Sure, there are plenty of factors that come into play in tournament settings that don't necessarily always point to skill. The point is, we can argue all we want about the fundamentals and play style of each player, but in the end talking and analyzing how good a player is and not showing ANY results since, what October 2013 when 2.5 was still out, is no different than theorycrafting. Placings in the end of the day are more relevant than they are not. I can understand your argument if Chad entered a tournament and got a lower placing than Gallo due bad pools, but you don't even argue that. Now considering the people Gallo beat.
jcaesar doesnt deserve to be mentioned.
I don't even...
Ive only heard of fuzzyness and vist;
You haven't heard of Dakpo. Mind = blown.
Chads mario plays out like a common fundamental melee mario, much like a rookie. Almost everything he does is done so with flawless spacing a reads. His movement is efficient and he crafty with marios tools, never sticking to a single tactic.
I'm glad you say this without pointing out a single example from his play at Big House 3. Very convincing argument. I'm not saying I can't be convinced, but you can't possibly expect to win an argument by demanding something to be true. If your response is just "well I guess you just can't see it" well okay then. Thanks for trying. Just post a video and a timestamp to provide your examples and if they're convincing, I'll back off.
Compare this to gallo. His playstyle consists of very very bad mindgames which i can only assume to be due to some kind of autopilot rather than pure intention,
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spams fireballs recklessly and mindlessly (this is important), erratic imprecise bad objectiveless movement that often puts him in situations that are unfavorable (negitive spacing), and has a very tunnel vision offensive game that consists of what i used to believe to be unsafe options from my experience in melee (such as dair on shield why would you do that).
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This somehow seems to work out for him, mainly because most characters struggle against fireballs and theyre more dominating than falcos lasers(if you disagree with this its because you need to go learn how to play around lasers, extremely overrated projectiles). He doesnt have any discipline with them either or saves them for when theyre needed. He justs throws them out constantly and succeeds because theyre so powerful. I used to believe that fireball spamming was suboptimal, as pills are incredibly risky in melee and require a lot of thought to get any benefits from them. Somehow scrubbiness pulls out over knowledge and patience in this situation, as proven by gallos matches where simple fireball turnarounds can convert to extremely yet balls simple solid punishes 70% of the time. In the case where this doesnt happen mario tanks it with his great survivability, resilience to combos, and extra safe recovery.
So using an option that is safe, hinders the opponent, and opens them up for combos is dumb? Damn, better get rid of shield pressure because it does the exact same thing. You shouldn't blame the player for using an option that they can use to win. If it works and you think its cheap, blame the game not the player.
If you find a video of gallo playing any other character then you will find that it is many times worse than his mario
That applies to like every player ever, save for a few select top players. And Gallo is really really good with Pit, a character who is insanely different from Mario, so I don't understand your argument.
Another thing, beating melee players in pm doesnt deserve mention at all. The meta is much much slower and more defensive, something many melee players areunaccustomed to or their characters are unsuited for it (see axe and kage). Spacies that are not wolf are really mediocre in this game and will not be winning tournaments any time soon. Beating mango or any top melee player in pm doesnt deserve any praise at all because the game is slower and more lenient for everyone except melee top tiers.
This comment made me lol. First off, Axe is an amazing player and I don't think I need to sing his praises in PM to show why, but if you need me to, fine. I should say that AZ players like Neon and Heysuess can tell you that Axe's PM Pikachu is the real deal, and it's not like he just uses his Melee knowledge exclusively. You can clearly see in his gameplay that he uses a lot of bairs and QAC, both of which are new in PM. Another thing is that you said before that Denti is a good player. Yet at Whobo MLG that just happened, Mango beat Denti. Don't even tell me Fox is cheap because you just said he wasn't. Dr. PP also beat Reflex, one of the best players in PM at the moment. Leffen has also beaten Professor Pro and has come really close into beating Rolex. I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
Btw, Hylian, if this is off-topic or toxic to this thread, feel free to tell me to take this to PMs and I will gladly do so.