Totally Normal Mafia [Game Over, Town and Independent Win]

[Florida]

Is it generally considered a bad idea to lynch someone just for inactivity? I mean, Yaya hasn't said much, and what he has said just agrees with what's been said before him. He really doesn't bring up anything new.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm down with lynching yaya

unvotee, vote: yaya

 

[Chaco]

Are we seriously gonna bandwagon that? Slow down.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Is he your scumm pardna son
;/?

 

[Chaco]

1. I'm not scum.
2. I'm just saying, bandwagoning with a week left is stupid.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

YOU ALSO Defdended yaya when he only had one vote from floo rida. That wasnt a bandwagon, so i guess you dont think hesss scum?

Don't lie to me, i canns ee through youi!

 

[Chaco]

I didn't defend him, I just said he's generally that way. The bandwagon was when you jumped on with no reasoning of your own.

Oh really? You can? What's my allignment? What's my role?

 

[Florida]

So...why are you posting like an idiot all of a sudden, Macman?

 

[Chaco]

It's because in that post he was joking.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

So...why are you posting like an idiot all of a sudden, Macman?

LOLOLs i prolly shoul stop posting for now.

But I did think it was type odd that um, chaco lightweight defended yya because of yur vote. So i voted yaya to see how chaco wud responddl and he did exactly what I thought he would. I don't really know what to male of that. unvote: vote: chaco

still think yur the most suspicios, and now it seems like there is some connecton with yu and yaya.

 

[Florida]

I don't agree with that. I mean, I defended you when Chaco and Kevin were after you. That doesn't mean that you and I are a scum pair. And, honestly Macman, I thought that your bandwagon was really iffy as well, but I figured that you were fishing for reactions.

Really, though, you drunk? xD

I'mma leave my vote on Yaya just for lurking. Obvious scumtell, and I don't have much else to work with in all of this inactivity.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

ayyyyyy

but there wasnt much of a reson to back up yaya, i mean pressuring an insctive is part of the game id otn see why chaco felt the need to defend him, and then further cast suspicion on others whoi votes him,. Iono i just caught him defending yayay and thot it was wierd. ye i was fishin for reactins

i feel like im repeating myself...

 

[Chaco]

Yeah, that's a pretty crappy vote.

So you're telling me, that by going against a bandwagon on DAY 2 I reacted exactly how you wanted me too? This is a very bad argument, and should be called upon. I know you feel safe from the lynch. But you are pressing for my lynch a bit to hard, and the second I flip town you're going to look hella stupid. I blame myself for playing very stupidly up until this point. However, I should still not be excused. So how about instead of wasting our D2 lynch we actually generate more discussion. I know I am the main lynch candidate at the moment. But like I said, I will claim if needed. I don't necessarily want to, but I will.

But on the topic of Yaya. Yes, he is always inactive. He comes in like every second or third day with a post.

 

[Chaco]

Ninja'd by Mac. Let me answer to this now. I did not defend Yaya, stating to Florida that he is normally this way is not defending him. Considering the first half of that post was saying Yaya was another who had pressed on me. I feel no need to protect him as much as stopping you from an idiotic and an irrational vote.

 

[Florida]

I wouldn't claim if I were you, Chaco. You still only have one vote on you. Wait until it's a last-defense sort of thing (L-1, L-2). And, really, this entire game is inactive lol. Everyone needs to post a lot more. We only have about a week left, and we don't want a second no-lynch to happen.

Will the scum tell us who they are? Thanks.

 

[Chaco]

I said if I'm needed to I would. And that would be at L-2, and no waiting until L-1 because mafia could hammer.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

is it relaly a bandwagon when its only 2 fvotes? I mean come on now. Idiotic an derratic? Word? cuz pressuring an inactive is def a bad idea, right?

i don;t feel safe from a luynch i just not hesistant to speka my mind when um I'm not mafia. No reason to be like mad stressed.

AyyYYY i thought yu thot i was stright, is this like a legit attack? You think im scum again?
Word attack me.

 

[Chaco]

No, I still don't think you're scum. I just don't think you give two ****s atm.

Florida pressing him was okay, you jumping on with literally nothing but "I could go for a Yaya lynch" is not.

Also, that's not the reason I said you feel safe.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I gave a reason? HWat is the reason than? let's continue thos poingtless convo, u can keep deffedning yur scum partner. =D

and marshy wtf are yu doing, dudes like just saying random **** nd voting random ppl. **** is blowing my mind..d.

 

[Chaco]

Is it really pointless? You seem eager to get off the topic now.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

sonnnn, if you think i'm scum just be out with it. Holy ****, dont beat ariund the bush. I'm not really feelin these blatant but not accusations.

 

[Chaco]

I told you, I don't think you're scum. Right now, you're just being of 0 help whatsoever. Take a break until you can type right.

 

[Rockin]

You guys really need to stop focusing on me, and worry about others as well. If you do lynch me, I'm going to show up town.

This is about all that I've been seeing from you every time someone finds you suspicious. Instead of saying such things, how about trying to PROVE that you're not worth a lynch? saying that your town is different then you being down, get me? Majority of people feel that you're either suspicious or your a good pick for a lynch. It's high time you try to defend yourself instead of stating that town is making a mistake. Tell me in your own words why we shouldn't lynch you, Chaco? You seem to think that if you're lynched, town is closer to a Game over.

Also, as far as with Chaco and 'defending' Yaya, I think he was just stating that Yaya was plain inactive, that is all. Also, I think a bandwagon would be 2+ votes at a short time (not counting the first one) IMO. Oh and Egruntz, lynching a inactive player is...meh. Sometimes they come up as town. Other times they come up as anti-town. If anything, we usually only consider lynching one as a last resort (we would try to get the person replaced so as to make it fair and keep the game moving).

Yaya. I would love to see you post a bit more =/

 

[Chaco]

When I tried to defend myself before I got told I was being to defensive. What should change that now? I do not think you're closer a game over if I'm lynched, you'll just lose another townie. Which would not be a good position, considering this whole day has been wasted on me. I'm saying stop focusing on me for a reason, you've dug about all you can dig. It was to the point that this game was inactive for almost 3 days.

Prove that I'm not worth a lynch? It's pretty darn obvious. I've made quite the amount of mistakes in this based on wording and how I present things. If I had done it in a different manner it wouldn't have been that way, correct? Really, no one is overly suspicious because they feel absolutely no pressure. They've had none put on them, and this day is almost a free pass for them. That is my worry for the town's sake. But back to me now, I'm not really sure if I should defend myself much. I got picked apart D1 for doing that. When all I was doing was answering to it. Also, to answer to Mac previously about me flipping votes. Is it possible I thought that there reasoning was good? Or I have to be scum since I think that? I stayed with a NL on D1 because I felt we shouldn't mis-lynch. I agreed with Hando on that. Now to the "OMGUS vote" on Mac. Tell me that Mac isn't suspicious. Really, I want you to tell me he wasn't. When he replaced in, it is not a clean slate for him. He is still held accountable for everything Stingers said, and how he posted. Ever since he changed in, all thoughts on him were killed. I continued to stay suspicious of him until I proved it otherwise. Or atleast I think. But, since Hando said he aired his theory and stands by it. It's about time I guess.

Lynching me is pointless~~~

This one post made me change my mind on him. To me, it just gave an idea of what his role was like. So I took my vote off of him. But I'm not to sure, it's just an idea. In his biggish post he mentioned Jungle bothering him. Well Jungle's dead now, and he was the only one who really said anything besides Marshy saying he couldn't trust him. Then there's this...

I can fend for myself if mafia wants to point fingers at me.

I think he might be our SK. Just a thoery though, up until this point I had a different one. But looking back again. Isn't it a common thing for SK's to be bulletproof? So then add it like this:

Doctor protects mafia's target.
Mafias kill fails.
Macman kills Jungle.

There's enough there for it to be a possibility. I think it high time to voice this instead of just sitting on it. It's why I've been so wishy washy over Mac. There's still not enough there for me to put my vote on him. And before you try to counter with me saying "revealing a townies role" there is also the possibility of that. Stingers posts made me think townie, and Mac's post make me think Indy.

But this isn't about Mac now.I was stating why I "OMGUS'd" him before. This is about me defending myself. So, I understand my behavior has been weird. I do not deny it one bit. Now should it be excused, however I feel that I am possibly an asset to the town. There are things I still do not understand though, and will not take questions on the matter. However, any other questions you ask me I will do my best to answer. So ask away.

 

[Florida]

I wouldn't be surprised if Macman was SK/Mafia. The way that stingers acted definitely suggested that he had an anti-town role. It just really slapped me in the face when he got replaced. I freaking hate that.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

~

Alright, now that I am in a bit better state of mind. [sorry about that]

Um on my point about chaco/yaya, I don't think I went about that the proper way. But it did jump out at me that chaco was quick to defend yaya. Simply because he was quick to defend skylerocon when they were both mafia together. I regret putting out my thoughts about that so quickly though, because now if chaco was mafia than he's definitely not going to continue to defend yaya in that way. If he did, I would have a stronger case and a stronger reason to believe that if chaco flipped maf that yaya may have also been mafia.

You made a point before about not bringing stuff in from other games. This is a kind of dumb argument. If you were mafia in that game, and you were acting similarly to how you played there, than one would believe that you were mafia again. It is definitely a possibility that you may behave the same way. It's a common occurence that people bring in stuff they know about someones playstyle or how they have played previously.

When I tried to defend myself before I got told I was being to defensive. What should change that now? I do not think you're closer a game over if I'm lynched, you'll just lose another townie. Which would not be a good position, considering this whole day has been wasted on me. I'm saying stop focusing on me for a reason, you've dug about all you can dig. It was to the point that this game was inactive for almost 3 days.

To me it's not even about how defensive you were, it was just a very similar reaction to that of NewbMaf 1. However that just may be your natural playstyle. Also, it was the fact that you felt the need to defend yourself to points I never even brought up or attacked you with. I didn't even bring any points up, I just said im getting a scummy feeling from you. It's similar to say I walk up to some random and tell him, "hey you look pretty shady." and him responding with, "Omg what noooo, I didn't rob first national bank a 2 days ago!"

Also, losing another townie would bring us closer to a game over or a loss. So I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that and I don't see why you felt like you had to say that you didn't.

Also, I feel like this has been a very constructive day. It is true that we have focused on you, but legit points and topics of conversation were brought up and discussed. I am really happy with it. I do wish that we had focused more on smashman and yaya, but we stil have time for that. Also, I feel as though Chaco has a lot more evidence towards him being mafia then people who get lynched do in general. So I am fairly happy with my vote right now.

Prove that I'm not worth a lynch? It's pretty darn obvious. I've made quite the amount of mistakes in this based on wording and how I present things. If I had done it in a different manner it wouldn't have been that way, correct? Really, no one is overly suspicious because they feel absolutely no pressure. They've had none put on them, and this day is almost a free pass for them. That is my worry for the town's sake. But back to me now, I'm not really sure if I should defend myself much. I got picked apart D1 for doing that. When all I was doing was answering to it. Also, to answer to Mac previously about me flipping votes. Is it possible I thought that there reasoning was good? Or I have to be scum since I think that? I stayed with a NL on D1 because I felt we shouldn't mis-lynch. I agreed with Hando on that. Now to the "OMGUS vote" on Mac. Tell me that Mac isn't suspicious. Really, I want you to tell me he wasn't. When he replaced in, it is not a clean slate for him. He is still held accountable for everything Stingers said, and how he posted. Ever since he changed in, all thoughts on him were killed. I continued to stay suspicious of him until I proved it otherwise. Or atleast I think. But, since Hando said he aired his theory and stands by it. It's about time I guess.

It is clearly not obvious that you are town, had that been the case, my vote wouldn't be on you.

Suspicious in what sense? All throughout today I asked both you and KevinM to tell me how I have been antitown and or scummy. And both of you have yet to do so. I hate hate hate that you and others continue to throw out, "ooo yedi has been so suspicious" like that **** was a given. You have to actually show people how I have been, noones gonna [atleast they shouldn't] take your word for it.

All thoughts on me clearly weren't killed if kevinM was lobbying for my lynch so early in the day.

This one post made me change my mind on him. To me, it just gave an idea of what his role was like. So I took my vote off of him. But I'm not to sure, it's just an idea. In his biggish post he mentioned Jungle bothering him. Well Jungle's dead now, and he was the only one who really said anything besides Marshy saying he couldn't trust him. Then there's this...

I think he might be our SK. Just a thoery though, up until this point I had a different one. But looking back again. Isn't it a common thing for SK's to be bulletproof? So then add it like this:

Doctor protects mafia's target.
Mafias kill fails.
Macman kills Jungle.

Finally! all day you have been throwing these like semi accusations at me but continued to stand by the fact that you thought I was town. It was a bit annoying and I just wanted you to come out with whatever you may have been feeling.

So I guess you don't think I am that ambiguous townie role anymore? I am an SK who says Jungle was suspicious to me, and then turns around that night and kills him? I don't really follow your logic here; from my experience, mafia or sk do not NK the person they have pointed suspicion on during the day. Unless of course they believe that person to be a power role.

To be completely honest, it just seems like you're grasping for straws here. Though that scenario [doc protecting someone who got NKed] is perfectly viable it is also not very likely. I would like to know why you think I am SK as opposed to mafia?

There's enough there for it to be a possibility. I think it high time to voice this instead of just sitting on it. It's why I've been so wishy washy over Mac. There's still not enough there for me to put my vote on him. And before you try to counter with me saying "revealing a townies role" there is also the possibility of that. Stingers posts made me think townie, and Mac's post make me think Indy.

But this isn't about Mac now.I was stating why I "OMGUS'd" him before. This is about me defending myself. So, I understand my behavior has been weird. I do not deny it one bit. Now should it be excused, however I feel that I am possibly an asset to the town. There are things I still do not understand though, and will not take questions on the matter. However, any other questions you ask me I will do my best to answer. So ask away.

Also, when exactly did you start thinking I may be SK again?

I would also encourage you to use your vote more strongly, it brings more power behind the things you say and blatantly tells everyone I am attacking/pressuring this person.

FLORIDA.... like everyone else, instead of making statements like, so and so is scummy or so and so acted like he had a anti-town role, explain why.

hmm did not expect this post to be this long, oh well.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Also, as far as with Chaco and 'defending' Yaya, I think he was just stating that Yaya was plain inactive, that is all. Also, I think a bandwagon would be 2+ votes at a short time (not counting the first one) IMO. Oh and Egruntz, lynching a inactive player is...meh. Sometimes they come up as town. Other times they come up as anti-town. If anything, we usually only consider lynching one as a last resort (we would try to get the person replaced so as to make it fair and keep the game moving).

This very well be true, that's why I should have kept it to myself to see if Chaco defended yaya more and more. But alas, I messed up.

And, I know this is wrong to say, but I am mad down with lynching inactives. They annoy me to know end, because you can't at all get much of a read on them because they never post, or ever say anything of substance. If I had the choice between an inactive or a NL I'm sure I would go with the inactive.

 

[mentosman8]

Ok, well I've got work in like a half hour, so I'm just gonna pop in for right now... I'll look back and give my thoughts after work. Most importantly to me right now, looking at the post Chaco made after being asked to defend himself... Really? That's your defense? You start out making the same style arguments that had been told were useless, pretty much just saying "I'm town."

After that, it looks like you are going to start a defense with the next paragraph, and after again arguing nothing but "it's obvious I'm town," you then say you've made mistakes and if you had done/worded things differently you wouldn't seem suspicious... Most times we find people as mafia if they had done things differently they would have gotten by, so it's a useless argument. Then you go into saying how nobody is very suspicious, pulling the post away from its purpose: defending you. You come back to yourself talking about your vote switching, before jumping onto Macman suspicion and carrying it out through the rest of your post. And of course, the argument of Mac being an SK is weak. An SK needs to live to the end of the game to win, do you REALLY think Stingers got that much suspicion on himself knowing that if he was lynched he would have lost the game d1? I doubt it.

Anyway, your defense quickly, before any real substance, turned to accusing others instead of defending yourself. That is most definitely a scumtell. You have suspicion on you and are asked to defend yourself, and instead of doing so you try to shift the focus and the discussion to another player. Long story short, this has boosted my suspicion of you enough that if you don't make an actual solid defense that focuses on you, not on Macman or other players altogether, this is going to stick. Vote: Chaco

 

[Chaco]

Alright, now that I am in a bit better state of mind. [sorry about that]

Yay for readable typing.

Um on my point about chaco/yaya, I don't think I went about that the proper way. But it did jump out at me that chaco was quick to defend yaya. Simply because he was quick to defend skylerocon when they were both mafia together. I regret putting out my thoughts about that so quickly though, because now if chaco was mafia than he's definitely not going to continue to defend yaya in that way. If he did, I would have a stronger case and a stronger reason to believe that if chaco flipped maf that yaya may have also been mafia.

Well, ya don't have to worry about that because it's not gonna happen.

You made a point before about not bringing stuff in from other games. This is a kind of dumb argument. If you were mafia in that game, and you were acting similarly to how you played there, than one would believe that you were mafia again. It is definitely a possibility that you may behave the same way. It's a common occurence that people bring in stuff they know about someones playstyle or how they have played previously.

Well there's not much to my playstyle. It's really not developed at all yet. Comparing it to another game would be looking at the exact same thing.

To me it's not even about how defensive you were, it was just a very similar reaction to that of NewbMaf 1. However that just may be your natural playstyle. Also, it was the fact that you felt the need to defend yourself to points I never even brought up or attacked you with. I didn't even bring any points up, I just said im getting a scummy feeling from you. It's similar to say I walk up to some random and tell him, "hey you look pretty shady." and him responding with, "Omg what noooo, I didn't rob first national bank a 2 days ago!"

Well, as I did state before and you've reinforced it's my natural playstylle at this point. Sure it will develop and change, but for right now I'm very defensive. I typed it back somewhere a few days back. I'll quote it later if I can find it.

Also, losing another townie would bring us closer to a game over or a loss. So I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that and I don't see why you felt like you had to say that you didn't.

Eh, pressure I guess.

Also, I feel like this has been a very constructive day. It is true that we have focused on you, but legit points and topics of conversation were brought up and discussed. I am really happy with it. I do wish that we had focused more on smashman and yaya, but we stil have time for that. Also, I feel as though Chaco has a lot more evidence towards him being mafia then people who get lynched do in general. So I am fairly happy with my vote right now.

Hmm, you feel as if I have a lot more towards me. So, what are you going to do once I flip town? What's going to happen if i have a power role? Everything that you have on me is miniscule things that were my mistakes. Nothing more than that in the slightest.

It is clearly not obvious that you are town, had that been the case, my vote wouldn't be on you.

You're blinded by your eagerness to lynch me.

Suspicious in what sense? All throughout today I asked both you and KevinM to tell me how I have been antitown and or scummy. And both of you have yet to do so. I hate hate hate that you and others continue to throw out, "ooo yedi has been so suspicious" like that **** was a given. You have to actually show people how I have been, noones gonna [atleast they shouldn't] take your word for it.

Well, I did that now and will answer to it on down. I didn't want to reveal anything until I was sure.

All thoughts on me clearly weren't killed if kevinM was lobbying for my lynch so early in the day.

Well the majority were. What if say, Kevin was the cop and investigated you? And everyone else just forgot about you. But he kept going for your lynch because he knew. [Obv I do not know Kevin's role, just an example]

Finally! all day you have been throwing these like semi accusations at me but continued to stand by the fact that you thought I was town. It was a bit annoying and I just wanted you to come out with whatever you may have been feeling.

So I guess you don't think I am that ambiguous townie role anymore? I am an SK who says Jungle was suspicious to me, and then turns around that night and kills him? I don't really follow your logic here; from my experience, mafia or sk do not NK the person they have pointed suspicion on during the day. Unless of course they believe that person to be a power role.

To be completely honest, it just seems like you're grasping for straws here. Though that scenario [doc protecting someone who got NKed] is perfectly viable it is also not very likely. I would like to know why you think I am SK as opposed to mafia?



Also, when exactly did you start thinking I may be SK again?

I would also encourage you to use your vote more strongly, it brings more power behind the things you say and blatantly tells everyone I am attacking/pressuring this person.

Well, you say, from your experience with SKs. I however have no experience with SKs, and am open to all possiblites. Also, you could've thought Jungle to be a PR, like you said.

And also, I am not grasping for straws. I've got you narrowed down to either SK or that town role. Also, based on what Stingers was saying you're not mafia. The bill just doesn't fit. You both have played to recklessly for me to believe that you are mafia and instead the posts I quoted above lead to me believe you have some sort of protection. When you said that you could hold your own if the mafia came at you it made me think of two things: Well, he's either mafia, or a SK. So I went back and looked through Stingers posts again. "Lynching me will do no good" I even thought the possibility you were unlynchable. There are a few possibly roles besides SK that could make sense but none of which are as common. So, SK is the best one. Plus, I still think you are bulletproof. Whether that means you are an SK or not, it just strengthins the fact that you could be. Also,yes it is unlikely for the doc to protect their target, BUT it can be done. And really I'd say it's our main thing. Because now that I've called you on SK, you are trying to discreetly say that there is no SK. But in a game of this size, there pretty much has to be. Until you can provide reasoning to me that you are not anti-town I will remain to call you on things that I think. Basically, I see it as a mid possibility option that you are SK, and the rest of the chances pretty much go to mafia/small chance of town. Also, Stingers may have just been playing a VERY reckless mafiaso. But eh, we'll see what the others have to say I guess.

Prods please.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Don't feel like quoting stuff.

Mentos pretty much hit the nail on the head[I always seem to forget obvious stuff like that]. Chaco I hope you read that post.

I don't see how my/Stingers statement "Lynching me will do no good" points to being SK at all. It points towars being town.

I never ever said there was no SK, do not put words in my mouth.

Too recklessly to be mafia? SK wants to play even more safe than mafia would, because atleast Mafia has some people to back them up and know's that there are a few people that will not attack them. SK has noone and can be attacked by the town, and/or mafia. So me playing recklessly does not lead towards me being SK at all. Far from it. [Realize tho, that these points don't necessarily clear me, I could purposely be playing recklessly so that people wouldn't think I am SK or Mafia.

Also what you said about your playstyle not changing from this game and newbmafia, can possibly be because you are mafia in both games. Generally people do not act the same if they were mafia and if they were town, unless they are really good and make no scumtells. I know that when I get a mafia role, I am going to be hella obvious because of the way I have been playing in recent games, I won't be able to just mimic that as scum. =/

Pressure shouldn't make you say wrong things. Now it sounds as though you are trying to appeal to your defenders instead of actually thinking rationally. Which imo is a sign of mafia.

If you flip town I will continue to scum hunt and try to find mafia/indy. I would be pretty annoyed though, because I am pretty sure you are scum. But i do have terrible reading skills.

Also, if you are about to be lynched[L-1 or L-2], and have a power role. I think you should claim. I was fully ready to claim mine yesterday and even brought up a breadcrumb by stingers to back it up.

oo ****it I have to quote something now. Sigh

Well, you say, from your experience with SKs. I however have no experience with SKs, and am open to all possiblites. Also, you could've thought Jungle to be a PR, like you said.

And also, I am not grasping for straws. I've got you narrowed down to either SK or that town role. Also, based on what Stingers was saying you're not mafia. The bill just doesn't fit. You both have played to recklessly for me to believe that you are mafia and instead the posts I quoted above lead to me believe you have some sort of protection. When you said that you could hold your own if the mafia came at you it made me think of two things: Well, he's either mafia, or a SK. So I went back and looked through Stingers posts again. "Lynching me will do no good" I even thought the possibility you were unlynchable. There are a few possibly roles besides SK that could make sense but none of which are as common. So, SK is the best one. Plus, I still think you are bulletproof. Whether that means you are an SK or not, it just strengthins the fact that you could be. Also,yes it is unlikely for the doc to protect their target, BUT it can be done. And really I'd say it's our main thing. Because now that I've called you on SK, you are trying to discreetly say that there is no SK. But in a game of this size, there pretty much has to be. Until you can provide reasoning to me that you are not anti-town I will remain to call you on things that I think. Basically, I see it as a mid possibility option that you are SK, and the rest of the chances pretty much go to mafia/small chance of town. Also, Stingers may have just been playing a VERY reckless mafiaso. But eh, we'll see what the others have to say I guess.

Contradiction?

Also, you are back to thinking that I can be any type of antitown role. SK/Maf
and you seem to be trying to push that. So I guess that thing that made you think I was town wasn't that strong.

 

[Chaco]

Innocent until proven guilty. That's the grounds I approached you with. Any contradictions at this point do not matter to me. I did not vote you because I wasn't sure. You however have been all over me, and I await to see your world crash in upon you once I flip town. You do realize once that happens you won't be around long yes? Why would I continue to say this? Self preservation? No. I feel as if my role is an asset to the town. Do I understand this role completely yet. I do not. Is it potentially a PR? Yes. I will claim at L-2. As I have said before. Notice how I am not wavering in my ways a bit. If I was mafia I would be trying to worm my way around. As I did in Newb1, however here I am not. The facade needs to end now, and you need to trust me. I got killed in another game because town refused to believe me and they lost their vig. Defensive and up front is my playstyle.

@Mentos: How do you know cop wasn't on him today pushing for his lynch? Do you know for a fact that he isn't SK? When I flip town, what will your actions on Macman be? Continuing to ignore him will not work.

And once again let me state: Defensive and upfront is how I play. Me being defensive is not a scum tell. I guess you'll figure that out though. Learn from your mistakes, ya? You're gonna have to if you continue to push for my lynch.

Now for questions at everyone:

1. What are you going to do when I flip town?
2. Where are your suspicions going to be at?
3. What if you lose a potentially valuable role?
4. Have you gained any other information on scum?
5. Will your suspicions on Yaya disappear when I flip town? ( Lol Mac)

Now, once votes get on me up to L-2, everyone pinch your **** off and let me post. Town needs to be turned straight, you're getting played so **** hard right now.

 

[Yaya]

Hrm.

I just want to say now, as I screamed at EE throughout the final days of TLI Mafia, "lolz im drunk" is not a valid excuse for making any mistakes, if your drunk, you don't do ******** **** like that, you don't go on Smashboards.

About Chaco's "defense" on me, I believe he was reacting to Macman's drunken bandwagon, as much as it pains me to say this, he is relatively new to the game, and will panic on sudden votes like that.

I can clear myself, if you are interested, Macman.

 

[Chaco]

Don't pass off what I do as newbie mistakes. If anything, don't do that. What can I learn from this if it is passed off as newbie mistakes? And what can you learn from the whole situation with me? I'd be paying attention very closely as this day ends.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I don't recall making any mistakes while being tipsy, nor did I try to use that as a reason to excuse anything I said or did. Other than typing of course. What I said was still valid. I don't see why you brought that up.

I also have stuff to say to Chaco's post but I'd rather some other post their opinions about it and the situation.

Um yes I am interested. I don't know if you want to save what it is for later if you are actually close to being lynched.

Also, can you give us your thoughts on the chaco situation and about me? Also are there others you are suspicious of?

 

[Rockin]

When I tried to defend myself before I got told I was being to defensive. What should change that now?

Because before, as I stated, there was NO reason to defend yourself or be so jumpy cause rarely anyone suspected you. Now that you got fingers pointing at you due to suspicions, you now have the obligation to defend yourself to the best degree.

As Mentos said, your next post after mine was just mainly accusing other people and only a bit of defense for yourself, which isn't good. Furthure more, you go on to say, yet again, that a SK has killed JF and Mafia getting blocked...and just that. You didn't say no vice versa or the sort. Also, you shouldn't use the sentence 'If I was (alignment/role), cause that isn't much of a ground to walk on, since you could just change playstyles/tactics when you're that said role.

Anyway, you seem really determine to shout that you are town, which is the main thing I can't help but shake. The way you're posting right now is starting to sound like stingers, but I'm more incline to think that you're anti-town. It's really 50/50. Anyway, I'll answer your questions

What are you going to do when I flip town?

if you were to flip town, I'd do my best to scum hunt and look for more suspicious people.

2. Where are your suspicions going to be at?

Not exactly sure how to answer this, since I can't quite understand it. If you mean who I may suspect, I guess it'll be a Fos on Marshy

3. What if you lose a potentially valuable role?

Do what I always do. I move on and try to see if the said valuable role breadcrumbed anywhere.

4. Have you gained any other information on scum?

if by scums you mean suspicious people, then only a bit. I need to see how the next day would progress to see if it's true.

5. Will your suspicions on Yaya disappear when I flip town?

all depends. I know little of Yaya because he's freaking inactive and only post 1-2 times after a prod. =/

Now here's a question for you, Chaco. What if Macman isn't a SK like you say?

I would like to hear what others such as Kevin, Hando, Marshy, and Smashman thinks on this (and if it counts, Yaya LOL). I'm still thinking of either voting on Chaco or not...

 

[Handorin]

I'm waiting for this silly debate to end. It's pretty much garbage.

What are you going to do when I flip town?

if you were to flip town, I'd do my best to scum hunt and look for more suspicious people.

But this is probably one of the most generic answers I've ever seen.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Why don't you give your input than hando? I don't see why you pointed out that rockin said that, I said the exact same thing. And what else would you expect one to do if Chaco flips town?

 

[Chaco]

That post after yours was basically for Mac finally telling him what I was thinking. I didn't say that the SK killed JF as a fact, it's what I believe.

Also, why would I be determined to shout town? Go through all the logical reasons in your mind. Also, me being anti-town? No that's definitely not the case. I really haven't done anything to be down on town or hinder them. Main things that got suspicion on me were: Asking you(Rockin) about that post again, defending myself, and then the vote on Mac. All of which I have given reasons too. If you choose not to believe me it is ignorance. Also, you'd be able to tell if I changed styles. And you can be ****ed sure I'm not going down without a fight. I'm going to give you earful after earful until you finally realize where I stand.

I'm posting nothing like Stingers. If I was, I'd be insulting your intelligence.

And what if Macman isn't SK? Well I've already stated that as a possibility. The main role I can see him with is SK, I saw him kind of partially hint at cop once. But I don't buy it. I don't know if it was intentional or not. But he breadcrumbed it on D1. I went back and looked. So, the percentages on him for me would be:

60% on SK, or other indy
20% on Unlynchable, or other townie role.
20% Mafia

I'm pretty sure he's not town aligned, I'll give you that much.


Also, at Mac's ninja post(I previewed), it's not if, it's when.

 

[Rockin]

But this is probably one of the most generic answers I've ever seen.

well, it's the only thing I can honestly say. I'm not sure what others would do, but this is how I would do it. sorry if it's plain *shrugs*

 

[Handorin]

Why don't you give your input than hando? I don't see why you pointed out that rockin said that, I said the exact same thing. And what else would you expect one to do if Chaco flips town?

I gave my input/thought in a nutshell last post I made.

I pointed it out because -anyone- would say it. It's a safe approach. But honestly, I think it's a horrible answer.

And I pointed out that Rockin said it because it was easier to quote him.

And because I find him more suspicious.