What is this??? Dumb or scum in the first posts of the game?
I know you're Tunnels H. Pressure McGee esq. but this reads a little heavy-handed.
I find this hilarious in hindsight, considering how everyone since then has been saying "dumb or scum" on ME based on one of the first posts of the game. And Nabe's more or less been one of them.
SK, get at my 109 and also, which half of your hydra do you think I like and why?
There isn't much of a point to this question.
I like that answer and it came quick which is good. Re: 109, are you saying that what you bring to the table is that you're in the hydra?
SK, do you think Nich could've been calling dumb or scum on T-block for the sake of being demoralizing and defacing? (DaD henceforth) I ask because I know this is your first game with Nich and thus I shouldn't get meta.
I want to note Nabe's pattern of asking questions and drawing information from others without volunteering it himself (unless asked of him, or if it's otherwise expected.) It didn't feel like much at the time, but looking back it seems like fake contributing.
What do you think of the people who wagon voted, and of SoupKat's vote?
Mhm, that's the half who's posting.
The last game Nich played was FE. I know because I overwhelming scum win
SoupKat, my 132. p.s. I'm calling you SK because that acronym rarely comes along in a player slot and it's delicious.
Fun note: Nabe's focus throught the early game is SoupKat (aside from some comments on me vs T-block and the occasional bit about someone else), who also happened to be his RVS vote.
Too much caffeine, I feel busy as a bee.
Nich, VG did express some aversion to you being so obvious about an ML. He voted anyway, but that's no stranger than saying T-block is likely dumb over scum and voting anyway, wouldn't you agree?
Do you think T-block is OMGUSing? i.e. you don't think what he said is valid?
A continuation of his asking questions without volunteering much style. Note the slight defense of video and the insinuation I made a bad play in the second paragraph.
Balls-to-the-wall?
He talked about time travel mechanics and the potential for night action discussion to have a larger impact. That's not radical.
Nothing of the sort. T-block raised a scenario about a vig as an example of how the mechanics are different. It's not dangerous to be mindful of the mechanics (certainly not scummy either) and as he said, roles will play a part and discussion of them. I would go a step further and say that'll happen earlier rather than later.
Not at all. He played in a game I hosted, and several others for sure.
You don't like it? I don't think that's a valid option since what I said pretty much invalidates the reasoning that came with your vote.
You see my point so kindly reiterate it. What am I getting at, and what's left not to like?
He's questioning SK about his T-block vote here, defending T-block's night actions, the source of the RVS wagon on T-block, as well as most of the votes on him aside from mine. I want to note that the whole time he's been subtly on T-block and against me, but he never really says it outright until his posts today.
This is a fair assessment, T-block seems very much into his vote on you.
What do you think of my discussion with SK about T-block? And of SK in general?
In the game I modded, he was VT and I would call him fairly collected. Some of the other players in this game would be better for T-block meta than me, I don't think I've played with him.
What's scummy about this post? It's not apparent.
@SK: What T-block said isn't fishing. Period. I'm not suggesting it's a town tell but it's not scummy by any stretch. If he spent the rest of the game playing Advice Dog and Mechanic Moose, then yeah, scummy. But it was fair to say what he did, and he let go of it without posting further.
@Ran: Leaning scum on SK and null on T-block. T-block feels like himself from what little I've seen in other games, and I like his original points. Soup feels off. He and Nich are on similar tracks but Nich's fits better, he's always aggressive and quick to the hunt. I don't know why Soup is persisting in his T-block vote.
Nabe finally gives some stances, though only because Ran asks him too. Note that with his asking questions style, he can avoid giving stances until directly asked. Look back through his posts before this and see if you can determine his stances. He could have easily gone SK dumb town/null, T-block town/null (or even scummy based on my case, not the night action bit), as well as just about anything on me.
The points themselves are for T-block to respond to at this point; what you're expressing now has body compared to your prior points and isn't wrong out-of-hand.
I find it unsettling that you're extending your prior vote onto posts after it, after begrudgingly admitting that I'm right about the mechanics posts which were your original vote reasoning. Hoping to see new directions from your slot tomorrow.
Pushing a bit more suspicion on SK, which has remained one of his scum reads to this day.
*snip*Dunno. I ask a ton of questions as scum all the time so you're probably right. *snip*
You ask a lot of questions as scum? Interesting.
I'm town. Please don't be in LyLo with me unless you're an unclaimed self-clearing town PR.
I agree about Nich, scum or an ML. He would've made an easy mislynch in FE despite what he says. He's easy to string along on one subject though which favours OS-style scumplay, so he stayed alive.
Here's where he starts painting me badly. I point out that the town was horrible in that game.
That's my point. Voting for you was easy to justify and garnered no suspicion.
You can't blame me for FE's town being bad. Anyone else find it interesting that Nabe is just about the only person to agree with Degray more often than not?
When degray claims it was my fault that I was a target for dumbtown, Nabe agrees, saying
Straight from the mouth of kings.
(I disagree with this point, but I'm not going to bother pushing it.)
Achieving a scum wincon idk
I'm mostly seeing town Nich but there was no reason to bring that up aside from FUD. It came out of left field too, it didn't follow from what you said at all.
He's mostly seeing town me. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt and supposing that's the stance he'd had since early game, something interesting happens between then and now. Anyway, this is the point where he disappears, and the wagon on me starts going away.
I'm going to pause a bit and note a few things.
At this point, a lot of people had a town read on Nabe, but what exactly has he done? He asked a lot of questions, and that's it. It would be very difficult to make a case or even just argue with him, because you can't exactly argue with a question, and aside from those he's posted very little. In fact, going back over his posts, let's take a look at the actual reads that he's posted.
@Ran: Leaning scum on SK and null on T-block. T-block feels like himself from what little I've seen in other games, and I like his original points. Soup feels off. He and Nich are on similar tracks but Nich's fits better, he's always aggressive and quick to the hunt. I don't know why Soup is persisting in his T-block vote.
I agree about Nich, scum or an ML.
I'm mostly seeing town Nich but there was no reason to bring that up aside from FUD. It came out of left field too, it didn't follow from what you said at all.
That's all. From the entire early game. He's done a lot of questioning, but we don't actually know all that much about where he stands, do we?
SK, you need an avatar.
KK, you need a working avatar.
SK again, you missed reads on Zen and I. Zen makes sense since he's posted only once but I feel all lonely.
@322 (Ran), 334 (July), I didn't answer a question? What question?
Oops just got a call to go somewhere, gotta catch up later.
You people post all hours of the night. Dreading this catch-up.
A couple of fluff posts to assure people he's not completely dead like some players were at this point.
Anyway, let's take a look at Nabe's pattern. He's just been questioning people without giving much information himself. However, since he's been away for a few days and has to make a catch up post, that won't work any longer. His absence lowered him from many peoples town lists, and for him to avoid slipping further, he has to post some actual content. (If you disagree, think about it. What would your read on Nabe be if he just continued with random questions and never really made a catch up post after being inactive like that?)
Therefore, he had to make a case on someone. Now, who's been the #1 target this game? That's right, it's been me. Also, the main points in my case are rarely if ever disputed, the main argument is whether I'm scum or dumb town. That means that by basically reiterating the points other people have made, Nabe can appear active and townie. As a bonus for him, it puts some added pressure on a townie, and might even lead to a mislynch. And even in that circumstance, he's about guilt-free, because EVERY point in his case has been brought up by someone else before him, he just agreed with them.
Really nice to see Reyth's 354, it's a fresh perspective, really good for checking my reads. I agree vehemently with his examination of Nich, he's a full scum read as of 354. A lot of insight into July and her being a thorough player, that's something I've never noticed but it's definitely valid looking back. I have a scum lean there, I haven't decided if it has anything to do with alignment but I do think she's playing differently.
Now we've reached the present day, and look. Suddenly I'm scum! However, here's the thing. What new points were presented in Reyth's case on me? Exactly one. Everything else had been gone over countless times before then while he was still active. And yet as I proved a few quotes ago, he found me most likely town then. So therefore, this proves one thing.
376/377 from Reyth re: 155 shows off what's IMO a Nich slip, feeling really good about a Nich lynch.
THIS is the only possible reason for his opinion change on me. That's right, I went from most likely town to surefire scum in all of one post.
*snip*
Up to just now I'd have agreed with you. I really think that's a slip from Nich though. Did you read 377? In this 387 you're very against a Nich vote, is the above the only reason why?
Obviously that's what you intended to convey, or if you're town that's what you intended, period. That goes without saying and this post is meaningless. IMO there's a scumslip.
What is the point behind these two statements? I understand if you're salty about FE but the second especially is bad, hypocrisy doesn't make a point less valid. It's a minor point, but still this is dismissive.
I'd also like to notice that aside from his attack on me, he hasn't said too much yet. Although he has buddied Reyth a bit.
Hard reads to make. Ran town, VG idk, TB town lean. VG hasn't posted enough, or at least not enough before post 400 which is where I'm at. Ran is just hard to read but I don't see connections between him and others, and I don't see scum posturing. TB could be posturing in a few posts and his tunnel on Nich is aggressive, but I like that he didn't fully sign on to Reyth's Nich read and questioned him on it. He could've tried for a wagon.
Still not much in the way of reasoning, and of course, Kawaii had to ask him for these. Anyone else see the pattern?
Not sure what you mean by expressing a like for DeGray's posts. A Ryker read is elusive and changing like the tides, and generally I try to rely on others to read him for me. Reyth has a decent read on him that I like, and he wouldn't be so obvious about setting up a Nich lynch, as Reyth said as well. Although Reyth meant it in a general "why would scum do that" sense, it makes sense when it's Ryker specifically. I'm not a fan of his posts, but I'm eager to see Raz show up and to hear more from the two of them, since as Ryker said he's being somewhat reserved until then.
He's passing off Degray as null on meta. Not much to note unless Degray flips scum though.
*snip*
There's a Nich/DeGray XvX around 450 that's different from the T-block/Nich XvX earlier. DeGray is right in that Nich needs to express his point more correctly, the rest of this is just BS.
So Degrey's stuff is utter junk aside from the one point, nothing's contributed, but he's still null? Right...
There's a lot of Reyth/Swiss and Reyth not getting Swiss which is natural. Reyth drops the issue where I'd have kept going as scum if faced with Swiss anew.
A bit more of Reyth (who has by far been the most persuasive and talkative player in recent history) buddying by implying Reyth-town.
Liking Swiss' exam on Ran and fully understanding what he thinks of his result. Swiss voiced a town read on Ran earlier though which is a bit incongruous. Town on Swiss despite that, he jumps reads often enough as town.
Really weird 500 from Ran that assumes to know why Swiss thinks KK is scum.
Wow. An actual READ from Nabe that nobody requested.
I'm afraid I need to go now, so I can't address his few most recent posts at the moment, but that should give you a general idea of where I'm coming from. To summarize, he's like video games except MUCH more active and even LESS stances! Even when he does give stances (which is only when asked), there's no reasoning behind those stances with the sole exception being his case on me. And every single point in that case has been brought up by someone else already. In short, there's no real scumhunting, but plenty of questions disguised as scumhunting, and every single post has this safe, don't rock the boat, don't say any more than you absolutely HAVE to mindset. And the one exception (him making a case on me) was made necessary by his absense, if he DIDN'T make a case or big catch up post with lots of analysis, he'd have looked majorly suspicious. And the final reason I'm sure this is fake is that I'm the only one of his reads that's actually changed by him reading HALF THE GAME (And he lies and claims his read on me didn't change.)
