Oh yeah, and I would also like to hear some from Yaya, too >_>
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What question? And I'm voting smashman because I think his question towards egruntz yesterDay was silly and I think he's too wordy and I trust him less than others.I'm still waiting on Marshy to answer my question.
Chaco.Everyone- between Chaco or Macman, who do you feel is a better canidate for a lynch?
Well when you realize you're completely wrong, isn't it better to be cautious? I still have questions about you, but I'm dead sure I have your role figured out. But one thing I don't understand is why Stingers played so weird like he did.It's kind of whack that both chaco and kevinm backed off, I wanted to have something to argue...
Between the two? Chaco. What do you think, Rockin?Rockin said:Everyone- between Chaco or Macman, who do you feel is a better canidate for a lynch?
I think a roleclaim should be used as a last defense from being lynched. If you have an important town role, then it would be better to lose you to the mafia that night instead of lynching you that day.Chaco said:And how would people feel about a roleclaim if it comes down to it?
I would rather go for a Chaco lynch at the moment, mostly cause I'm seeing some weird behavior from him. I know there are some things we should excuse because he's new, but I can't help but shake the feeling on him.Between the two? Chaco. What do you think, Rockin?
I think it was odd how Kevin and Chaco stepped away from Macman so quickly. They both seemed pretty set on him, but after I defended him they just sort of dropped it. Anyway, Yaya needs to post more. I see him on AIM all the time.
Well it's definitely not because you defended him, it was because of a post that Stingers had done that made me change my mind on him. I've said this a few times. If anything it's suspicious that you are defending him. Everyone should be able to handle him/her self. You are not supposed to trust anyone and by defending him you are proving that you trust Mac.I think it was odd how Kevin and Chaco stepped away from Macman so quickly. They both seemed pretty set on him, but after I defended him they just sort of dropped it. Anyway, Yaya needs to post more. I see him on AIM all the time.
Don't excuse anything because I'm new. I'm not gonna learn from my mistakes if you pass them off as a newbie mistake. I have to develop my style somehow, and hiding behind newbie is not going to allow that.I would rather go for a Chaco lynch at the moment, mostly cause I'm seeing some weird behavior from him. I know there are some things we should excuse because he's new, but I can't help but shake the feeling on him.
Note the reasoning of the vote, now see these others.Well, I'm not constantly reminding people I'm a newb now am I? I've said it once. Where as Egruntz has said it several times, and trying to pass it off as a newb mistake/john. I really don't see the point in doing that as a newb player myself unless really needed. It just attracts useless attention to yourself, as stated. Everytime he types something suspicious or of the sort he covers it with that. Newbie mafia behavior.
Vote: Egruntz
Ask me questions if you want, I don't see anyone doing so. So how am I fairly suspicious about asking Rockin something? I don't mean to sound like Egruntz, but I am new I'm gonna make mistakes and I'm using this to learn. I don't see how your okay with my lynch based off of nothing but two questions. That just doesn't really add up imho. Everyone else has soooo much more on Stingers(Now Macman) and Egruntz, and you think two suspicious posts is enough to lynch? What's up here? That seems a little to pressing to lynch to me. I don't understand why I'm such an easy lynch candidate. Give me reasoning.
Note the reponse below the first whited out quote, once more he explains he is a newb.
I totally just posted that earlier, so why would I try to hid behind newbie if I clearly stated not to excuse anything because I'm a newbie.Don't excuse aything because I'm new. I'm not gonna learn from my mistakes if you pass them off as a newbie mistake. I have to develop my style somehow, and hiding behind newbie is not going to allow that.
Technically it was only once. You took one entirely out of context. Which I can't blame you, you probably didn't read Newb1 at the beginning of the sentence.Saod only once, my ***.
This post slipped by me, KevinM, have you not seen some of Macman's post? What about the post he made when he entered, do you consider that a waste of your time?And @ Macman
You hadn't made any worthwhile posts since you were replaced in, you acted just like stingers with your random one liners, the post in which you asked me how you were being anti-town is the first bit of anything I've seen out of you, You're not getting a rise out of me with your play style it's simply a hinderence to the town.
Well, since you enjoy being the big man of the group, you can lead if you like ^^
Ok, so here he looks like he is up for someone wanting to be a leader. Laziness? Nonchalant? Dunno. But he immediately takes it back once I show how it's a bad idea (while leaving a hint of "but I still like the idea" at the end).No one in spider-mafia really knows if you've been day killed or not, so if you want to speak more of your reasons in Spider-mafia, best do it now.
and as for leader, I agree with Hando. Leader is good to have, but it's also good that town be independent for the moment and speak up on discussion. Only reason we listened to you and Tom was cause ya were obvious townies (but then again, Tom can do the helpful act even as Mafia).
I know you're joking smashman, but try not to focus too hard on the leader thing >>
Blanket statements. Those are bad. Rockin is too smart of player to normally do that. He also throws out flavor. What if being normal -is- the flavor?oh macman :D
anyway, we should get discussion started.
so far, we agree that no lynches are bad. with that said, lets talk a bit.
seems like this game has no flavor this time (if it is, it's straight forward). Looks like this mafia game is gonna be interesting.
I pointed this out shortly after, but this post is full of unneeded stingers hate to throw some discussion off/back on to stingers (now allowing it to move). Stingers was taking the game serious, he was just playing it a bit different than you want. He was just grasping at straws the whole time.Also, I don't much agree with the mindset Stringers has, as well as the attitude play he gave to egrunts. First of all, voting is important. It can save town. Or crush town. a mislynch is a bad thing, and from the sound of his attitude, he doesn't seem to care if town gets screwed off or not (at least, that's what I'm seeing). I think I know why he's acting like this though.
He's not taking it seriously.
The main point I'm getting at is the playstyle. While they go for a few random lynches here and there (oh yeah, there are bandwagons in there), we however try to use reason upon our said victims. Think of us as the 'hardcore gamers' and people like stringers the 'casual gamers.' We take our ****z seriously and do as much research as needed. He does it for the fun and just randomly say stuff with little to no weight.
The type of playstyle he plays is really bad, as he could easily be manipulated to mislynching. He'd bascially be a katherik_King (who I nickname 'crackers' ). Right now, I dunno if he's either town, Mafia, or independet, but if he doesn't change up, he's gonna cost town.
so stringers, why don't you put effort into your suspicious people? Don't you know your vote and words hold better worth if you actually explain your reasons besides 'Just cause!' ?
Wait, it's time to change up discussion? No more tunnel vision? It just keeps going after this though...I'm starting to really believe Marshy when others say they're too 'tunnel minded.' I'm not sure what either alignment both egruntz and stingers is, but they're not gonna be much of my main concern atm. I feel there should be other people to start focusing.
I also want to see Yaya post a bit more. Stop being inactive and post a bit more >:
Now frankly, there really isn't a lot of people to really suspect in my eyes. However, we should put the topic in a new angle. Also Mentos, try not to get easily irritated by stingers. You know you can play better when you're not angry.
Everyone - BESIDES stringers and egruntz, who else do you find suspicious? Is there any reason to this?
also KevinM, I didn't ignore your question. I just don't know really who to poke for the 10 questions >>
Now he turns around, again, and says a stingers lynch is no good. He goes from being a good candidate to not a a good lynch at all. Keeping an eye on 3, kinda random, people that have been doing the same thing as you (and other people)?Jungle, I don't know why you sucame to a ragevote. Look at your post up on the top of this page
If you can say that, then you should know that a stingers lynch is NOT good. Tell me, what would happen if he's town? What would happen if he has a town power role? I'll tell you. We would lead the day with no type of new information and if that latter happened, we would lose a possible important role.
and Yaya, I thought of that possibility, but then I felt that wasn't it either. Even if he's jester, he has to convincingly let himself be suspicious (while not saying 'I'm mafia! LYNCH ME!' ).
I just can't picture him being a mafia at all. Probably not even be a independent.
At first, I did found him suspicious upon how he's acting, but he never let up to what he was doing. He never stopped. he just kept on GOING. I don't think Mafia would encouraged this so much and I don't think he wants to lose if he was independent.
So yeah, if we lynch stingers, we'll get nothing but air. However, if we lynch someone else, we may get some kind of information.
I'm gonna keep an eye on KevinM, Mentos, and Jungle. All three of them REALLY either pointing out the obvious with stingers and it's annoying. KevinM may not be too suspicious, cause I think I read him saying he has some other suspicious people (not counting Egruntz).
I think a Egruntz lynch is good. What does town think?
Someone who plays enough, like Rockin, should know that people who aren't under scrutiny can say things that are suspicious and can be questioned just as easily (How did people react, question, etc.?) Anndddd then he turns around and contradicts is here.... 2 posts later.There's also KevinM, but meh...not that much, really.
most of the days went by with just both egruntz and stingers, so there isn't really much people to suspect (even before that, I didn't find anyone suspicious).
Tunnel visioned. More grasping at straws (like, jungle is an emotional player anyways).Chaco, while I understand of how useless a stinger lynch is, that can't stop you from at least suspecting possibly others in the game. We got like 4 days left, and I'm sure if we put focus on someone else, we may find something.
What does everyone think about Mentosman and Junglefever. I feel that Mentos' sudden lost of cool towards stingers is odd, considering I felt he was the type that wouldn't lose his impatience towards one person. The same with Junglefever.
Well thing is, that's the only lynch so far that seems acceptable in my eyes. Of course, stingers makes a better canidate, we don't know how much info we may get out of his lynch. I have said my suspicion upon other people, but it's not enough to lead a vote. In my eyes at least, I feel that a egruntz lynch is a way to go.
speaking of Egruntz...HEY! Get over here and post you bum!
We only have three days till the day is over.
Wait, I thought stingers wasn't a good candidate at all. Oh, I guess egruntz being a noob + him arguing with stingers makes him a good candidate.Stingers has been acting suspicious (or stupid, take your pick) in terms of being asked questions and whatnot. Because of him acting so suspicious and not caring, Even though these qualities makes him a good lynch choice, I personally don't see much benifit.
Ewww. Bad assumption. As I said in spiderman, the main topic doesn't need to be everyone's focus. No other discussion would be created.While I know egruntz's newb card doesn't hold much weight, the fact that he hasn't been posting too much in the thread is something. Most of his recent post doesn't really talk about the main topic at hand. There's also that little battle they had. It's unsure to call it real or fake, but meh. Also, lynching him and him coming up town may just show that stingers is actually town.
"Aww, my easy lynch just got not so easy. I'll change it up"You are acting veeeery defensive for some reason. A few people have just little suspicion on you, and you're acting paranoid. You seem real quick to try and clear your name where there isn't barely any focus on you. You hiding something?
And Jungle, I like how you're constantly bringing up HP mafia-ness with Marshy.
Where did your Big 3 go? New, weaker people to go after now?Erm...hello? Guys? We got a extra day for a reason you know?
Let's start fanning out the obvious here: There is no longer a need for a Macman lynch (at least, not for this day). He's already given us a lot to work with and we obviously know he'll be co-operative (at least more then Stingers). Most of the reasons for stinger lynch was cause how unhelpful he is. Since that Macman took his place, that reason is null and void >>
We need to decide what we should for this day and fast. For the post part, Chaco is acting a bit defensive even on something so small. I ask you all
How does everyone feel about a Chaco or Egruntz lynch? If they don't find him to be a good lynch choice, who do you think it should be?
Would everyone be happy of a no lynch? Please give reason to these.
I'm all up for a Egruntz lynch cause of how inactive he seems to be, as well as his small reasoning for a stinger lynch.
we got less then 9 hours. we gotta make a decision and fast.
Not sure how I left the 'I still like the idea' thing, but I didn't care if he acted as leader or not, cause eventually he'll have to prove his worth in terms of actually being a townie leader. There's no need to be a mindless drone when having a leader, cause as you said, you never know if he's anti-town or not.Ok, so here he looks like he is up for someone wanting to be a leader. Laziness? Nonchalant? Dunno. But he immediately takes it back once I show how it's a bad idea (while leaving a hint of "but I still like the idea" at the end).
When I spoke of flavor, I spoke of the theme and how days and deaths will be presented. Majority of the games I'm in there's usually either a story-ish type of flavor or I'm playing as said character with said alignment.Blanket statements. Those are bad. Rockin is too smart of player to normally do that. He also throws out flavor. What if being normal -is- the flavor?
It was hard to see it (and if I look back, it would probably still be hard).He acted like a douche to majoryity of the time. He could practically mislynch with a said vote he has and have no regret with it whatsoever. Yeah, his playstyle didn't agree with me, I'll give you that. >>I pointed this out shortly after, but this post is full of unneeded stingers hate to throw some discussion off/back on to stingers (now allowing it to move). Stingers was taking the game serious, he was just playing it a bit different than you want. He was just grasping at straws the whole time.
After looking at Marshy's post as well as how other's react, I decided to pull out of the stingers topic and try to look at other things to look at, as well as making town at least table stingers (holding him for now) and focus on other stuff to look at, so we can come up with a agreeable lynch canidate.Wait, it's time to change up discussion? No more tunnel vision? It just keeps going after this though...
Now Hando, keep note of something. I never voted for stingers at all, even when I wasn't in agreement with him.I wanted to find a legit and concrete reason why I should vote for him. Instead, all he's been doing is just be unhelpful. That wasn't much of a weight to vote for him, since Mafia could've told him to cut it out some time ago (or if he was Independent, he would've been more concern about -living-. ) Several kept getting mixed up upon what I thought about stingers, which will be explain in the upcoming quote quote.Now he turns around, again, and says a stingers lynch is no good. He goes from being a good candidate to not a a good lynch at all. Keeping an eye on 3, kinda random, people that have been doing the same thing as you (and other people)?
To be honest, I'm not sure how good my scum hunt quality is compared to other veterans like KevinM, you, Marshy, and others. Upon Day 1, I only really found two people to be suspicious, and that was both egruntz and Chaco for their post and reactions. At the time, there was some FoS on Jungle and Mentos, cause of how they reacted as well as them acting out of character (especially Mentos).Someone who plays enough, like Rockin, should know that people who aren't under scrutiny can say things that are suspicious and can be questioned just as easily (How did people react, question, etc.?) Anndddd then he turns around and contradicts is here.... 2 posts later.
I don't think I was being tunnel visioned, as I was just focusing on other people.Tunnel visioned. More grasping at straws (like, jungle is an emotional player anyways).
See, this was the thing that several got confused of.Wait, I thought stingers wasn't a good candidate at all. Oh, I guess egruntz being a noob + him arguing with stingers makes him a good candidate.
As I said before, there was some suspicion with KevinM, but that was about it. I had suspicion on Macman and Junglefever mainly, but Mentos made a big post saying his reasons and that he understood why I was after him. I think Jungle just appologized and that was about it. so, satisfied with those answers, I let them go for now.Where did your Big 3 go? New, weaker people to go after now?
When we was playing TLI, all me and Jungle talked about was mainly who was suspicious to him, as well as maybe little helps and whatnot as how to post. The only sneaky thing I did was manipulated him to posting a '**** in my pants' fake claim as well as a role claim. We didn't talk to much online in terms of the game, cause he would usuallly be busy with his ends of work (I think he works at a bar).Also, I feel Rockin would be one to kill Jungle. After TLI Mafia, jungle would be a lot more prone to tricks Rockin might use. It would make sense for Rockin to kill someone off who he has played with extensively in a talk-outside-the-game basis.
Ok who cares about the kill, we don't need 2342 ppl saying the same thing.
vote: chaco
Joke voting day 2?
Or voting with no explanation?
Either one on D2 isn't helpful.
Since you're going to continue to play anti town, I have no problem again looking to lynch you.
Vote Mac
First things first, these posts and votes by Kevin and Chaco. Kevin jumps in assuming a joke vote, and says Macman is continuing an anti-town play style, when I disagree, especially on the post that vote followed. Chaco says Jungle's kill should be discussed, which isn't a bad idea. However, what he had posted in reference to Jungle's death was NOT discussion, merely an observation, and Macman's point was that we don't need people saying it was weird. If we're going to talk about it, it should be something useful not just a "well that was weird."Woah, kinda pushy aren't we? Apparently you see no problem with Jungle getting killed, and don't see it as weird. When I really see it as weird, and it should be discussed if possible.
So for now FOS: Macman
Now this quote is interesting to me for a couple reasons. First of all, you suspected Macman to be killed N1? He was arguably THE most suspect person d1, chances of mafia removing that suspicion if he's town is very low. Second of all, Macman clearly has NOT been playing the same way as Stingers, so your entire piece there is just fluff. Stingers saying it wouldn't do any good lynching him? If he's town that's pretty self explanatory. And once again, did you really think that was a joke vote?Well, Stingers was just annoying. So I was just waiting for him to be killed N1. But eh, I really didn't think much more when you took his place. The way I see it is, you said he was playing his role well in a post. Which kinda gives you the opinion your going to play the same way. Also, at one point Stingers said that it wouldn't do any good lynching him. Elaborate?
And really just the whole joke voting D2, and anti town bells I get from you.
Vote: Macman
Don't recall if it was explained, but OMGUS is essentially voting/suspecting someone because they voted you. Based on your posts FoS'ing and voting Mac, that seems to be what you were doing. More importantly, after called out on the vote, you "realized" something that made you think he was town, and dropped it off.Woah, I had this monstrous post written up about why I thought Macman was suspicious. I even screen shotted it if you want to see, heh, but I definitely realized something now. And woah, I was off.
Also....what does OMGUS mean? I have no earthly clue.
Unvote
Well, I want Macman to post before I answer that. Just because I'm not sure if I should answer or not. See what I'm getting at?
I really don't want to put you out on the spot, and revealing what I think a townies role is isn't good. I want to know what you think. I picked up on Stingers posts and such, and it gave me what I feel a pretty accurate role for you.
Three straight posts you say you don't think it's good to point out townie roles, yet you continue to post suggesting you believe Macman HAS a power-role. It almost looks like you are trying to put bright neon signs pointing scum to Mac without actually revealing your thoughts on his role so you don't seem as suspicious.Well, just pointing out townie rules is not good. I was wrong about Mac being mafia.
Between Chaco and Mac? Chaco. Is he necessarily a great lynch choice in my eyes yet? not really. I'll get into why I don't think Macman is a good choice after I'm done with responding to the quotes I've got. Chaco's done a bit odd, but I'm not too sure how I feel about lynching him on what I've got. Definitely a possible choice though.Chaco, future reference: next time you had something in mind you originally had and you want to share your thoughts, it's best if you just type it all out in your own words instead of making a image of it. It makes it easier, IMO. If you have something important to say, then say it. Otherwise, keep theories and guesses of roles and whatnot to yourself. We shouldn't give Mafia any ideas.
I'm still waiting on Marshy to answer my question. I'm curious upon why he's voting on smashman. I'm also waiting on Mentosman to go ahead and post a bit. Would love to hear what he has to think of Day 2 thus far.
Everyone- between Chaco or Macman, who do you feel is a better canidate for a lynch?
Haha received and responded Once again sorry for the inactivity guys, I'll try my best to not let it happen again.Mod, think we can get a small prod from Mentos and Yaya?
Strange comment by Chaco again here. He says it's strange that egruntz/florida defended Mac. However, I don't recall him calling attention to Marshy's much more heated defense of Mac yesterday, so it just strikes a chord. I do like the second half of the post^.^Well it's definitely not because you defended him, it was because of a post that Stingers had done that made me change my mind on him. I've said this a few times. If anything it's suspicious that you are defending him. Everyone should be able to handle him/her self. You are not supposed to trust anyone and by defending him you are proving that you trust Mac.
Don't excuse anything because I'm new. I'm not gonna learn from my mistakes if you pass them off as a newbie mistake. I have to develop my style somehow, and hiding behind newbie is not going to allow that.
wh y?Also, I am interested in KevinM.
Just am, like it meant I was gonna watch him.wh y?
Holy hell good memory.I think he works at a bar
Just throwing out there that I already said my theory. I still stand by it.Because, so you'd know where my other suspicions are at.
Why would I watch him more closely? Because of his same reaction to the kill. I have like a mini theory as to the kill, which I'm not voicing now, and I wanted to see if anyone else thought the kill was weird. He spoke up and said it. So it kinda fed my theory.
Ah, maybe that is the case.I think you're thinking too hard about the silly question to Egruntz