Token Power Mafia 1.2 | Game Over - Town Win

[Xivii]

To clarify, I had thought the same thing Ex brought up when I read UP's post and considered it a possibility. Ex also seeing it that way is a point in his favor. I still think my read is correct, however.

 

[osieorb18]

Votecount 1.3​

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ExLight (2) - Xivii, UtopianPoyzin
Raxxel (1) - LogicoftheVI
UtopianPoyzin (1) - ExLight
Xivii (1) - Raxxel

Not voting: Jackrito, Z25

 

[ExLight]

Is today the last day?

 

[ExLight]

Day 1 Lynch Deadline will be 2300 PST on Monday, March 23rd.

nvm

hey Jack, Z25 would you mind placing a vote somewhere, just so we get something to work with later on?
LogicoftheVI are you gonna sit on your RVS all phase or

 

[Jackrito]

Sure
vote: Utopianpoyzin

Seems like the person I have noticed the most with scum intent so a decent place to go.

Once I finish work today I will do this properly.

 

[LogicoftheVI]

@ everyone sorry for my lack of acticity.
In spending time with my family i completely forgot about this game.

unvote:

How long until phase change?
With onlyn5 pages I might be able to catch up but could someone give me the long and short of what I have missed here?

 

[LogicoftheVI]

I don't know if scum would role fish that openly, but I have no idea why a town does it either. Also since it got mentioned don't expect me to look towny, I prefer playing scum, so my posting style comes off as more scummy a lot of the time. Every time I play in a new community they say this lol. Logic can confirm this to a degree. Self meta by itself is worthless after all.

Jack is definitely a player that is hard to solve.
He has a very good scum game and people on our home site respect and fear it.
I have seen both recently and can honestly say there isnt much difference in his meta.
I am always keeping an eye on this slot.

 

[LogicoftheVI]

Hey, I thought I was scum

I'm the mafia bread baker and don't you forget it

these types of posts always give me fits.
Many times these posts come from town but I have seen and I am always fearful of truth in plain sight.

 

[LogicoftheVI]

Damn a readlist and towncore talk on page two that is new.

I used to come with some pretty early realists in my hay day.
I'm not so sure what they were based on to this point as I am kind of lost in all the early rolefiahing and claiming.
The behavior is foreign and something that will take some time thinking about.

 

[ExLight]

Jack is definitely a player that is hard to solve.
He has a very good scum game and people on our home site respect and fear it.
I have seen both recently and can honestly say there isnt much difference in his meta.
I am always keeping an eye on this slot.

You can see me saying I'm scummy in general is a scum tell all you want. It is more just me being honest about things. Also I see no need to appear town early game because early game is the most unproductive part of the game the time of the memes which I have no time for. Scum read me for that I don't care I'm used to it.

do you think this defeatistish posture is something you'd expect from scum jack in a small setup?

 

[Jackrito]

do you think this defeatistish posture is something you'd expect from scum jack in a small setup?

lol That is not being defeatist, that is me not caring what others think of me so early, it takes a lot for me to be defeatist, well it used to in my prime. I'm interested why you see it that way.

 

[ExLight]

lol That is not being defeatist, that is me not caring what others think of me so early, it takes a lot for me to be defeatist, well it used to in my prime. I'm interested why you see it that way.

idk saying "you can scumread me idc" kinda sounds the same as "I don't care if I get lynched today"

it gives mixed signals, and I wanted his opinion on it since he knows your playstyle better than us

I actually have an idea of what your alignment might be based on that+your self meta, so if he says something that kinda clashes with that we may have another point to poke

 

[Jackrito]

idk saying "you can scumread me idc" kinda sounds the same as "I don't care if I get lynched today"

it gives mixed signals, and I wanted his opinion on it since he knows your playstyle better than us

I actually have an idea of what your alignment might be based on that+your self meta, so if he says something that kinda clashes with that we may have another point to poke

Ok I can see how you saw it that way, that is more me saying Idc what people think so early because I'm confident I can turn it around.

 

[Xivii]

Town
Xivii
Z25
UtopianPoyzin
Jackrito

Raxxel

LogicoftheVI
ExLight
Scum

Lynching from bottom to top should be a town win.

 

[Jackrito]

I'm not lynching Exlight today, I have far more issues with UP and Xivii they are too buddy buddy and seem to agree on everything. I just finished my reread and note takeing and noticed it a lot.

I also want to say UP wanting a motivator to claim is a terrible idea for another reason which I feel people have forgotten. In this setup scum have an adv when it comes to claiming that is they are 8 roles in this game and 7 of us. If this is like the last game scum get the missing role as a fake claim so that ruins the mass claim idea early. Another issue is that scum know 3 of the 8 roles since 3 belong to them. one being fake so they just need to find the other 5 if the motivator claims that makes them a easy kill yes but it also means scum know 4 of the 8 now and have a better chance of hitting the role that they are looking for with their nk. This bothers me because Xivii is the one who first brought up claiming when they is no positive to it, I feel this got lost in the mess that UP created so most think UP started it I did before reread. The joking around with claiming that both did as well could be seen as a attempt to bait out a claim.

 

[Jackrito]

Logic is too null for me atm but feels like his town self to a small degree.

I think Exlight annoyance is real and I don't blame them with all the baiting off Xivii this game, I also like their approuch to me and I feel like they are trying to actually solve the game their approuch to me is perhaps a pocket attempt but feels real

Raxx is ok I mind meld with their view on Xivii and Up but for different reasons. I would like to see more from their slot because being a bit lacking but their case on Xivii is enough for a town read

if I'm wrong on UP Z25 is the other scum he has done nothing unless asked, their answers are far too neutral and show commitment or real stance. They only really do something when asked but yet are still town read by Xivii. His view on Xivii fake claims sounds a bit fake annoyed as well compared to exlight. This happened in 128 which is a great example of how neu he is and non committal. Only real thing they did was a push on UP in 129 but even that felt lacking.

 

[Jackrito]

vote: Xivii

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I also want to say UP wanting a motivator to claim is a terrible idea for another reason which I feel people have forgotten. In this setup scum have an adv when it comes to claiming that is they are 8 roles in this game and 7 of us. If this is like the last game scum get the missing role as a fake claim so that ruins the mass claim idea early. Another issue is that scum know 3 of the 8 roles since 3 belong to them. one being fake so they just need to find the other 5 if the motivator claims that makes them a easy kill yes but it also means scum know 4 of the 8 now and have a better chance of hitting the role that they are looking for with their nk. This bothers me because Xivii is the one who first brought up claiming when they is no positive to it, I feel this got lost in the mess that UP created so most think UP started it I did before reread. The joking around with claiming that both did as well could be seen as a attempt to bait out a claim.

There’s pros and cons for every decision.

And you’re really going to vote over mafia philosophy and claim talk that hasn’t even come to fruition?

I’m only spitballing, I don’t see I problem because I know my alignment.

 

[Jackrito]

There’s pros and cons for every decision.

And you’re really going to vote over mafia philosophy and claim talk that hasn’t even come to fruition?

I’m only spitballing, I don’t see I problem because I know my alignment.

This is not normal mafia philosophy these are facts a massclaim in this setup has too much gain for scum for reasons I gave. Just because it never happened does not mean I'm going to ignore it as well. This setup is as anti mass claim as possible.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Seems like the person I have noticed the most with scum intent so a decent place to go.

Yay, an accusation on me from my null-scum read!

I have scum intent you say? I’d love it if you could quote me a post that shows my scum intent.

these types of posts always give me fits.
Many times these posts come from town but I have seen and I am always fearful of truth in plain sight.

I’m neither mafia nor the bread baker. Don’t think too hard about it.

I actually have an idea of what your alignment might be based on that+your self meta, so if he says something that kinda clashes with that we may have another point to poke

Am I “he”? Looks like I’m being villainized...

 

[LogicoftheVI]

do you think this defeatistish posture is something you'd expect from scum jack in a small setup?

Yes it could.
Honestly it can come from either alignment with him tho.
He tends to be fairly self aware which usual draws some attention his way.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I also want to say UP wanting a motivator to claim is a terrible idea for another reason which I feel people have forgotten. In this setup scum have an adv when it comes to claiming that is they are 8 roles in this game and 7 of us. If this is like the last game scum get the missing role as a fake claim so that ruins the mass claim idea early. Another issue is that scum know 3 of the 8 roles since 3 belong to them. one being fake so they just need to find the other 5 if the motivator claims that makes them a easy kill yes but it also means scum know 4 of the 8 now and have a better chance of hitting the role that they are looking for with their nk. This bothers me because Xivii is the one who first brought up claiming when they is no positive to it, I feel this got lost in the mess that UP created so most think UP started it I did before reread. The joking around with claiming that both did as well could be seen as a attempt to bait out a claim.

This is not normal mafia philosophy these are facts a massclaim in this setup has too much gain for scum for reasons I gave. Just because it never happened does not mean I'm going to ignore it as well. This setup is as anti mass claim as possible.

If you say so...

With my role, I do think a confirmed Motivator can be helpful without having to disclose all the other roles.

But I’m feeling some LAMIST vibes with your rebuttal.

 

[LogicoftheVI]

Pros/Cons of mass claiming? I'll leave that to the mechanically inclined. I'm initially for it I think.

Mass claiming won't help much since scum can just claim the town version of their role. All it does is let scum know which of us need to die first. Only pro would be we can possibly plan around role usage but the cons out weight it by a lot.

I have to agree with Jack here.
Mass claim this early in the game only serves to help the mafia plan who to push and their NK.
The gain for town with an unused role and no way to verify information is pretty non-existent.

 

[ExLight]

Am I “he”? Looks like I’m being villainized...

you really like making yourself the center of attentions don't you
why would I be referring to you if I was talking about Logic's metaread of Jack's post

 

[Z25]

Logic is too null for me atm but feels like his town self to a small degree.

I think Exlight annoyance is real and I don't blame them with all the baiting off Xivii this game, I also like their approuch to me and I feel like they are trying to actually solve the game their approuch to me is perhaps a pocket attempt but feels real

Raxx is ok I mind meld with their view on Xivii and Up but for different reasons. I would like to see more from their slot because being a bit lacking but their case on Xivii is enough for a town read

if I'm wrong on UP Z25 is the other scum he has done nothing unless asked, their answers are far too neutral and show commitment or real stance. They only really do something when asked but yet are still town read by Xivii. His view on Xivii fake claims sounds a bit fake annoyed as well compared to exlight. This happened in 128 which is a great example of how neu he is and non committal. Only real thing they did was a push on UP in 129 but even that felt lacking.

I can assure you I wasn’t fake annoyed with Zen.

Read the Sorcerer 11s mafia if you don’t believe me. I was scum and he baited me hard with a fake cop check and I was sort of stupid and bought into it.

So yeah I really don’t like those plays he’s been busting out. But again, he was town when he did it so I can’t say that’s a scum tell.

I also find it hard to believe scum Zen would risk that because it could backfire big time

 

[Z25]

I can assure you I wasn’t fake annoyed with Zen.

Read the Sorcerer 11s mafia if you don’t believe me. I was scum and he baited me hard with a fake cop check and I was sort of stupid and bought into it.

So yeah I really don’t like those plays he’s been busting out. But again, he was town when he did it so I can’t say that’s a scum tell.

I also find it hard to believe scum Zen would risk that because it could backfire big time

In addition to this, I don’t get how you can say I’ve only contributed when asked. I’ve been offering feedback on things when I had a actual opinion of them without always being asked. I e always being trying to interact with a few people to get a feel for their slots. Which I actually feel good on several slots right now because of that.

 

[Z25]

Also I looked back at the thread, I’m going Ex today. They may be playing differently because of no funnier this time, but that behavior is leaning more towards scummy vibes imo then what someone would normally react with. They had a lot of content when I played with them last so I got a good feel for them as a player. Their actions really have stuck out this time. Might be a upset townie but I think it’s a good lynch choice today compared to other players currently.

 

[Z25]

Also I looked back at the thread, I’m going Ex today. They may be playing differently because of no funnier this time, but that behavior is leaning more towards scummy vibes imo then what someone would normally react with. They had a lot of content when I played with them last so I got a good feel for them as a player. Their actions really have stuck out this time. Might be a upset townie but I think it’s a good lynch choice today compared to other players currently.

Posted too soon:

Vote EX

 

[Jackrito]

Also I looked back at the thread, I’m going Ex today. They may be playing differently because of no funnier this time, but that behavior is leaning more towards scummy vibes imo then what someone would normally react with. They had a lot of content when I played with them last so I got a good feel for them as a player. Their actions really have stuck out this time. Might be a upset townie but I think it’s a good lynch choice today compared to other players currently.

I need you to expand on this I cant much from scum vibes and their actions stuck out that is far too vague of an accusation. what actions bother you and what makes them so different.

I'm not fully sold on my reads from eariler since this is a new site and culture so I need expansion on views rather they just giving me old game ref. From a outside view I don't blame them for being annoyed when being non stop tunneled the whole game it would drive me nuts as well. Espically when reasons are vague.

 

[ExLight]

Also I looked back at the thread, I’m going Ex today. They may be playing differently because of no funnier this time, but that behavior is leaning more towards scummy vibes imo then what someone would normally react with. They had a lot of content when I played with them last so I got a good feel for them as a player. Their actions really have stuck out this time. Might be a upset townie but I think it’s a good lynch choice today compared to other players currently.

me being annoyed at baseless tunneling is scummier than Poy suggesting massclaims and Xivii tunneling, lurking, and fake claiming power roles recklessly?

excuse me?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

you really like making yourself the center of attentions don't you
why would I be referring to you if I was talking about Logic's metaread of Jack's post

Whoopsie I think I was looking at the wrong thing

 

[Z25]

me being annoyed at baseless tunneling is scummier than Poy suggesting massclaims and Xivii tunneling, lurking, and fake claiming power roles recklessly?

excuse me?

Oh he’s a slot that really needs to be looked at.

But he also plays very bizarre to begin with at times. Like really campaigning for my lynch when I was scum in Sorcerers 11 and he was the teams sorcerer( a role where he knew we were scum and had to help us but we didn’t know him). So I don’t want to push a slot that doesn’t always play logically as town day one.

Like do you really think scum Utopian would make it that obvious? It’s possible sure, but u likely. He can be role blocked tonight assuming the roleblocker as mentioned by Ossie is town aligned. Otherwise we can read into him more tomorrow.

Your reaction reads more like I wanted to react when Zen did this last game to me, so that pings more for me right now then anything else.

 

[Z25]

me being annoyed at baseless tunneling is scummier than Poy suggesting massclaims and Xivii tunneling, lurking, and fake claiming power roles recklessly?

excuse me?

Also forgot to comment on Zen here.

But I already did anyway. He was a cop and made up fake checks that actually helped town win a game. So I can’t say that’s sucmmier when he actually used a bold strat in a relative smart way last time. I don’t support it because it can blow up easily, but if it works it can actually be a big benefit to town

 

[Jackrito]

Oh he’s a slot that really needs to be looked at.

But he also plays very bizarre to begin with at times. Like really campaigning for my lynch when I was scum in Sorcerers 11 and he was the teams sorcerer( a role where he knew we were scum and had to help us but we didn’t know him). So I don’t want to push a slot that doesn’t always play logically as town day one.

Like do you really think scum Utopian would make it that obvious? It’s possible sure, but u likely. He can be role blocked tonight assuming the roleblocker as mentioned by Ossie is town aligned. Otherwise we can read into him more tomorrow.

Your reaction reads more like I wanted to react when Zen did this last game to me, so that pings more for me right now then anything else.

You do know Rb cant be town right

 

[Jackrito]

I have no idea if that is an attempt at a derp clear or what there.

 

[Xivii]

Some blueberry pancakes sound good.

 

[Z25]

I need you to expand on this I cant much from scum vibes and their actions stuck out that is far too vague of an accusation. what actions bother you and what makes them so different.

I'm not fully sold on my reads from eariler since this is a new site and culture so I need expansion on views rather they just giving me old game ref. From a outside view I don't blame them for being annoyed when being non stop tunneled the whole game it would drive me nuts as well. Espically when reasons are vague.

And to expand on this:
https://smashboards.com/threads/sorcerers-11-open.496864/

Read pages 3, 8 and 11. You can see Ex has a very joking personality there, despite there having been two votes on them and suspected of scum day 1. I even went as far that game as to forge a pm with them just to see if the town would buy it( as I was exposed scum), and they reacted pretty tamely. Obviously my word meant a lot less the , but someone could easily have over reacted.
Regardless,

Their tone started similarly here, however they slowly got angrier with Zen over his actions. Meanwhile I don’t recall seeing a bad reaction from them when he did this last game as opposed to how they reacted this one. Almost feels as if they think Zen may risk their role being known like he did to me that game.

 

[Xivii]

Jack if you hammer Ex, all of us on the wagon will be clear. Then it's just a matter of using our abilities to weed out Logic/Raxxel tonight.

 

[Z25]

You do know Rb cant be town right

Is there a post I missed In this thread? Because I looked earlier when weighing who I would put my vote in for more, and didn’t see a claim that said it was only one alignment not either.

As I said though, doesn’t matter as much. If Utopian is scum, we would still have a night kill regardless of who we lynch first. So Utopian could still be looked at tomorrow as well, was my main point there

 

[Xivii]

Is there a post I missed In this thread? Because I looked earlier when weighing who I would put my vote in for more, and didn’t see a claim that said it was only one alignment not either.

As I said though, doesn’t matter as much. If Utopian is scum, we would still have a night kill regardless of who we lynch first. So Utopian could still be looked at tomorrow as well, was my main point there

From the OP:

• Motivator(Town)/Roleblocker(Mafia)
• Bulletproof(Town)/Ninja(Mafia)
• Doctor(Town)/Redirector(Mafia)
• Tracker(Town)/Strongman(Mafia)
• Watcher(Town)/Item Thief(Mafia)
• Commuterizer
• Messenger
• Bread Baker