Toon Link Inquiry Thread (Ask a question, get an answer)

[Dokutayuu]

Thanks for the edge help. I'll see if I can get the hang of it when I face another Kirby. The one character that I find hardest to beat...

 

[Rawrness]

Everyone just asks in Santi's thread.

the thread's been closed.

 

[demonictoonlink]

I miss it already...

 

[Disfunkshunal]

the thread's been closed.

we're losing all the fun threads

 

[Santi]

I miss it too

But I was going to ask for it to be closed today or tomorow... guess someone beat me to it ha.

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dokutayuu
How do I stop a Kirby from edge guarding against me? Should I hookshot it or not? I always seem to recieve an F-smash...

Don't use spin attack too early. It sounds to me like you're going above the edge and getting an F-smash in the face. Try to sweetspot the ledge, or zair for safer recovery.

Yeah for the record, Tlink's Up-B will only grab onto the ledge in the second half of the recovery animation (unlike Fox). So just fall further if you want to sweet spot it. As it is it's a huge vertical recovery so you'll be fine.

 

[Barge]

Youtube and smash forums hates santi.
I guess ask here again?

 

[oOJaseOo]

right im trying to improve my spam game cause i got all my combos etc down now i was wondering about the arrows when you guys short hop double arrow spam do you change the height at all for mind games instead of the normally speedy one and about the back arrow that makes you glide/shift can it set you up for combos/kills? oh and thx for the thread was looking for sumin like this when santi's thread closed ^^

 

[Chip.]

This seems helpful


hmmmmm do you mind if I sticky this?

 

[iRjOn]

nope do it
chippy!
:D

 

[Disfunkshunal]

This seems helpful


hmmmmm do you mind if I sticky this?

you better not

 

[Cloud Cleaver]

In light of mod redirection...

What's the best way for Toon Link to make use of respawn invincibility? Likewise, how do you deal with your opponent while he or she is invincible? It's pretty obvious that if both players manage to die simultaneously, staying on the platform for as long as you can is a must, since the first person to leave has less invincibility time. Beyond that, I'm not sure what the accepted strats are.

 

[cman]

I have looked at the match up threads, but one is outdated and the other is unfinished. Who are TL's worst three match ups with?

 

[iRjOn]

MK...erm Marth( I do ok personally against Marths).
and erm who ever else fits you as I'm bad against [insert here]
for me its Falco...
Everyone else I'm ight against.

But in general Toon Link has quite a few bad match ups
MK is his worse...sadly.

 

[Barge]

Thanks for the sticky chip.

 

[Kief]

In light of mod redirection...

What's the best way for Toon Link to make use of respawn invincibility? Likewise, how do you deal with your opponent while he or she is invincible? It's pretty obvious that if both players manage to die simultaneously, staying on the platform for as long as you can is a must, since the first person to leave has less invincibility time. Beyond that, I'm not sure what the accepted strats are.

when they have invincibility i run around like a scared rabbit.

when i have invincibility if they're stupid then i'll get in a free move but normally i'll just whip out a bomb and chuck it at em. normally they'll try to run past me to 'avoid' the bomb but i turn around and throw it on the side of me that they're going to be on so they still get hit

 

[Mota]

When they're invincible I run towards the edge, do 2 full jumps and start throwing bombs down at em.

When I'm invincible I start projectile spamming, but if they're on a high percent charge in and start U-smash spamming =D

 

[oOJaseOo]

Nobody got any tips for arrow spam?

 

[SuSa]

Nobody got any tips for arrow spam?

SH Arrow, Quickdraw.

Repeat.

Quickdraw every chance you get. After pulling a bomb, after a (I forget which aerial, but I think its bair or nair).

It's a good habit to get into, and a better habit once you learn the correct moments to -NOT- quickdraw on landing.


My arrows are all over the place when I'm TL.

Full hop > arrow > arrow > quickdraw also seems to be good, or I'm on crack and that never really happened.

 

[oOJaseOo]

SH Arrow, Quickdraw.

Repeat.

Quickdraw every chance you get. After pulling a bomb, after a (I forget which aerial, but I think its bair or nair).

It's a good habit to get into, and a better habit once you learn the correct moments to -NOT- quickdraw on landing.


My arrows are all over the place when I'm TL.

Full hop > arrow > arrow > quickdraw also seems to be good, or I'm on crack and that never really happened.

ahh right cool thx for replying will do that

 

[iRjOn]

Nobody got any tips for arrow spam?

SHDA is sex.
Thats short hop double arrow if you didn't know.
Quickdraw like Havokk said.
Except you can quickdraw after a buch
fair
nair
bair
bomb pull
bomb throw
full hopped rang
full hopped zair(dont use this >.>...)
And a few other thing I forget
But SHDA is sex for real learn it.

 

[Sosuke]

Don't quickdraw if the other characters close to you, or if your up against a really fast character thats somewhat near you. <_<

 

[Kief]

ok while we're on topic, how do you SHDA anyway? like i feel stupid cus i know you short hop, shoot an arrow, and land with a quickdraw, but i cant seem to be able to do it. do you guys use b-sticking or do i just suck at timing? lol.

 

[Sosuke]

Full hop > arrow > arrow > quickdraw also seems to be good, or I'm on crack and that never really happened.

Your probably thinking of a double jump.

Or your just on crack.

 

[Barge]

ok while we're on topic, how do you SHDA anyway? like i feel stupid cus i know you short hop, shoot an arrow, and land with a quickdraw, but i cant seem to be able to do it. do you guys use b-sticking or do i just suck at timing? lol.

When you short hop press B immediately, and you should be able to shoot an arrow again right away when you land.
Just keep practicing.

 

[Kief]

When you short hop press B immediately, and you should be able to shoot an arrow again right away when you land.
Just keep practicing.

well normally since i do it too slow i'll short hop then immediately and repeatedly hit b as fast as i can (i still fail lol). i figure i could still do it then cus if im too slow, then repeatedly hitting b should insure that i do in fact hit it fast enough. or can i for some reason not do that and have to hit b only twice?

 

[Barge]

well normally since i do it too slow i'll short hop then immediately and repeatedly hit b as fast as i can (i still fail lol). i figure i could still do it then cus if im too slow, then repeatedly hitting b should insure that i do in fact hit it fast enough. or can i for some reason not do that and have to hit b only twice?

You could probably spam B right before you hit the floor to quick draw, it's not that hard. Just spend like 2-5 minutes in training mode =/

Btw I love your sig with the mario kart gif.

 

[iRjOn]

well normally since i do it too slow i'll short hop then immediately and repeatedly hit b as fast as i can (i still fail lol). i figure i could still do it then cus if im too slow, then repeatedly hitting b should insure that i do in fact hit it fast enough. or can i for some reason not do that and have to hit b only twice?

Spamming B while trying to SHDA will cause you to charge your frist arrow.
If your not fast enough do like me have a jump that you use with your left hand.
For example I leave tap jump on.
Or you could make L jump if you hate tap jump.
You have to press b twice.
Its best to slow down time in training mode in order to get it.

 

[SuSa]

Your probably thinking of a double jump.

Or your just on crack.

I left out my double-jump step.

I'm on something that induces typos.

 

[Cloud Cleaver]

For SHDA, I find it easer to take my right index finger off the shoulder to hit Y, then bring it back. Trying to hit Y then immediately hitting B with just the thumb IS possible, but it's not reliable. It's not like you need your finger on R or Z for that split second anyway; L covers your airdodge needs, and you won't be zairing while you're engaged in a SHDA.

Don't use X, by the way. Bad idea.

 

[Kief]

wow so many people helping me i feel so loved

barge thanks for the mario kart compliment i love it too lol.

for some reason i never thought of trying it at slower speeds in training mode but i will do that :\ i have tap jump on but i short hop with X because i cant short hop with the control stick. thanks irjon.

and yeah i use X and im finding out myself that thats a bad idea. i'll try out that way you said also cloud cleaver.

 

[oOJaseOo]

ahh cool thx, yea i did know SHDA was short hop double arrow i use it alot i was wanting to know more about your guys strategies for arrows if there is one or is it just spam when you can, and about the small glide that happens when you short hop back arrow its looks cool and i find it helps me with my mind games i just wanna know wat else i can do with it cause i prefer arrows to the rang and its tied with the bombs but yea any help would beeeee coool and yes SHDA is the sex ',; )

Edit: oh and yea this is a bit off topic but im haveing probs with recording i got this Dvd recorder so i had decent vids to show you guys and i was wondering does anyone know a decent VRO converter its all for the toon link cause so yea... anyone?

 

[copacetic]

In light of mod redirection...

What's the best way for Toon Link to make use of respawn invincibility? Likewise, how do you deal with your opponent while he or she is invincible? It's pretty obvious that if both players manage to die simultaneously, staying on the platform for as long as you can is a must, since the first person to leave has less invincibility time. Beyond that, I'm not sure what the accepted strats are.

When I die, oftentimes I'll come back and walk toward them (usually by the edge) and charge a smash facing away from them. 9 times out of 10 opponents will roll right into it, even pro players. If the opponent doesn't jump or anything during your approach, chances are they'll roll into it.

When they die, double jump and drop bombs.

 

[QUIVO]

I don't know what pro players would roll into that...

That was a common thing in melee, and I thought in this game too.

 

[copacetic]

by "pro" i meant good, not professional. basically anyone confident enough to enter a tournament. It won't work on anyone whose name you've heard before most likely, but if your opponent is just waiting for you when you come back to life, there's a good chance they'll roll.

And just a quick question:
When playing on Smashville (excluding tournies) how many people here avoid the fight to get the balloon?

 

[Jellyfishn]

It doesn't really work on most of the people I have played.... just mix it up, and never be predictable.

 

[oOJaseOo]

For spot dodgers or ppl who roll outta the way use uncharged or charged up b and that puts em on perf % to start bair combos if u get em, if done right u should get em to around 40-50% 60% sometimes but depends on the player then projectile spam/mindgames till kill% in which you patently wait useing your bombs for an opening thats wat i do anywho

 

[Kief]

And just a quick question:
When playing on Smashville (excluding tournies) how many people here avoid the fight to get the balloon?

i always ditch the battle to get the balloon lol.

 

[oOJaseOo]

automatic win in our friendlys lol we fight for the balloon over here

 

[Jellyfishn]

i always ditch the battle to get the balloon lol.

And that is one of the biggeest rewards for playing a character with projectiles. xD