hop pikmin toss when so close to MK, u got punished for it!
-1:57 perhaps whistle the Fsmash instead and remember u don't have a second jump lol
-2:36 Grab is guaranteed on Dsmash so grab with the white pikmin, not Fsmash lol
-3:13 Shoulda punished with a Usmash or grab since they have more opportunity for followup options rather than the Fsmash
-3:28 Air dodge into the ground? Why's that lol
-3:41 Your sexy
- You lost momentum to easily after taking the 2nd stock. Careful when they come back next time.

 

[Asa]

thanks a lot for the help tin!

yeahhhh i really get ****ed by mks that just go and dair right out of the gates >_>;;

i was doing wayyyy too many nair-usmash attempts in that set :X

 

[Cracker1204]

match 4: 0:54, you went in with a pretty greedy up smash (i know it can be tempting but still xD) if you do it still try do DI up because it got you killed

 

[Asa]

thanks for the help :D

 

[Pogoshark]

Hey I just started using Olimar yesterday, and i really like him, im gonna work on him and hopefully get better

Heres a video I recorded today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BCG7OZSuKw

 

[Tin Man]

I need some more help. Tournament 2morrow :o.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCWFm4ZMNs

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecoJNcoN4Bg

 

[Jiom]

0:05 dont approach with up smash

0:23 stop rolling

0:46 when he throws nades like that you can wait until they are going to explode then drop to pluck pikmin

1:20 when you throw him off stage like that and he comes back like that, use pivot grab dont up smash unless you know it will hit, throw him back off and force him to recover different, you can rack up a lot of damage like that or set up for a kill

2:01 sometimes its best to space a fair instead of airdodging in that situation

2:16 idk why you stopped pivot grabbing, he approached just the way you want him to, also seems to need more boost pivot grab

2:40 if snake is throwing nades like that and you are unsure of when they will explode i think you can crouch to avoid explosion

2:47 up smash approach Dx

2:51 dont approach snake with dash pivot f smash can be nice here!

3:05 another up smash approach =[ could have been pivot grab or f smash

3:11 no pummels =[ and i think up throw from blue starts to kill snake around here

3:44 dont just run up and shield vs snake

4:05 if you jump on top of that platform you wouldnt need to full/short hop side b

4:23 you had the lead.. you most definitely shouldnt have approached snake =[

ok im tired so here is a quick list: stop rolling, use A LOT more f smash, no more up smash approaches and dont approach when you dont need to, sorry if some of the things i said are wrong but im trying to help also sorry if i come off as a **** Dx

 

[wwwilliam0024]

youd probably be good as a coach... ^

 

[Asa]

0:05 dont approach with up smash

ok im tired so here is a quick list: stop rolling, use A LOT more f smash, no more up smash approaches and dont approach when you dont need to, sorry if some of the things i said are wrong but im trying to help also sorry if i come off as a **** Dx

pretty much exactly what i said don't worry lol

 

[Sky Pirate]

Completely random, but I freaking love RC.
It's so fun. :D

 

[Pogoshark]

Can someone help me put an end to an argument?

My friend is winging because he thinks i edge hogged him (he plays as lucario)


the first time he was off the stage but pretty close
so i grabbed the edge to force him to go around me
making him helpless in the air
and i killed him.

the second time he was at perfect edge hog distance so i grabbed the ledge, he used his recovery and i let him up, he jumped from the ledge and i clubbed him with a pikmin and killed him
and apparently i edge hogged him

 

[Jane]

whats wrong with edge hogging? its a completely legitimate aspect of smash strategy

 

[Asa]

yeah, it's fine to edgeguard/edgehog people

he'll learn to accept it in time

they all do.

 

[Jane]

more like WE all do

 

[Asa]

lol this is true

btw jane are you going to genesis

 

[Jane]

i'd like to. i'll have to see whats good with AZ though. i know a lot of az melee wants to go so its definitely a possibility.

 

[Asa]

silly kyle wants to go i've heard. GO! so i can see you in person

and i'll need someone to cheer me on in all my intense mms XD

 

[Jane]

i'll see what i can do. for you, asa. for you

 

[Tin Man]

Thanks for all the advice.

 

[Asa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goOV9uh6IGA asa vs Lethal Trilogy

 

[Supreme Dirt]

*edit* lol, posted in wrong thread.

 

[Tin Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goOV9uh6IGA asa vs Lethal Trilogy

0:54 - When nairing into falco at low percents, remember his fallspeed is very fast, so he can shield before you Usmash. Instead, pivot grab him, then u coulda comboed him.

1:22 - use your jab, or any move that doesn't use pikmin to remove pikmin. You took a lot of damage off it. Don't ignore them lol.

1:39 - slow reaction to the illusion

2:00 - Get ready to get underneath when halberd transitions. Its a better position for you.

2:38 - always assume the claw will hit you. You died because of the horrible position it gave you.

2:56 - your throwing pikmin when your opponent is really close to you. This is why u graped.

3:07 - I still love you

3:28 - I think you should punish things with grab more. The time u wait to use the Dsmash..., you're lucky he tripped lol.

You try to Dsmash twice and u get ***** twice

3:44 -

anyways, I have work to do, thats all for now bro.