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Get over yourself, please?
the brawl boards will probably have a predominant percentage of people saying that adv techs are not needed, cheating, or unhonorable exploitation. asking the same question in the melee discussion will probably get you flamed by competitive players who say there's nothing wrong with these tactics and they are absolutely commonplace. then the thread will promptly be locked, or else die on its own very quickly.
Not true. I beat all the local tournies where they don't use it. The truth is. . . if he uses advance techs to a comptent degree with some mindgames. . . .you will lose.
But see, I guess that's my point. The knowledge that some people have of these games, with knowing every hitbox and frame delay included, is just...insane! Again, I'm not criticizing here, I'm mainly defending my choice in how I play. I think the most advanced technique that should be using in Melee is airdodging (close to the ground is kosher
). I know it sounds silly, but it has its own rewards.I don't get it, but check this out:
Agreed. This thread'll be closed.
I dunno, I've been playing Melee since the day it came out, my friends play a few times a week...I'd say we're all very skilled at the game, definitely not "casual". I don't think it's right to assume that just because I, for example, choose not to use advanced techniques that that instantly implies that I'm not an advanced player.
Haha, well, you may be right...I really have no way of knowing. But there is something to be said about mindgames, which I would say is one my favorite aspects of the game. I still think I could pull my weight around, but again, I have no way of knowing. I would definitely not cry if I lost, as I would expect to.Not true. I beat all the local tournies where they don't use it. The truth is. . . if he uses advance techs to a comptent degree with some mindgames. . . .you will lose.
You can play however you want, but I am telling you now. You will lose to people who go to respectable biweeklies. In fact, you can play me even though I am no pro and see how it goes.
i agree with you over 9000% =D
See, I don't like that "do what you have to do to win" mentality. I've found myself in that mindset and I can honestly say it's not as fun as the alternative. If the other person wins and you're happy that they did (not scowling), I think that's a good track of mind to be in when playing games like this.
I do. But you have to agree that edgehogging looks very...ugly and stupid. If my job was to show off this game to a newcomer I wouldn't want them to see that part of the game, regardless of how easily available it is within the game code.
well if they ever entered tourneys they would lose much quicker then some1 that doesnt edgehog >___>
Nah. I'm seriously just not good. I've dedicated hours and hours to trying to learn techs and stuff, but I never really nailed it. But then again, the CPUs are just about the only competition I have (my friends aren't really good). So maybe if Brawl has online, playing advanced players will help me to improve.
If an advanced player can't use the advanced techniques that I don't, why would you assume that I would lose? I've been playing this game for six years, I think if we were both playing the same "game", if the playing field was level in your example, that we'd have a very good match.
This is true, and if money was at stake that may tip my opinion towards using everything I had...but I don't play for money, I don't see why I would ever want to edgehog.
I edgeguard.
I really try to avoid calling any technique used by anyone as a "bad thing". I don't, however, mind calling some of them ugly. A lot of them do look ugly, and some of them even look unfair (even though they aren't, as nobody "cheats"). I'm just trying to defend why I don't use the techniques, as well as frown upon those who will outright refuse to play Brawl if they aren't included.
Yeah, I'm all for admitting that I'll most likely lose against the majority of advanced techniquers, and I don't feel bad for it. But I would like to try and get used to that style of play and knock them around a bit too
many of us have been playing since the day it came out, that doesnt really mean much. my dad has been playing basketball for more years then kobe bryant has been alive, yada yada
basically, you're not in as competitive of a mindset as many others playing this game. they WILL do anything to win, if that means wobbling 4 stocks. and at the end of the day, the point of the competition is to win, and if thats how they get it done then they get it done. the competitive community for the most part encourages this "do what must be done" mentality. also, much of the competitive community does not make any distinction between this, a video game, and pretty much any other competitive activity in terms of mindset. the most competitive among us are driven by a desire to win.
So basically, you hope the entire technical aspect of the game is completely scrapped because you consider people who practice more than you "unhonorable"? Let me tell you something, no matter how simple a game seems at first, there are always going to be ways to apply the in-game techniques in such a way to give optimal advantages. No one cares if Nintendo 'intended' it to be that way, that's just what it means to be good at a game: you make optimal use of everything at your fingertips. If you seriously think that nintendo should dumb down the game SO MUCH that there is no real optimal way to apply anything, then being good at it will mean nothing because there will be no depth.
I'm not sure what you mean by "an overwhelming majority of players who do not use advanced techs are not competitive". Like, I don't play in tourneys, I don't play for money. But I am competitive in the sense that I want to be the best that I can be (excluding, for myself, advanced techs). When I play someone, I want to beat them, so I would say I'm competitive. And skilled as well, but again, you're right...if I had to bet money, I'd say I'd get "completely destroyed" by the advanced techniquers. But I really don't mind, I think the way I have chosen to play the game is very rewarding, especially when (in theory) I do beat someone who has hitbox and frame info printed out next to them.
I guess I would argue that the end result of winning in that mindset isn't as fun as the journey of playing in mine. If I have to play nasty, dirty games to "get it done", I don't think I'd feel very fun once it was done, regardless of who won. But this is just me.
He should've been banned a while ago. JohnPants, to be honest, you're not trying to be the best that you can be because you refuse to use tactics like edgehogging to help you win. What I'm trying to say is that you're a hypocrite.
No no no, I never said I want that aspect of the game to disappear. And I'm not attacking those who use it. The point that I've been trying to make (and have been sidetracked many times) is that I don't think you should completely disregard Brawl if they choose to ignore the manner of movement that is required to wavedash and modify the game. That's silly. If they change the game movement for the better of the game, but it happens to not allow for wavedashing anymore, I think that's for the better. I don't think the developers of Brawl have responsibility to not change the aspects of the game that allow advanced techniques if they think that it'll improve the game, and those who will outright refuse to play the game because of that is, in my opinion, taking the game too far.
IT'S JUST A GUILTY CONSCIENCE, STOP HANDICAPPING YOURSELF
Hm.. actually, back when Dylan was.. um.. how should i put this.. more radical, i tried to argue something sort of similar to that, my main point was:
You're right, I could be better if I used edgehogging or wavedashing or whatever. However, I wouldn't be having as much fun. I see Smash Bros as an elegant, improv-driven fighter with very graceful movements being central, but I think a lot of that gets muddled when you're constantly warping, sliding, and glitching around unnaturally. I don't care what you do, but I don't want to play the game that way and still feel I can be the "best I can be" with that "limitation" (I don't think it's fair to call it a limitation, though).
See, I see Smash Bros is an extremely deep game without the advance techniques. It's obviously a deeper game with them, but I don't think of Smash Bros as this simple, kiddy game until you unlock the knowledge of advanced competitive play.
I don't like being cheap, personally, but I'm all for mindgames. That's one of my favorite aspects of the original Smash, and more so in Melee.
