Tom Nook for SSBB: Far from Deconfirmed.

[Fawriel]

@Grim:

"Every franchise with a symbol has a playable character." Going by this logic, the answer is yes, Animal Crossing will recieve a playable character. It is also backed up by the FACT that Dr. Wright doesn't have a SimCity symbol as SimCity isn't a franchise with a playable character.

*sigh*

You're missing one crucial point:
If Dr. Wright had a symbol, WHERE would it be shown?

Characters have symbols the represent their franchise when selected as well as in-game.
Stages have symbols that show which franchise they are associated with when selected.

Items do not have symbols. Where would they be shown? The only place you can select items are in the menu where you turn them on or off, where they are shown in a table... they do not need symbols.

Goroh got the F-Zero symbol because there WILL be a character and stage he's associated with, so they might as well show the symbol.
Dr. Wright gets no symbol because there's no need for one anywhere in the game considering that there will quite probably be no playable character from his franchise, nor a stage.

The Animal Crossing stage got a symbol because stages need symbols.
A playable character is neither confirmed nor unconfirmed.

 

[GenG]

Tom Nook hasn't been ruled out... not YET. Who the hell is riding the Blue Falcon when Falcon is fighting in Big Blue? Did appearing in the arwings ruled out Falco? The wolfen in Lylat Cruise rule out Wolf? They could just remove Tom Nook from the background when he isn't being played, the Naruto GNT games for GC did it all the time. It could've be done and I think Sakurai did this to tease us: If Tom Nook wasn't standing there that could pretty much confirm him as a character and Sakurai isn't the most straightforward game creator I know...

 

[jimmysilverrims]

I'm not going to get into this argument, I'm just going to say that Smashville puts Mr. Nooks chances of getting in on a pretty high level.

 

[HeroOfTime64]

Untrue, good sir! Tom Nook's game does not a fighting franchise make! What would a taunook who sells you goods do when, lets say, Solid Snake is coming at him, rocket launcher in hand?

I'm guessing that throwing a lawn chair in his direction isn't the most... er... coolest ways of fighting in Nintendo's fighting frenzy.

P.S. I've played AC. It was cool when I was playing the game to earn money, but when I got that gold trophy of me... *Meh*.

 

[Ferro De Lupe]

A playable character is neither confirmed nor unconfirmed.

And THAT is what I'm pointing out. All these people who claim "Tom Nook is in the background! He's not going to be playable!" are ignorant.

Just because he's in the background, does NOT reduce a character's chances of appearing. If anything, it RAISES them.

I know very little about coding, but I do know that removing Nook from the background when he's played is a simple "If Then" situation.

"IF [Character X] is not one of the four characters fighting, THEN [Character X] is in the background.

If [Character X] is one of the four characters fighting, THEN [Character Y] takes his place."

Translate that into computer language and the problem is solved. No one seems to understand it, or, worse, refuses to accept it. Tom Nook is not "unconfirmed" by this stage anymore than Mr. Game and Watch was "unconfirmed" by the Flat Zone.

 

[Card]

The Animal Crossing stage got a symbol because stages need symbols.
A playable character is neither confirmed nor unconfirmed.

Quoted for truth.

Continuing with Ferro de Lupe's thought, which I agree with, he seems to be on the right track with all of this.

The Raccoon Leaf Symbol could be allocated solely with the Animal Crossing stage. Every stage needs its own symbol, and Every character needs its own symbol. Showing a symbol of a stage, does not automatically mean that there is a character attached to it (Although it does raise the chances significantly).

One thing I would like to mention as well that I do not believe anyone else has focused on; The Raccoon Leaf symbol, in my opinion, is literally the symbol of Tom Nook.

Let's not confuse that with the symbol of Animal Crossing. The Raccoon Leaf is a large part of who Tom Nook is. the name Tom Nook is derived from the japanese word Tanuki, which means raccoon dog in japanese. Tanuki has been an avid part of Japanese folklore since ancient times. Leaves have been a huge part of this folklore (among many other things). Some examples I have found on the internet are;

• Tanuki are said to cheat merchants with leaves they have magically disguised as paper money.
• Raccoon Suit Mario in Mario Bros 3 is done by grabbing a Leaf.
• Pocky & Rocky on the SNES, Rocky is a Raccoon/Tanuki character who throws leaves as weapons.
• Ragnarok Online for PC has the raccoon monster called Smokie, its neutral animation involves it shape shifting into a leaf and back.

And the most important of all these, is how Tom Nook Shapeshifts Furniture into Leaves for easier transportation for the player.

The Leaf is a direct representation and analogy towards Tom Nook in the Animal Crossing series.

To me, a more suitable icon to represent the entire Animal Crossing franchise would be perhaps a Sign, a Home, a Train, a Clock even. But when I see that Leaf, I immediately associate it with Tom Nook. (It is the Icon found on his Apron after all....). Going along this though, it's safe to assume that IF there is an Animal Crossing playable character, it would be Tom Nook. The only other characters I could see as playable would be Mr. Resetti, (As K.K Slider is now part of the level)

 

[Jigglymaster]

Yeah but if you didn't notice Tom Nook is in the backround of the stage.

Look to the left, its clearly Tom Nook

You know what this means, if there is the same character in the backround, I don't think he would be fighting up infront too. So no Tom Nook. As well with the human, they are in the backround as well. My best bet is that they will become Assist Trophies at the most.

BTW I like the setup of this stage, it has a nice backround, looks playable for Tournaments, and get something different every match!

 

[Black/Light]

. . . .Meh, this is like saying Shyguy can still be playable :/ .

Yeah, Nooks in the game. . . . in the back ground as a NPC.

 

[Fawriel]

Congratulations. NOW I think chances are good for Nook. =O

 

[HeroOfTime64]

Chances are TERRIBLE for Nook! Sure the leaf symbol in the background, but I think that Smashville would be made to tell fans of AC who want Tom and Friends in Brawl "You don't need them as playable characters, you have a whole entire stage based only on AC!"

 

[Caael]

Agree with Fawriel.

 

[Meta_Owns_Ur_Dad]

Every stage in melee has a representative from that series... Same with the first smash. There will be a AC character... even though i dont want one...

 

[the grim lizard]

I hear all that, and it's good and interesting but...yeah, he is right there in the background.

Also, leaves are what you used for furniture, and they appeared as leaves in your inventory...

 

[Fawriel]

Every stage in melee has a representative from that series... Same with the first smash. There will be a AC character... even though i dont want one...

That does not prove anything. Remember, this is a new game. We also didn't have ATs before, and there were no special battle modes before Melee, and there was only one Single Player mode BEFORE MELEE... Think outside the box, goddammit.

Also, leaves are what you used for furniture, and they appeared as leaves in your inventory...

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Nookies chances are back to 50/50 for me. Wow.

Haha, that's what happens when I argue about a game I never played before.

 

[lanky_gunner]

i think just the stage can be a good rep for the franchise. i don't think a fighter is required. plus i'm a little skeptical with the characters in the background.

i really don't want an Animal Crossing fighter in smash. i don't think they could fit. i think a stage all about animal crossing is cool, but as a fighter, it wouldn't work

 

[NukeA6]

The Animal Crossing symbol is clearly shown. That means the game will have a playable character. Tom Nook is in the stage so he's unconfirmed. But Mr. Resetti is nowhere to be found. What does that mean? CONFIRMED!!!!

 

[Lemon Drop]

The Animal Crossing symbol is clearly shown. That means the game will have a playable character. Tom Nook is in the stage so he's unconfirmed. But Mr. Resetti is nowhere to be found. What does that mean? CONFIRMED!!!!

They could remove him from the Background if he is played.

 

[NukeA6]

They could remove him from the Background if he is played.

They can but I doubt it.

 

[Jigglymaster]

The Animal Crossing symbol is clearly shown. That means the game will have a playable character. Tom Nook is in the stage so he's unconfirmed. But Mr. Resetti is nowhere to be found. What does that mean? CONFIRMED!!!!

God Dammit, didn't you hear what the other guy said?

Every stage in melee has a representative from that series... Same with the first smash. There will be a AC character... even though i dont want one...

Then this guy replied

That does not prove anything. Remember, this is a new game. We also didn't have ATs before, and there were no special battle modes before Melee, and there was only one Single Player mode BEFORE MELEE... Think outside the box, goddammit.

So NukeA6 think out side the BOX GOD DAMMIT! Just because there is a stage dosn't mean that there is a character, and I'd bet you that sometime during the stage Mr.Resetti appears. But you can't say comfirmed and I can't say uncomfirmed until Nintendo makes the desicion.

 

[Pomfrod]

Okay, I'm in this now. Thank you to Ferro and Chibi for pulling this discussion out of the dregs. I'll be forward, I've been hoping for Nook since the beginning. Even with him in the background, this looks good for Nook. My question, especially directed at Chibi, is the source for this particular incarnation of Nook. I've only played WildWorld, so my knowledge of the GC version is limited.

Why would they use this model instead of the better-known blue apron?

Now, I don't necessarily agree with the fact that the leaf as the symbol is an indicator of Nook's inclusion, and that the symbol would have been different if Nook were not likely. It seems that we've switched the causes here. I would rather say, "Because leaves are so central to Tanuki folklore, they became Tom Nook's symbol." Then it follows that, "Because Tom Nook is so central to Animal Crossing, his symbol and Animal Crossing's symbol are the same."

It didn't hit me until today, but perhaps the game is satirical, intended as an indictment of modern Japan or something. The mayor is old, and does nothing except announce holidays. The real leader of the town is Tom Nook. Economics controls politics.

 

[MechanizedDeviousFox]

Who didn't see this thread getting jump started? /sarcasm

But really, I don't care too much if AC is represented by a character or not, seeing as I've never played the series, though I wanted to, but I like the look of the new stage, a nice way to end a otherwise bland week.

 

[EggBomb]

I agree with both sides. The presence of the stage and symbol does bode well for the inclusion of an AC character, Tom Nook being the obvious one. However, seeing him in the background does throw me off a bit. Perhaps it will turn out Nook will in the game and he will either not appear on the stage when played (notice how the characters in the background CHANGE...if they can program that then they can program Nook not being a spectator) or there will be a repeat (like the Fox & Falco mention) of the character in the stage itself. As mentioned before the Tom Nook in the Background doesn't have the same apron as the icon...leading me to believe that it is possible for 2 of the same characters represented differently can appear at the same time (Dr. Mario & Mario / Link & Young Link) being examples.

Tom Nook is the most likely canidate I can imagine from AC. He would provide a very unique moveset and has been an often referenced character in the Nintendo universe (the Tanuki suit based on his legend and perhaps led to his creation and later the Racoon like salesman in Super Mario Sunshine)

 

[DGK all day]

In the stage Dreamland 64 you can see Kirby flying in the backround but Kirby was still playable.

 

[saud]

that's Bronto you saw flying (the pink circle thing with wings)

 

[SpitFire15]

Tom Nook is definately not going to be playable now....

 

[Jopaan]

Tom Nook is definately not going to be playable now....

We don't know that. Sakurai is very unpredictable. I personally think that if Animal crossing is to get a playable character for Brawl, then Tom Nook will be that character.

 

[NukeA6]

So NukeA6 think out side the BOX GOD DAMMIT! .

ROFLMAO

Oh I feel insulted right now.

 

[Chibirobo]

Even though Tom Nook is in the stage,they doesn't mean he can't be removed when he's fighting. It doesn't matter to make whether he makes or not,but I wouldn't mind it.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

As a die-hard Nook supporter, I have no strong feelings either way for being confirmed as a character or NPC from the stage.

His chances are still 50/50, as we do not know what Sakurai is thinking.

 

[Pomfrod]

Unless my personal experience is horribly skewed, there was a better chance of the Fire Emblem song playing in Temple if you were using Marth/Roy. So there's a precedent for a stage changing to accomodate the characters in play.

 

[7-up]

Even though I really want Nook to be in brawl, my hopes for him bieng playable has now dropped to 0. I think that one screen shot is the deciding factor proving he's not going to be playable.
All of this he can be removed from the background when bieng played stuff is just thinking into it to much. He is in the background for a reason and that is beacause he is not going to be a playable character.

 

[Jopaan]

If it's not illogical to have more than one mario in the same game, or to have four Links on the stage at the same time, then they wouldn't even need to remove a character from the background in the event that said character is confirmed in the playable roster.

 

[burrito]

I haven't really seen someone offer a decent argument as to why Tom Nook shouldn't be a playable character in Smash Bros., even though so many seem to be bitterly against him. Well, besides him already being in the background of the Animal Crossing stage, but that can be disregarded. The most common argument is: Tom Nook doesn't fight in his games, so he can't be put into Brawl. Since when has Smash Bros. been about making characters, who can already fight, fight each other? It has always just been about making Nintendo Icons fight each other.

Okay, so when considering a character, I believe there are three aspects that come into play when picking a new character, popularity, importance, and unique-ness. Let's put Tom Nook through the test.

Popularity- Animal Crossing is a popular franchise and Tom Nook is the most well known character within the series.
Importance- Animal Crossing is one of the newer Nintendo franchises making it important to be represented in Brawl. Plus, it is a franchise that will continue to be an important part of Nintendo. Tom Nook is the most important character within the series.
Unique-ness- Tom Nook is an extremely unique character. He has access to a wide array of items to use in battle and will offer an interesting style in the game.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Tom Nook will be in Brawl. I'm just tire of arrogant people saying, "Tom Nook is dumb" and "Tom Nook will never be a playable character in Brawl" etc.

 

[Salaad]

I haven't really seen someone offer a decent argument as to why Tom Nook shouldn't be a playable character in Smash Bros., even though so many seem to be bitterly against him. Well, besides him already being in the background of the Animal Crossing stage, but that can be disregarded. The most common argument is: Tom Nook doesn't fight in his games, so he can't be put into Brawl. Since when has Smash Bros. been about making characters, who can already fight, fight each other? It has always just been about making Nintendo Icons fight each other.

Okay, so when considering a character, I believe there are three aspects that come into play when picking a new character, popularity, importance, and unique-ness. Let's put Tom Nook through the test.

Popularity- Animal Crossing is a popular franchise and Tom Nook is the most well known character within the series.
Importance- Animal Crossing is one of the newer Nintendo franchises making it important to be represented in Brawl. Plus, it is a franchise that will continue to be an important part of Nintendo. Tom Nook is the most important character within the series.
Unique-ness- Tom Nook is an extremely unique character. He has access to a wide array of items to use in battle and will offer an interesting style in the game.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Tom Nook will be in Brawl. I'm just tire of arrogant people saying, "Tom Nook is dumb" and "Tom Nook will never be a playable character in Brawl" etc.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[Masque]

It didn't hit me until today, but perhaps the game is satirical, intended as an indictment of modern Japan or something. The mayor is old, and does nothing except announce holidays. The real leader of the town is Tom Nook. Economics controls politics.

I love your brain. That's the same kind of stuff that I look for, and while I didn't pick up on it in AC, I still think it's awesome that someone did. Kudos to you for being awesome!

I'm still surprised that people are so skeptical. Am I in the minority by thinking that Nook is almost guaranteed at this point? Chibi's arguments were wonderful (hi Chibs!), and I think we should all reread them. Kero brought up similar points in another thread. Should Nook make it in, I'm definitely posting "I told you so".

 

[SpitFire15]

We don't know that. Sakurai is very unpredictable. I personally think that if Animal crossing is to get a playable character for Brawl, then Tom Nook will be that character.

He is IN the background for crying out loud.

 

[Reno>]

Your in denial if you think Tom Nook will make it.

 

[Darkfur]

This was said in another thread. It was in the General Brawl Discussion and wasn't by me.

Whose to say whether or not he'll appear all the time? What if when you choose him as a character he doesn't appear in the background. And when Noone chooses him as a fighter, he does.

@Reno Denial if we think he'll make it? <_< I think you should look up the meaning of the word denial. Thinking he'll make it is not DENYING anything. <_< That's being hopeful. Now, refusing to believe someone like Snake is in it, even though we KNOW he is, is Denial.

 

[Shuma]

I don't know who the hell is Tom Nook, nor do i know anything about Animal Crossing, but i do belive he could appear in the Stage only when he is not chossen... i guess.

 

[Icetrash]

Well as much as I'd like to see Tom Nook in SSBB as a playable character I'm afraid that yesterdays update did lower his changes in half. But on the upside of things it has got a new logo, that may be a positive.

And in any Melee stage does a series get represented without a character from that series been playable?