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You probably shouldn't post your reads constantly. If nothing else, it gives scum an idea of what you do/don't like in real time, and they can adjust accordingly.
And I think someone already said, but there's a lot of aggression in this thread! And most of it doesn't seem to be coming from Ryker! Odd.
fixed that for you.
Ignoring the inactives, you have me and Degrey on there. How do you feel about the fact that I have been focusing a lot on Degrey, saying he looks scummy to me? And the fact that he's pretty much ignoring me and July? (at least to the point I've read)
oh god the formatting.
thanks for pointing that out, I forgot to read it thoroughly the first time but I'm reading it now. I know X1 agrees with at least the July analysis, he expressed the same consternation at her unvote after Soup only made a single post. I'm personally putting July as null for now, other than that I know that I agree with her push on Degrey.
Are you (and Swiss) saying this is a scumslip from T-block? Because I didn't read it that way at all. He's just saying he has a big ego.
Do you lurk the thread and wait for irrelevant things to reply to specifically?Nabe I saw afterwards
**** u
I have fully re-read your Nabe case and I've come to a conclusion!
That's the only conclusion there is to draw. Nich argues that Gray should get a lynch and says some stuff but doesn't back it up, they argue for a bit, Gray leaves. Did all those people have takes on it? It bleeds right into Reyth/Swiss arguing, do you mean somewhere else? And no, Nich hasn't changed at all for the better, if anything he's become harder to talk to.
Town read implied; like I said, as scum freshly meeting Swiss I'd have stayed the course, thinking it would be fruitful.
I don't remember Bingo aside from my cop gambit. Actually I also remember thinking July was scum, although she was Pink Lemonade at the time. Her scum play in Pizza was good, and the game's a good read overall if I do say so myself, haha. I couldn't mark her down for it really (she shares MVP) but I had some gut feelings that her posts were scummy and I'm feeling the same here. Gut of course is Russian meaning "I don't know what's wrong", and although Reyth put some good words to it like her not being thorough, I don't think that's the full scope of it.
Soup said fair enough after I said the same response to him multiple times. It looked to me like he was acknowledging what he already knew, that he was wrong. It was a concession.I can only give my interpretation as a bystander as I didn't have much input at the start of the game and Soup is the personification of hyper
As far as I'm seeing, the mechanics reasoning wasn't the only cause of the original vote. The mechanics reasoning in conjunction with T-block being "not subtle" in his approach to D1 both contributed to Soup's hyper vote. Additionally, Soup stated fair enough to your points against his at that early exchange, which I believe didn't make him "begrugdingly admit" being convinced by your posts - I took this as him merely accepting your point of view... as a point of view. Saying this, it's easier for me to read the intent behind Soup's posts as a bystander because he is my town buddy - because of this I accept your analysis on us as being reasonable but you've read the early exchange wrong.
It's null because I don't have anything to think about it, it's just some questions and comments. And posting sparsely as in not often and not about anything in particular, and in short posts. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong now that I think of it, but nothing he said was memorable so that's likely why.
Which post, sorry?
First let me respond to the bolded.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13065130&postcount=414
It looks more persuasive to me, as if you're waggling a town read in his face.
Watson as in the foil to Sherlock (me). Don't worry about it, I don't see it working out after all.
You wound me.
And good ol' Nabe continues his tradition of posting stances only when asked and not giving that much info with WHY player X is town/scum. Even when he does give details, notice the vagueness. For example, "TB could be posturing in a few posts", that's great, WHICH posts? It's not something that would help anyone else scumhunt, and it's hard for anyone to call it out (even T-block) without knowing which posts he's talking about. The reads are still quite safe. Ran has been obv-town to most people, he calls him town. VG is liked by some people, disliked by others, he calls it null. TB is mostly liked, it's a town lean. Nothing here is remotely risky or lends insight into Nabe's reasoning.
Great, he's relying on other people to read Degrey for him. Of course, since there's varying opinions on Degrey (from scum to null and I think one person said town), this lets him pick whatever read he wants at a later date.
So, most of Degrey's stuff is complete crap... no details on why this doesn't affect his read on Degrey at all, of course. And since just about everyone's disagreed with Degrey's stuff at one point or another, it's (take a guess) a SAFE stance!
Insinuating that it's TvT without saying it outright. Although there's a slight bit of helpful detail (an anomaly for Nabe), it's a slight town tell on the most obv-town person in the game. Yeah, nothing groundbreaking.
This breaks the pattern a bit in that he mentions something he likes about swiss along with a town read. However, it's nothing major, and certainly not enough to stand against the tide of evidence against him.
More of Nabe's trademark safe questioning.
A little detail on his persistent suspect, SK, mentioning that Reyth raises a good point
But also mentioning that SK is responding well. He could go either way with his supposed read on SK at this point, by either focusing on the case already made, or SK's good defense.
More buddying of Reyth.
Even when he occasionally focuses on someone not named Nicholas1024, he's very non-confrontational, noting that it's odd, and bizzare, but not actually calling it scummy.
Has anyone actually liked PTSD?
Nabe, quit trying to pretend you're FE-style Overswarm. (For reference, OS agreed with all my reads and buddied me hard, and I fell for it.) STILL more buddying of Reyth.
You know, I believe I made a case on that, but he doesn't mention it at all in his overwhelming hate of me. It would probably be inconvenient to fit into his "MUST BE SCUM FROM ONE POST" case.
Well, you have buddied him on everything else, so...
So basically you're saying that the one post is a 100% no room for error automatic scum tell? Wow, I'm impressed you can say that with a straight face. I'll repeat, townies do make these kinds of errors, my case in point would be Overswarm in Mario Kart Mafia.
I don't need to argue this any more, but there's no reason for it to be scummy. What point is there in scum bringing it up? You can't call it fake contribution since I've made no less than 3 original cases at this point in the game, been very active, and it's still D1.
So, can I take that as an admittance that my meta would be a town-tell on me in this case?
Because I'm town. And I'm not about to let you mislynch me without a fight, and I've got the evidence I need to put you on the chopping block.
lol. If insults are a scum tell, then Degrey should be dead already.You were abrasive to Zen and dismissive to VG. That's bad!
I do tend to put my thoughts on paper (so to speak), and sometimes that entails questions like "If I'm scum, why would I do this?". It only takes a single word missed to make a "slip" like that. For example, take away the if in the above sentence, and it's "I'm scum, why would I do this?", which is quite in line with the "slip" Nabe's trying to push a mislynch over.
By the way, in my case I dug up a quote from you right before you went inactive, where you said I was more likely dumb town than scum. Contradiction much?
Nah. I just find it extremely unlikely that a good townie (which you are when you're town) could read through half the game for the first time, and have no significant read changes.
I'd say I've proved otherwise. Other then your case on me (which was made by going back and taking the points from other people's arguments that I had trouble refuting, and was necessary from an activity standpoint anyway), every single thing you've done has been categorized by one word.
I lol'd. I also agree, unless Zen manages to do something worthwhile. I think townZen could be an asset if he actually put in effort
And that was exactly my thought process. You seriously pay attention.
This is very superficial, and I don't like that when we are dealing with someone as dangerous as Ryker. His posts may be smooth but what do you think are his reasons for not answering any questions I or anyone other than Swiss have asked him? What do you think about his questions addressed to much of the player list that for the most part he didn't follow up on? Do you see pro-town motivation behind those actions?
I actually feel like Zen has been providing more content than PLSD, PLSD is just very good at providing "content" in an appealing manner, but it hasn't been the kind of content that allows you to get a solid read. At least with Zen I know some of the players he likes and dislikes, I can't remember any stances from PLSD and thats because I don't think any exist yet.
Only when you're scum ofc
I agree with what July said too! You're train of thought is slightly confusing, but if you are essentially saying the same thing as her I agree.also @vanz: ^what do you think of the above analysis? also eye don't agree with your read on jpeg. Why is he one of your top scum reads? How can you convince us?_Currently I'd most likely lynch between Zen/Dgrey/possibly T-Block, and where on earth is the sex dance of the prehistoric variety???.
Oh haha the question was directed at Nabe but thanks for the added info.
Nichy, not to sound mean but the case is pretty much not that good. =/ It's reaching as all else and doesn't really show how Nabe is scum to me.Nichy said:
Since .jpg is voting Nich I don't have a problem with it at all.
Wow I am sorry! I didn't see your post.
I will get to you on this in a second haha. Seems like you want a lot of detail so I'm gonna try and give it to ya. However you have kindof poisoned the water with your last line buuut I'll knuckle down through it.
whoa what's going on here.
you're... a hydra?
again, I agree. I officially invite Nabe to join Reyth and I in the townzone.
Didn't the mod tell him to stop?
...wgat.
I don't like it when people say "go ahead and vote me if ____" like that.
I'll definitely have to get to reading his post, then.
Talking about Degrey here?
Earlier in the game, when the wagon on me was I think Nick, Ran, KK, I thought to myself "at least one of Ran or KK is probably scum." I was definitely leaning toward KK, but as I said earlier, I can't remember most of what he's done, it's just a gut right now. I'll definitely be rereading him as well. X1 also said "Kawaii's push on us is terrible and haven't paid much attention but if it was Vandy behind that I'd be inclined to say they're scum, but not certain."
It was?
Well yeah. I've been playing with Ryker since you were in the crib, boy. But again, it's a wording thing. This one I'm throwing away because there's ambiguity to it, it's not proof of anything.
