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Would be a grand Idea.
But SaKKKurai prefers Japan only games for Smash.
But SaKKKurai prefers Japan only games for Smash.
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Good point about bayonetta that game is crazy gory! An mk2 character model be hilarious looking!True there, though I still think they'd have to go with someone a little easier first, like from Microsoft or Ubi Soft. Warner Bros. is the Mt. Everest of game-related companies, and that's before they can get to Netherrealm.
Yeah, though the difference is modern MK games absolutely revel in hyperdetailed kills. It's not the amount of death that matters, but how it's depicted.
Granted, the Bayonetta series isn't clean itself either. I think bringing in one of the iconic locales would be fine though, seeing how Dracula's Castle got in just fine, monsters and all.
And having Johnny Cage as an AT would be the most hilarious thing, it'd be the best way to get away with his famous Split Punch.
A potential counterargument that could be made here is that, while there are very gory kills in Bayo's games (notably the Torture Attacks), they're not actually brought over in Smash.Yeah, though the difference is modern MK games absolutely revel in hyperdetailed kills. It's not the amount of death that matters, but how it's depicted.
Granted, the Bayonetta series isn't clean itself either. I think bringing in one of the iconic locales would be fine though, seeing how Dracula's Castle got in just fine, monsters and all.
And having Johnny Cage as an AT would be the most hilarious thing, it'd be the best way to get away with his famous Split Punch.
Well of course, no denying that. I remember how they even censored Joker's fatality in MKvDC because it was apparently TOO violent for the rating.And MK characters actually translate into other fighting games perfectly. Don't let MK vs DC fool you in that aspect, because they really transitionned well in Injustice.
Apart from Dorf, Bowser casually bites people, even Peach.Another thing added to later Mortal Kombat games is how forceful each blow is. They look like they hurt severely, and aren't for the weak of heart. This easily exists in Smash. If Ganondorf didn't prove it, Ridley did.
The biggest barrier is MK not having a presence in Japan. Scorpion is pretty iconic, though, as many know who he is, especially non-gamers. His iconic phrase is a key factor in that too. He's also among the various Halloween costumes you'll find(Sub-Zero sometimes is too, but not as often). Also, isn't MK11 supposed to finally hit Japan again?
And that's not mentionning the fact that both Ridley and Corrin have moves that visibly impale opponents.Another thing added to later Mortal Kombat games is how forceful each blow is. They look like they hurt severely, and aren't for the weak of heart. This easily exists in Smash. If Ganondorf didn't prove it, Ridley did.
Not like it needs the blood. Look at the Hookshot. Nuff said.And that's not mentionning the fact that both Ridley and Corrin have moves that visibly impale opponents.
So his iconic spear isn't exactly out of place either.
It being popular out of Japan can really help though. Especially since Japan is only a minority of the Smash audience.Not like it needs the blood. Look at the Hookshot. Nuff said.
I was only ever worried about too much brute force, but Smash proved that wrong. It being extremely unpopular in Japan does hurt his chances, though.
Generally, Sakurai wants worldwide appeal. Nintendo also wants as much sales as possible. Business-wise, Scorpion doesn't like a good idea. Though I could see him in just because of MK11 being on the Switch is a larger incentive to say yes. Not the main reason, but the "last piece".It being popular out of Japan can really help though. Especially since Japan is only a minority of the Smash audience.
Very true. Outside of Japan, Mortal Kombat and Scorpion are household names to anyone who either played a video games or lived through the 90's. The series wasn't some niche cult classic, it was a cultural phenomenon that left a lasting impact on gaming as a whole. It's one of those games that made such a mark that even people who didn't play games could easily tell you what it was and even name a few characters, Scorpion included.It being popular out of Japan can really help though. Especially since Japan is only a minority of the Smash audience.
Besides, even Sak acknowledges there's only so many JP devs with globally-known series remaining regardless whether the wells of the ones already onboard are dried up or not. Deaths of lesser-known companies like Data East and Irem didn't help.No. I'm not buying it.
Sakurai finds it easier to work with Japanese developers, but this is Nintendo as a whole picking out the choices. Western studios? Very viable. For Nintendo it's business.
Yeah, though the comparison isn't entirely perfect since at least we still get DQ games. MK games are a rare sight over there, assuming there are any individual gamers that buy imports for that series over there at all.Very true. Outside of Japan, Mortal Kombat and Scorpion are household names to anyone who either played a video games or lived through the 90's. The series wasn't some niche cult classic, it was a cultural phenomenon that left a lasting impact on gaming as a whole. It's one of those games that made such a mark that even people who didn't play games could easily tell you what it was and even name a few characters, Scorpion included.
I know it isn't such a big thing in Japan, but sure it's at least heard of over there. I would liken it to Dragon Quest, a series that is massive in Japan but doesn't have much of a foothold outside it, however, it is well-known enough out here for people to respect its legacy.
Fair enough, I'm not sure what the situation is entirely over in Japan and if his name was big enough out here to be heard of over there. Though I do say DQ is still just as rare despite Square's efforts and releases, it never had a presence around where I live growing up and only sometimes popped in stores in recent years to mostly be ignored (I am looking forward to picking up the Switch release and finally experience the series though). Still, I do respect it's iconic status in Japan and would gladly welcome any content in Smash, hopefully the players in Japan would share that view regarding MK.Besides, even Sak acknowledges there's only so many JP devs with globally-known series remaining regardless whether the wells of the ones already onboard are dried up or not. Deaths of lesser-known companies like Data East and Irem didn't help.
Yeah, though the comparison isn't entirely perfect since at least we still get DQ games. MK games are a rare sight over there, assuming there are any individual gamers that buy imports for that series over there at all.
Shang Tsung as Kirby.So far, 11 looks pretty good and I like Scorpion's new design in it. I'm curious about what the story will entail this time since it looks like the past will clash with the present.
Been watching a lot of the older games to get hyped, which got me thinking as to which characters would make good spirit battles. Anybody ever think of some ideas?
Goro as Donkey Kong.So far, 11 looks pretty good and I like Scorpion's new design in it. I'm curious about what the story will entail this time since it looks like the past will clash with the present.
Been watching a lot of the older games to get hyped, which got me thinking as to which characters would make good spirit battles. Anybody ever think of some ideas?
Someone said DK as Goro.So far, 11 looks pretty good and I like Scorpion's new design in it. I'm curious about what the story will entail this time since it looks like the past will clash with the present.
Been watching a lot of the older games to get hyped, which got me thinking as to which characters would make good spirit battles. Anybody ever think of some ideas?
Wouldn't Incineroar work better for Kintaro? They're both fire users and tigers. Plus, some wrestling-like abilities work well for the Shokan.Someone said DK as Goro.
I follow this up with Bowser as Kintaro.
Ganon- Kotal KhanSo far, 11 looks pretty good and I like Scorpion's new design in it. I'm curious about what the story will entail this time since it looks like the past will clash with the present.
Been watching a lot of the older games to get hyped, which got me thinking as to which characters would make good spirit battles. Anybody ever think of some ideas?
Actually, isn't Dark Samus the closest thing we have to a cyborg. It's phazon possessing a metal suit.Ganon- Kotal Khan
DK- Could be like Goro, Jax, or Ferra and Torr
ROB- Cyrax/Sektor just cus y'know Cyborgs
Just to spitball lol
That's a very very good point. Samus/Dark Samus would be better. But they just didn't pop into my head at the time.Actually, isn't Dark Samus the closest thing we have to a cyborg. It's phazon possessing a metal suit.
We don't have literally have a half-flesh/half-robot character just yet. I mean, there's the Meta Ridley costume.
R.O.B. is still a good pick, but considering the cyber-ninjas also use missiles, Dark Samus could indeed work. She also has something close to red, but otherwise, yellow and gray costumes. Regular Samus has a white costume, but doesn't really have a "yellow" costume, as her red costume has yellow on it as well.
R.O.B. is the only full-out robot, and some of the Cyber-Ninjas feel like pure machines at times, especially with the voices. Some might not even know that. Like if you watched Annihilation, I don't remember them explaining the Cyber-Ninjas properly. Sektor/Smoke were combined into one, and Cyrax just showed up out of nowhere. Though if I remember right, didn't they just insert the human spirit into the machine, making it not really a cyborg(which has actual flesh) and a pure robot, just with a human soul? Or did they have some organs transferred over(like the brain). I can't really remember other than the Lin Kuei members becoming Cyber Ninjas.That's a very very good point. Samus/Dark Samus would be better. But they just didn't pop into my head at the time.
Mortal Kombat lore loves to switch up from game to game and just not make sense. For example the 3 main Cyborgs are Sektor/Cyrax/Smoke but in MK9 it is Sektor/Cyrax/Sub-Zero(Kuai Liang) in the story. For whatever reason in 9 they kept Smoke human. Now, if I remember correctly it is their soul that is stolen. And to answer your other question The three do combine as well as separate into the 3. In the lore when they are combined they are simply just known as Triborg.R.O.B. is the only full-out robot, and some of the Cyber-Ninjas feel like pure machines at times, especially with the voices. Some might not even know that. Like if you watched Annihilation, I don't remember them explaining the Cyber-Ninjas properly. Sektor/Smoke were combined into one, and Cyrax just showed up out of nowhere. Though if I remember right, didn't they just insert the human spirit into the machine, making it not really a cyborg(which has actual flesh) and a pure robot, just with a human soul? Or did they have some organs transferred over(like the brain). I can't really remember other than the Lin Kuei members becoming Cyber Ninjas.
In a twist, I wonder how many thought Samus was just a robot in Smash 64...
Then Incin would work well for Kintaro too.Wouldn't Incineroar work better for Kintaro? They're both fire users and tigers. Plus, some wrestling-like abilities work well for the Shokan.
In all fairness for that, MK9 is a soft reboot of the franchise caused by Raiden sending a message to his past self after Shao Kahn won Armageddon.For example the 3 main Cyborgs are Sektor/Cyrax/Smoke but in MK9 it is Sektor/Cyrax/Sub-Zero(Kuai Liang) in the story. For whatever reason in 9 they kept Smoke human.
Pit: L..Lady Palutena...just who is this guy?
Palutena: He’s Scorpion and an extremely powerful ninja.
Pit: I’m getting the heebie jeebies just from standing near him.
Palutena: I don’t find that surprising. He’s a fighter without equal and seeks revenge for the destruction of his clan.
Viridi: I think I found my newest recruit!
Palutena: Think again, Viridi. Scorpion fights only for himself and his clan. He’s not exactly a team player. He has tremendous power and skill. He can also control fire from the underworld! He would rather annhiliate you than aid you.
Viridi: I can be quite persuasive!
Palutena: Not after he rips out your skull along with your spine and then sets you on fire...
Viridi and Pit: .........
Pit: And why is he in Smash? This is supposed to be kid friendly.
Palutena: Sorry but there aren’t any Friendships in this game.
Viridi: P..P..Pit...I’m sorry all the means things I said to you. Just come back to us in ONE PIECE, not in many pieces.
Pit: .....Viridi....
Palutena: Yes, please do. I don’t want a toasty angel with singed wings coming back.
Pit: Gulp...
God damn Japan region autocorrect!
Time for some BBQ-fried Pit!Pit: L..Lady Palutena...just who is this guy?
Palutena: He’s Scorpion and an extremely powerful ninja.
Pit: I’m getting the heebie jeebies just from standing near him.
Palutena: I don’t find that surprising. He’s a fighter without equal and seeks revenge for the destruction of his clan.
Viridi: I think I found my newest recruit!
Palutena: Think again, Viridi. Scorpion fights only for himself and his clan. He’s not exactly a team player. He has tremendous power and skill. He can also control fire from the underworld! He would rather annhiliate you than aid you.
Viridi: I can be quite persuasive!
Palutena: Not after he rips out your skull along with your spine and then sets you on fire...
Viridi and Pit: .........
Pit: And why is he in Smash? This is supposed to be kid friendly.
Palutena: Sorry but there aren’t any Friendships in this game.
Viridi: P..P..Pit...I’m sorry all the means things I said to you. Just come back to us in ONE PIECE, not in many pieces.
Pit: .....Viridi....
Palutena: Yes, please do. I don’t want a toasty angel with singed wings coming back.
Pit: Gulp...
God damn Japan region autocorrect!
Huh. I only played 9 so far. So in 10 the Triborg is introduced, right?Mortal Kombat lore loves to switch up from game to game and just not make sense. For example the 3 main Cyborgs are Sektor/Cyrax/Smoke but in MK9 it is Sektor/Cyrax/Sub-Zero(Kuai Liang) in the story. For whatever reason in 9 they kept Smoke human. Now, if I remember correctly it is their soul that is stolen. And to answer your other question The three do combine as well as separate into the 3. In the lore when they are combined they are simply just known as Triborg.
Both are legit options.Then Incin would work well for Kintaro too.
But I specifically picked Bowser because he looked humanoid-ish (at least more so than Charizard) while also being able to breath fire.
I guess Incin with the Curry effect could work too though...
It is possible the Cyberninja process changed due to the reboot's design. Plus, Quan Chi can remove souls. Putting his soul back in a humanoid body is actually believable. My issue is how Sub-Zero stayed alive during all this in human form without a soul. Cryogenic freezing?In all fairness for that, MK9 is a soft reboot of the franchise caused by Raiden sending a message to his past self after Shao Kahn won Armageddon.
It only makes sense that messing with the past events would mess up the future. Literally every time travel plot does that at least once.
What doesn't make sense is that Sub-Zero went back to human in the next game and the only thing they could do to explain it is "because Quan Chi"
To be honest, I'd say this heavily affects his chances. MK is not popular in the East at all. If they keep making it impossible for the games to come there, it doesn't sound like they'd also sell well as a Smash character.
Not just for this game, but future Smash games onwards may not even have Japanese support for Scorpion at all as long as content guidelines are kept up for releases in Japan.To be honest, I'd say this heavily affects his chances. MK is not popular in the East at all. If they keep making it impossible for the games to come there, it doesn't sound like they'd also sell well as a Smash character.
I won't pretend this outright means "no", as just being brutal alone is proven to work, thanks to Ridley. So fitting them in without using blood and gore is absolutely possible. But would people like any MK character like that? VS DC Universe was heavily panned due to the lack of the extreme violence, after all. So my thought is that it might be something that would have a hard time as DLC overall, enough to pick someone else, but could work fine as base. Considering Ridley was a Western pick among the ballot results, catering to one region isn't that odd. DLC, however, should cater a bit enough to both for sales. Base roster has more than enough characters that a few additions people don't like isn't going to often affect sales.
Hence why it's base or nothing, imo.Not just for this game, but future Smash games onwards may not even have Japanese support for Scorpion at all as long as content guidelines are kept up for releases in Japan.
The only way for Scorpion to be secured for Smash at this point is for him to have heavy Western support as soon as possible. If he isn't noticed by fans, it'll be nigh-impossible for him to possibly be considered.
Many people associate a character too much with their series. As if they heavily represent the game they come from regardless. While they can happen(Ness, Cloud, just for two examples), it doesn't always. Reality is, if Scorpion gets in, he'll be quite toned down.Scorpion’s very iconic. Even people who don’t play MK know who he is, so he would sell decent as DLC just on that. That really sucks about the MK11 news with Japan though, despite it having a Switch version, so I think I’ve kinda given up on Scorpion here with that news, and I don’t see him getting a quick increase in support to compensate. He was a long shot anyway to be fair but ugh.