Totally Normal Mafia [Game Over, Town and Independent Win]

[#HBC | Mac]

amnesiac cop is an amazing role.

I'm sure Mashad would have told you that you need to send in two names. Is there any more info you can give? He was just like, "You have amnesia, every night send me the name of someone to target but you will not be able to remember what you did?" Your role claims seems very odd, and I don't trust it at all, so more info would be great.

Just make sure not to modquote

 

[mentosman8]

Honestly, without knowing the effect, it IS worthless. What if it's a negative role that takes effect on random nights? What if we have a tracker and you happen to choose the death? Without knowing the effects of a role(which obviously isn't investigative) it could very easily be more of a risk to town than a help. Long story short, it doesn't seem like it has a power(seeing as nothing happened to Mac), and if it does we don't know the effect and that makes it hard to trust and hard to make any use of.

 

[Chaco]

Okay, well basically without quoting the most I can give is that:

I have amnesia.
i can perform my action on myself.
I don't have to use it every night.
I can't remember what I did.

So that kind of throws amnesiac cop looking back at it, I hadn't noticed the using it on myself. It's been awhile since I've read it. I'm back to not being sure at all what it does.

 

[Chaco]

Honestly, I think it's either a protective role, or a role that gives an ability. How else could it be used on myself? I used it on Mac N1 and it performed successfully, so it did not harm him.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I still would rather lynch yaya.

 

[Chaco]

I'm kind of getting a weird vibe from Mentos saying a town role is useless.

 

[Rockin]

I'm kind of getting a weird vibe from Mentos saying a town role is useless.

why, cause he said something that could be his opinon?

Not too sure how this role would help Town. We don't know it's effect or whatsoever. I don't even know how we can even test it.

Only way is to target someone else besides Macman and see what happens. We could try and speculate, but we don't want to give Mafia any ideas.

Unvotes

 

[mentosman8]

The problem is, the role you are describing has two factors. First of all, it is entirely unknown what it does. Any such power is as much a risk to town as a possible boost. Second of all, it doesn't sound like something necessarily town aligned, it sounds just as possible it could be an independent role. The role is as much a chance of a threat as it is a chance of a boon, and therefore is useless in the sense that it may prove harmful to use it.

 

[Chaco]

Well, yeah, I'm town aligned. As I had said, and if I'm careful who I use it on it won't boost mafia. also, I don't even have to use it. If you're looking for ways to get rid of me, look harder.

I know one way to test for voting changes. If you do go with Yaya see if Mac's counts as a double vote.

@Rockin: No town role is useless. Getting rid of any townie just hurts you. Unless of course you're mafia.

 

[Rockin]

Well, yeah, I'm town aligned. As I had said, and if I'm careful who I use it on it won't boost mafia. also, I don't even have to use it. If you're looking for ways to get rid of me, look harder.

I know one way to test for voting changes. If you do go with Yaya see if Mac's counts as a double vote.

@Rockin: No town role is useless. Getting rid of any townie just hurts you. Unless of course you're mafia.

what does this part here mean? o.o

and I never said there was never a useless town role. However, certain town roles have their level of usefulness, and we're not sure how useful it can actually be, since we don't know what it freaking does.

I may need more time to think this. >_<

 

[#HBC | Mac]

There are alot of anti-town town roles.

 

[Chaco]

So you'd be willing to give up a role because you don't know what it does? What if it's a better action? It's all just possibilities right now.

 

[KevinM]

I don't trust Chaco's claim at all.

But I'm still comfortable where my vote is anyways.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Yeah Chaco can die. So can Yaya. I'll go with whoever's closer at the deadline but I will urge you all to stop defending Yaya with the wariness towards lynching coasters/inactives nonsense. It's a really stupid mindset. If we got rid of all of them then this game would be much easier. Minimal losses.

Vote: Yaya

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Yaya, you said there is a way you can prove you're town? Please show us.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Well as long as it's not a roleclaim. Apparently we're the only ones who want to lynch him and everyone else is okay with the coasting parrotness.

@Marshy: I've somewhat disappeared over what was normal in most of the other games I've played here because a lot of the conversation in this game has been back and forths, and I've felt it worked best to watch those unfold and come up with my thoughts on what's going on by the time they break. Also, I am not that suspicious of Macman, but can you please stop saying he is cleared? Just because everyone suspected him d1 does NOT mean he is clear, and as much as I'm leaning town with him, there is no reason to write him off as potential scum.

Yes there is. The "Everyone's pushing for him so he's probably not mafia" line of thought is usually true.

Everyone, what do you think of taking a vote on people asking them to request being replaced until we get frozenflame in this game? He's a really smart player and I have more faith in him than most of you. He could be a huge help and smashman is contemplating asking for a replacement so that's a start.
test 6 lva

If we got rid of all of them then this game would be much easier.

And more fun.

 

[Florida]

I'm fine with either a Yaya lynch or a Chaco lynch. Your roleclaim seems like a bunch of junk, especially in a Mafia game titled totally normal.

 

[Chaco]

I don't trust Chaco's claim at all.

But I'm still comfortable where my vote is anyways.

I believe you all of all people would trust my claim more than anyone after what happened in Disney. If you think I would lie about my role, with like only a few days left. You're dead wrong. Even if I had chosen to use a fake role would you think that I'd use a role like amnesia? That has a night action, but I don't know what it is? No, I would've used something a lot easier to trust. But apparently no one seems to believe that. May I ask why? Or are you to blinded be the ambition to lynch toDay? Traits of which scream scum. A no lynch is better than killing a townie. Of course this will be argued to no end by Marshy. But think about it this way. 10 people are alive right now. You could easily lose a townie today, and then one tonight. Then this puts you at 8 people, and most likely 3 of which are scum. Then most likely one indy, or more. Who knows. All I'm saying is, that you mislynch the next Day, it's lylo next. And honestly, at this point, you guys have no clue who scum is. There's a slight chance Yaya would flip mafia, but that's very slight. So I mean it's definitely town's call at this time. I mean, if you still think I'm mafia at this time slap yourself and wake up. You're going on nothing but tidbits crammed together, and my claim. Which apparently no one can trust. Which Mentos gave me like two possibilities for roles which all would hinder town, both of which were not true. Then he goes to say that if I don't know my action that I'm pretty much of no use. Not very much like a townie, I'd have to say. Rockin defending him I don't think much of, but if I had to guess the scum right now it would be Rockin, Mentos, and Marshy. So that's where my main three scum vibes are coming from. Now you're wondering if I have gotten off Mac? No. I still have some suspicions of him. Not as much as I had, but I feel Mac's proven to be very smart, upon looking back. (Besides the drunken bable.)

Yeah Chaco can die. So can Yaya. I'll go with whoever's closer at the deadline but I will urge you all to stop defending Yaya with the wariness towards lynching coasters/inactives nonsense. It's a really stupid mindset. If we got rid of all of them then this game would be much easier. Minimal losses.

Vote: Yaya

I answered to a lot of this in the above but, well, here goes again. So oyu're saying we should lynch coasters without worrying about it? Okay then.

Unvote: Mac
Vote: Marshy

This is exactly what you are saying to do basically. I feel Yaya a lot more trustworthy than you, and I feel that you with a mafia role would be a major threat compared to Yaya. Get my point now? You've been coasting this whole game, so trying to lynch Yaya another coaster for the same thing. Is just **** stupid. If we're going by that logic we can just get rid of you.

Yaya, you said there is a way you can prove you're town? Please show us.

I'd like to hear from Yaya period.

Also, Florida. Don't get me wrong, but don't judge the game by it's title. You do not know what kind of roles are going to be in a game simply by the title. Thinking that is just be blinded by ignorance. I've seen you active a hellluva lot in DGames looking at this game and so on. But you only post when it feels safe for you. Care to explain why this is what? You've been little help besides jumping on me when you felt safe. In fact that's pretty much all you've done this entire game. You said you defended Mac and we all jumped off of him, but no really mac defended himself. Your pride for that is a bit much, and you need to start posting more. I see you in DGames at least 3-4 times per day. If you're that active it will not hurt for you to take a good 20 minutes to type a post up. If you're not dedicated to the game get a replacement so we can get someone who is in. And then again all you've done this ENTIRE game is agree with people. I have yet to see you form your own opinion about anyone. Everyone needs to think for themselves, Florida. Or do you have a scum partner thinking for you? What I'm getting at is, go back and read through. Form your own **** opinions, then get back to me. All this **** you're pitching is the same old song and dance. Where do your suspicions lie besides me, or the lynching an inactive? What do you think of the current situation? Just answer some things, give us a real post for once. These little one liners do us no good whatsoever, and I believe you can do a lot better than that. So prove it.

 

[Florida]

I have nothing else more to say, but I'll respond to what you've said.

I don't post only when it feels safe, but when I have something to say.
I'm dedicated enough to this game. I do not need a replacement; this entire game is inactive, not just me.

You said you defended Mac and we all jumped off of him, but no really mac defended himself. Your pride for that is a bit much, and you need to start posting more.

What are you even getting at here? Where have I expressed pride for defending Macman? I wasn't defending him as much as I was attacked you and Kevin for your votes against him, which I saw as total nonsense.

Where do your suspicions lie besides me, or the lynching an inactive?

Both already answered in my previous post. I find you most suspicious, and I'm A.O.K. with lynching Yaya for inactivity.

 

[Chaco]

So you have no other suspicions besides the ones that are currently being tossed around? No one at all?

Also, if you're not inactive post more and stop feeding the inactivity.

And then it was something along the lines of "Kevin and Chaco both backed off when I defended him". And then Mac made a remark on it, iirc.

 

[Rockin]

There is something I would like to say in terms of Chaco, but I would like to hear why he thinks I'm scum.

 

[Chaco]

I'll respond after you say what you want to first.

 

[Rockin]

Well really, let's first talk about the roleclaim. I just really can't accept it. Not because it could be real or not, but because what it can do. Like Mentos said, it could be something good or bad for Town. For all we know, it could randomly do anything. We could go several routes with what we got from today

- Lynch off Chaco and then request a replacement for both Yaya and Smashman

- Lynch off Yaya and see if we can try to get a better understanding of what Chaco's power role does

I'm probably gonna go with a safer option and go with a Chaco vote only because we don't even know if Yaya has a useful power role or not, and something like that could be given to a more active member.

Vote: Chaco

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Wondering what Kevin and Hando are thinking. I'll respond to Chaco's post later I suppose.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

smashman too.

And I agree with Chaco that Florida has been a huge parrot. He'd be a minimal loss as well, so maybe I will vote him.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

- Lynch off Chaco and then request a replacement for both Yaya and Smashman

I'm trying to tell you that we can't force yaya to get replaced if he doesn't want to and if he continues to keep up with the minimum posting requirements.

I don't think florida is nearly as bad as yaya.

 

[smashman90]

Can we please get a vote count soon?

 

[Chaco]

Well really, let's first talk about the roleclaim. I just really can't accept it. Not because it could be real or not, but because what it can do. Like Mentos said, it could be something good or bad for Town. For all we know, it could randomly do anything. We could go several routes with what we got from today

- Lynch off Chaco and then request a replacement for both Yaya and Smashman

- Lynch off Yaya and see if we can try to get a better understanding of what Chaco's power role does

I'm probably gonna go with a safer option and go with a Chaco vote only because we don't even know if Yaya has a useful power role or not, and something like that could be given to a more active member.

Vote: Chaco

Well, your options are pretty horrid, I must say. The fact that my power role is a hindrance is really a bunch of bull. What action would be able to be used on themselves if it was harmful? Answer me that. You naming those options furthered my suspicions on you, by a lot.

Unvote

 

[Rockin]

Well, your options are pretty horrid, I must say. The fact that my power role is a hindrance is really a bunch of bull. What action would be able to be used on themselves if it was harmful? Answer me that. You naming those options furthered my suspicions on you, by a lot.

Unvote

I'm not sure how this furthered your suspicions on me when I don't even know why I'm suspicious of you. All I'm doing is naming possible things we can do. If you have a better option, I wouldn't mind hearing it.Now, mind telling me why I'm so suspicious to you?

One of those options that power could do as, like you wanted to see moments ago, give people the power to double vote. Or it could protect someone with giving a option to protect yourself. Really, I dunno.

 

[Chaco]

I'm not sure how this furthered your suspicions on me when I don't even know why I'm suspicious of you. All I'm doing is naming possible things we can do. If you have a better option, I wouldn't mind hearing it.Now, mind telling me why I'm so suspicious to you?

One of those options that power could do as, like you wanted to see moments ago, give people the power to double vote. Or it could protect someone with giving a option to protect yourself. Really, I dunno.

Well, those options are just not good at all. I do have a better one, but I need to see of somethings first. And why you seem suspicious? You're playing my role out to much, like you think it's harmful and then you switch to what I say. I think you see my role as harmful to you, and the way you are acting is giving of scum vibes to me. I don't want to end this day with a no lynch, but this whole day was spent on me and literally nothing else was accomplished. So the ones who are iffy about my role; Kevin and Marshy, I see more caution from them. And it's a big thing to see caution from Marshy, from what I can tell. Mentos and You, I just don't like the way you took my role. Mentos's argument of it being harmful, the first time, was legit. But when you simply take his words and spit them out your mouth it just seems like you are going with him to much. You two are my main concerns now, and I now I can't get a lynch on you toDay because we don't have the time. But I will.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Everyone is 'iffy' about your role. There are very legit reasons as to why you'd make for a good lynch. You've contradicted yourself, said anti-town like things, pushed hard for my lynch with no backing at all. On top of that, your 'role' is a wildcard and may not be of help to town. You shouldn't be ridiculing people for wanting to lynch you. People get lynched for much much less.

Rockin's options are basically the two things that will possibly end up happening. I don't see at all how that makes you more suspicious of him, or how they are horrid suspicions. Also, there was a decent amount of discussion today, so it is kind of ridiculous to say that nothing has been accomplished.

You should just shush and vote yaya so we can lynch him. [or atleast force him to respond with something of actual value]

 

[mentosman8]

Well, Chaco, let's take a look at what your role is most likely not able to do.

1. Investigative role: Obviously if you don't know the results, an investigative role is NOT the case, and moreso since you can target yourself.

2. Protective role: Self targeting protective roles are very rare, and usually have downsides. Making one without telling the downsides would be a bad idea from a modding perspective.

3. Vigilante: Obviously, Mac is alive, so that can't be the case.

4. Cause voting effects: Already been a vote update in which Macman had a vote placed and it counted as 1(http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7944151&postcount=473)

5.(this is a bit more speculation than proven)Roleblocker: After you said you used your power on Mac, he didn't say anything about role-blocking flavor. It is also possible that he is a vanilla townie and didn't get anything to inform him that you roleblocked him, but generally roleblocking sends flavor to whoever it is done on. As I said, this one is heavier speculation than the others(next closest being protective role), but still seems reasonable to follow.

6. Silencing role: Generally aligned with mafia anyway, but from the fact that Mac is posting, obviously not the case.

So now, seeing that, can you give me ONE possibly useful role that you could be? Honestly it sounds like a fake-claim, because anything that I can see being reasonably associated with it is disproven by your use of it on Macman. There is also a possibility(although slim) you are a visiting jester and came up with a claim that seemed unlikely to get yourself lynched. Regardless, any possibly useful prs I could see this role you claim connecting to seem to be out of the question, so that is why I find your role useless Chaco. Feel free to respond as you will, I would like to hear what non-disproven role you think you may have.

 

[mentosman8]

Well, those options are just not good at all. I do have a better one, but I need to see of somethings first. And why you seem suspicious? You're playing my role out to much, like you think it's harmful and then you switch to what I say. I think you see my role as harmful to you, and the way you are acting is giving of scum vibes to me. I don't want to end this day with a no lynch, but this whole day was spent on me and literally nothing else was accomplished. So the ones who are iffy about my role; Kevin and Marshy, I see more caution from them. And it's a big thing to see caution from Marshy, from what I can tell. Mentos and You, I just don't like the way you took my role. Mentos's argument of it being harmful, the first time, was legit. But when you simply take his words and spit them out your mouth it just seems like you are going with him to much. You two are my main concerns now, and I now I can't get a lynch on you toDay because we don't have the time. But I will.

I'm kind of getting a weird vibe from Mentos saying a town role is useless.

Also, these two posts, more specifically the bolded part of the first and the whole second, seem to contradict eachother. So, you think my argument that it may be harmful is legit but it's strange that I consider it useless? The two go hand in hand, a potentially harmful role IS useless because using it is a risk and the best option would be to not use it. So, if you think my argument that it could be harmful is/was legit, then that would make it useless to town and you would have no reason to get weird vibes from me saying so.

 

[Chaco]

Okay first off it wouldn't show if he had doublevoting abilites. Look it up if you must it does not reveal it, just like an executioner. Doublevoting is given without the player knowing and when they vote it counts as two votes without them knowing, or they know and they PM the mod with their double votes. Such as Mac would vote me, and then he could PM TMW with his other vote or count it double on me. Get what I'm saying? Look it up, you'll find it to be true. And basically your disclaim on protective is bad, it shows no real reason other than, it's unlikely. You don't know that. It wouldn't be vigilante if I can use it on myself. And then once again, who in the hell would silence themselves?

Also, I'd like to point something out, you say in the first one I can target myself yes? Then you try to nix of others by saying things that I couldn't do to myself. It's obvious you are scum. This may seem like an OMGUS, but it's not, the way you presented that trying to get rid of me again made it obvious.

Vote: Mentos

 

[Chaco]

I said it was legit of you to think that once. When I pretty much proved you wrong, it's reasoning is gone. Those do not contradict, you are really just trying to put me away right now. And it won't work.

 

[Florida]

Can we get a votecount, please?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Chaco I do not understand where you are getting these thoughts from at all. You didn't disprove anyone or anything. Nothing that I know of has happened to me. Mentos's points were valid. You aren't able to present a possible idea as to what your role might be. Your argument against Mentos is really just... nonsensical.

 

[Florida]

It's not nonsensical, just scummy. It reeks of OMGUS. :D
I feel more comfortable with a Chaco lynch over Yaya. IDK if I already have my vote on someone, but in case I do: Unvote, Vote: Chaco

 

[mentosman8]

Okay first off it wouldn't show if he had doublevoting abilites. Look it up if you must it does not reveal it, just like an executioner. Doublevoting is given without the player knowing and when they vote it counts as two votes without them knowing, or they know and they PM the mod with their double votes. Such as Mac would vote me, and then he could PM TMW with his other vote or count it double on me. Get what I'm saying? Look it up, you'll find it to be true. And basically your disclaim on protective is bad, it shows no real reason other than, it's unlikely. You don't know that. It wouldn't be vigilante if I can use it on myself. And then once again, who in the hell would silence themselves?

Also, I'd like to point something out, you say in the first one I can target myself yes? Then you try to nix of others by saying things that I couldn't do to myself. It's obvious you are scum. This may seem like an OMGUS, but it's not, the way you presented that trying to get rid of me again made it obvious.

Vote: Mentos

I said it was legit of you to think that once. When I pretty much proved you wrong, it's reasoning is gone. Those do not contradict, you are really just trying to put me away right now. And it won't work.

In response to these two posts:

You didn't prove it wrong at all, you just said you didn't think so. And also, if Mac had gotten double voting abilities that WERE hidden(which isn't always the case), don't you think he would have, ya know, told us by now to prevent you from being lynched(as it would essentially prove your role)?

Protective role is more than just unlikely. As I said, when you have a self-protecting doctor there is pretty much always a drawback to it. Otherwise you could claim D1 and repeatedly use your power on yourself to stay a cleared townie alive through the whole game, which is wholly overpowered.

Next, I don't know why you reference vig and silencer(and yes, a self-targeting silencer IS a useful power) when you agree they can't be what you are. Just because I listed other reasons that are more valid means it's suspicious?

And, first of all, you were the one who stated you could visit yourself, AND ruled out cop due to being able to self visit, so how am I scummy for agreeing with you that some roles can be disproven by your ability to self visit, when you said the same thing yourself? You are definitely OMGUS voting, and my vote on you is definitely staying through the remainder of the day unless you actually manage to come up with something that makes me less confident in it. What I posted was a perfectly legitimate line of reasoning, so I don't see how it makes me voteworthy.

 

[Yaya]

Well, I guess it's time for me to claim.

Mac, you should be thanking me, for you wouldn't even be playing right now if it weren't for me.

You see, I am the Replace-O-Matic 3000, I have the ability to replace one played with the top person from the replacement list.

Curious to see whether or not stingers was truely a Jester or a mere burden to Town, I decided to replace him.

I even bread crumbed it, for those who doubt my claim.