Tomafia 3 - Game Over, Town wins!

[Matunas]

I'm back from my three day hiatus at my parents.

Merry Christmas everyone.

The first thing I'd like to say sorry for heading the lynch against a townie, but I really did think he was mafia.

How does a roleblocker make any sense at all? Every game I've seen they are able to block roles, not night kills. Now, if an independent tried to use their shots, or someone tried to investigate then I'd understand.

Everyone have a good break so far? Way out in the boonies of Illinois it was a giant sheet of ice. Driving has been a blast. Only a few wrecks that I've seen though. Cold weather can bite my shiny metal ***.

 

[Omis]

According to the link Tom provided, roleblocker can block any night action.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Yea that's what I thought as well. But I don't have as much experience as you so I am not sure.

 

[Matunas]

Perhaps I've been mistaken for awhile then.

I know people are still doing things with family and the like, but we really need some activity in here to keep this game going. So far it's stayed really active, but we're hitting a pretty bad slump, and some posts would be really appreciated.

 

[Rockin]

Well MATUNAS, I'm not sure what else to say at the moment. for now, both me and Ronike have our votes on Omis for reasons that has already been said. Omis still hasn't made a strong defense for him not being voted and is instead, trying to focus on another matter.

Now as said, Role Blockers are people who just block roles. I don't think our mafia is a role blocker...but maybe just either a normal mafia or a assassin (the mafia version of a vigilante), but for that to be in a game this small is unlikly IMO.

Since no one is claiming to be a role blocker or anything like that, I'm gonna assume the mafia chose not to kill so as to try and throw us off.

 

[Matunas]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I think the mafia was stopped on this one. I can't see them not killing at this point in the game.

 

[Rockin]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I think the mafia was stopped on this one. I can't see them not killing at this point in the game.

If he was stopped, then that's good at least. The role blocker would have the best idea as to who the mafia was.

Now the question is...what to do now? The only one who's the most suspicious is Omis IMO.

Oh, just curious though. You said that I was weird Matunas. Mine elaborate your reasons to that? Maybe I can clarify your reasons.

 

[Matunas]

I said I was looking at you weird. It was concerning Omis?. I said it because at the time I was fairly convinced that because of his strong conviction against Stratford I doubted he was mafia. I still do, because I don't think it would be worth it for any mafia to eliminate their teammate. Anyone putting the blame on him became a suspect in my eyes.

I'll admit that I think Omis? is suspicious and needs looked into. But that's mostly because of his odd play style. I think he is trying, and somewhat falling flat on being a good townie. But I could be horribly wrong about that.

 

[MexicanBJ]

hold on a second.......people are allowed to disclose their roles???

also, i completely agree with matunas's statement that the mafia most likely would not choose to not kill anyone

and finally, still completely in agreement with ronike and rockin in being still suspicious of omis? (as i always have been since the beginning)

he's just way too good at changing topics and putting the power in his own hands, trying to get the whole group to act a certain way......

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yea we can role claim, the thing is will people believe you or not.

 

[Rockin]

yea we can role claim, the thing is will people believe you or not.

Not only that, but will it be worth it? You telling yourself what role you are would mean you're putting yourself out in the open...and while you may not be lynched, you may be night killed.

But, there will be times when role claiming is neccessary. Sometimes it helps benifits I believe. It's all about the timing.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Well it would make alot of sense in this case... to role claim, especially if you can ID mafia, cause that would mean we won the game. Assuming there are two mafia, refer back to my previous post about this.

 

[Omis]

Instead of roleclaiming, let us have the cop,if there is one, investigate me. Everyone seems to be holding onto the intution (sp?) that I am mafia. With my alliance out in the open, I feel that we could get to more in depth discussions. The issue over my alliance is holding us back too much IMO. I propose a no lynch and have the cop investigate me and reveal all their previous investigations on night 4. By that point, even if the cop gets killed we are still very much ahead.

 

[Rockin]

I propose we don't do that, considering that not only that we don't know if we have a cop or not, but considering this gives the mafia a free shot at night. Even if no lynching was a good idea, there's a flaw to it. Let's say we no lynch and the cop tries to look over Omis, but gets killed. Without the cop, we wouldn't be able to see his previous investigations...and Omis will still be somewhat scott free.

also, where the hell is Ronike? MexianBJ has been kinda quiet too >>

 

[Omis]

This could also help us find out if there is a roleblocker. I do see what you mean about the cop maybe being killed though. Isnt it standard for there to be cop in a game of this size though? Besides your suspicion of me, what else is catching your interest Rockin.

 

[Ronike]

I'm on vacation and can only use Internet on my iPhone, so that's where.

Omis?, I'm begining to think you are the godfather. Know why? Godfathers have cop immunity, so not only do you get cleared of suspiscion, you also get a free kill. Nice try, but no dice

 

[Omis]

How else do you propose I clear my name Ronike? Every action I take you guys spin to make me mafia.

 

[MexicanBJ]

hm........i'm beginning to see this as an extremely difficult situation

i guess we have two options:

1. do as omis? suggested and have a no lynch followed by an investigation and cop report

the problem with this is that first we must assure that there is indeed a cop out there....and if he identifies himself, the mafia can easily night kill him (and this could indeed be a beautiful strategy by omis?)

if we simply "assume" that there is a cop (which omis? is hinting at), this strategy would be extremely dangerous since if there wasn't, we would be at the same position 1 day from here with just another innocent killed

2. we find someone to lynch as usual

well this would be the "normal" solution and would obviously involve the same risks

thus i suggest we continue as usual and take the route with "less" risk (number 2) and my vote stands with omis? for reasons previously suggested in addition to ronike's suggestion.

 

[Omis]

What roles does everyone think there are? I for one just assumed that there would be a cop but apparently not many others share that thought.

 

[Ronike]

No there prolly is a cop, however since godfathers almost always appear innocent, he is next to useless now.

 

[Omis]

No there prolly is a cop, however since godfathers almost always appear innocent, he is next to useless now.

So you believe that there is a godfather and that the godfather is me?

 

[Rockin]

This could also help us find out if there is a roleblocker. I do see what you mean about the cop maybe being killed though. Isnt it standard for there to be cop in a game of this size though? Besides your suspicion of me, what else is catching your interest Rockin.

Nah, nothing else at the moment

thus i suggest we continue as usual and take the route with "less" risk (number 2) and my vote stands with omis? for reasons previously suggested in addition to ronike's suggestion.

Just to let you know, you didn't officially vote for Omis yet. I checked the back pages and so far, only me and Ronike Voted. Matunas and Macman have also yet to vote.

So you believe that there is a godfather and that the godfather is me?

If the shoe fits

Honestly, you're only having a hard time because of the many bad choice of words within the past. They're starting to haunt you. At this point, it's really hard to prove your claim.

 

[Omis]

Nah, nothing else at the moment

For the sake of discussion, what roles do you think are in the game?

 

[MexicanBJ]

Just to let you know, you didn't officially vote for Omis yet. I checked the back pages and so far, only me and Ronike Voted. Matunas and Macman have also yet to vote.

ooops, didn't realize this

Vote: Omis?

 

[Omis]

Happy New Year!
I'll comment on things later when I;m less wasted.

 

[Matunas]

More insightful post than me being drunk tomorrow!, Omis? you are suspcious? HAPYYY NEW YEARS?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Can people post their opinions on why there was a no kill?
This thread is retartedly unactive...
also I think bandwagoning omis? for a shady reason is not really smart.

 

[Rockin]

Can people post their opinions on why there was a no kill?
This thread is retartedly unactive...
also I think bandwagoning omis? for a shady reason is not really smart.

Well, have several reasons as to why to suspect Omis. But I'm gonna agree with Matuna that the mafia was stopped...possibly by a role blocker. Can't see the mafia not killing willingly, you know?

Here are several things I found suspicious IMO.

- During the first day, Omis was at first...not too helpful in terms of input. Then his voice was more stronger as he put his share of information. When he was pressured by Marsh, he then tried to turn the heat to another angle. This is right at strat. There were reasons that he said that lead to believe that Strat was scum. He was right.

- Then there was the fact that he wanted to be put in a leadership position, along sharing it with Matunas (Keep in mind, he himself never spoke of this and soon said he wasn't intersted). Putting yourself in a leader position in this kind of game = trying to gain immunity. While this wasn't a big issue, it did leave a question to his motives

- Then he immediatly vote out jungle, which lead to the final vote. This was when Matunas made a huge post about his vision to junglefever, and in term needed time (at least a day or two) for it to fully read and to give time to respond. It was like he wanted to axe him out before giving the chance.

- After the lynch, Omis' reply to Ronike towards what he did was 'Sorry Ronike...that's just how I role.' This showed he had no regret off his actions

- even now, when we're attacking him, he tries to shift the attention to something different instead of making attempt to what he did/say in terms of the past.

It's like he's shouting 'I'm Mafia'

So yeah, this is why I at least find him suspicious.

 

[Omis]

Well, have several reasons as to why to suspect Omis. But I'm gonna agree with Matuna that the mafia was stopped...possibly by a role blocker. Can't see the mafia not killing willingly, you know?

Here are several things I found suspicious IMO.

- During the first day, Omis was at first...not too helpful in terms of input. Then his voice was more stronger as he put his share of information. When he was pressured by Marsh, he then tried to turn the heat to another angle. This is right at strat. There were reasons that he said that lead to believe that Strat was scum. He was right.

I brought up Strat because he implied that he was voting for me because he did not understand why I voted for Stratford. I then explained why I voted for him and in the process cleared my name and made Mafia Strat to be voted off. I did not take the subject off of myself. I defended myself from Marshy by explaining my vote.

- Then there was the fact that he wanted to be put in a leadership position, along sharing it with Matunas (Keep in mind, he himself never spoke of this and soon said he wasn't intersted). Putting yourself in a leader position in this kind of game = trying to gain immunity. While this wasn't a big issue, it did leave a question to his motives

Like I have explained, I did not think and still do not think, that having a leadership position gives someone immunity. I have learned to accept that people do not see this issue the same way that I do so I stop pressing it.

- Then he immediatly vote out jungle, which lead to the final vote. This was when Matunas made a huge post about his vision to junglefever, and in term needed time (at least a day or two) for it to fully read and to give time to respond. It was like he wanted to axe him out before giving the chance.

- After the lynch, Omis' reply to Ronike towards what he did was 'Sorry Ronike...that's just how I role.' This showed he had no regret off his actions

- even now, when we're attacking him, he tries to shift the attention to something different instead of making attempt to what he did/say in terms of the past.

I already explained why I did that in post #309. I was convinced he was it and decided to cast the final vote. When I ended up being wrong, I wanted to be decisive about my decision to so I wouldnt seem flip floppy.

It's like he's shouting 'I'm Mafia'

So yeah, this is why I at least find him suspicious.

While I have made so mistakes as you pointed out, I still do not see how I am still considered Mafia after the issue with Strat. I could have easily accused someone else just as easily. I dont see any reason why I would vote out what people think is my mafia mate so early.

 

[MexicanBJ]

um....i can think of a couple of reasons actually

1. he wasn't contributing and thus wasn't being a "good mafia" in the first place

2. it would drastically make you seem innocent since like you said, you could just say "I dont see any reason why I would vote out my mafia mate so early"

 

[Eor]

Can I come back now

 

[Omis]

Can I come back now

Lol, what?
10whats

 

[MexicanBJ]

yea huh????

hahaha im thinking no?

 

[Eor]

yea huh????

hahaha im thinking no?

 

[Rockin]

I don't think you can get back in, Eor. =/

But we should all get right back at hand. I like to hear what Matunas and Macman has to say about this in terms of Omis

 

[Omis]

I don't think you can get back in, Eor. =/

But we should all get right back at hand. I like to hear what Matunas and Macman has to say about this in terms of Omis

How do you feel about what I posted in responce to you.
Matunas has not been on since the last post he made in this thread.
Guys we need to have more activety. We are practicaly dead.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Can I come back now

stay away =[

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Anyways, I earlier on I thought omis? was suspicious back on day 2. But then jungle seemed like a more obvious choice, and it just didn't make any sense to me that if omis? was mafia that he would out his own partner in crime day1.

And I think everyone band wagoning omis? is suspicious because it seems like, they are trying to ignore yesterdays lack of a kill.

But than again one of them may be the roleblocker and did indeed block omis? and that is why they are so sure that he is mafia. Which kind of makes me want to vote omis? and trust them.

But then I do not see why the roleblocker would not just role claim. In my post a few days ago, I gave the reason why the roleblocker should role claim and they seem fool proof. Unless something really out of the ordinary happens.

This is basically just whats going through my head now and why I have not voted for omis? yet.

 

[Omis]

Anyways, I earlier on I thought omis? was suspicious back on day 2. But then jungle seemed like a more obvious choice, and it just didn't make any sense to me that if omis? was mafia that he would out his own partner in crime day1.

And I think everyone band wagoning omis? is suspicious because it seems like, they are trying to ignore yesterdays lack of a kill.

But than again one of them may be the roleblocker and did indeed block omis? and that is why they are so sure that he is mafia. Which kind of makes me want to vote omis? and trust them.

But then I do not see why the roleblocker would not just role claim. In my post a few days ago, I gave the reason why the roleblocker should role claim and they seem fool proof. Unless something really out of the ordinary happens.

This is basically just whats going through my head now and why I have not voted for omis? yet.

This is my biggest issue. I you want to vote me out that is your choice. But, let us reason about the lack of lynch yesterday. It is so important that I feel it is weird why everyone is avoiding it.

 

[Ronike]

Yes it is important, but unless the role blocker comes foward, we really have nothing we can do with it. There are only two reasons j can see for them not coming foward:
1. The mafia chose to not make a hit for whatever reason. Could be an extra ability or maybe they can't kill every day or something idk.
2. The roleblocker does not know they are the roleblocker. I've seen hidden abilities before.

3 (I know I said two, but I just thought of a new one). Someone has night kill immunity