ELI-mination
Smash Champion
Yea you must be brain damaged lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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Tier List Speculation
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JOE!
Smash Hero
"but it's not fully representative!" yeah even in-game it still sticks out way past the width of the shadow claw effects, go look at emu vs. armada
also, the actual opinion of the person who won SKTAR might hold some importance:
also, the actual opinion of the person who won SKTAR might hold some importance:
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woundedust
Smash Apprentice
I still dont see why people justify spacies in top 5
So many people **** on them now
So many people **** on them now
0RLY
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Can M2 be invincible forever from teleport stalling? Kinda like Sheik's stall except impossible to ramen noodle?
I'm asking about nerfs. Just trying to avoid having brawl ledge rules in pm.
I'm asking about nerfs. Just trying to avoid having brawl ledge rules in pm.
Hinichii.ez.™
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It sure looked liked it.
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Scuba Steve
Smash Ace
I play with a Mewtwo player and he's told me that it's fully invincible.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
It was fully invincible even in Melee, when it was way slower; of course it's fully invincible in PM.
GunBlaze
Smash Lord
It can't be faster in P:M.
0RLY
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Whoa, I didn't know Ike had a ledge grab limit. Why doesn't every character have a ledge grab limit?!
GunBlaze
Smash Lord
In Brawl and P:M, Ike can only Aether and regrab the ledge 5 times. The 6th time, he'll plummet to his death.
ike has a qd/walljump limit, which is what i think he was talking about?
edit: in after gunblaze's clarification. now i know : o
edit: in after gunblaze's clarification. now i know : o
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In Melee M2 had to drop off and jump using ledge invincibility to sweetspot the ledge. In PM he can doing it right from the ledge. Melee's is like WOOP, WOOP. PM goes WOOPWOOPWOOP
I'm pretty sure the ledge grab is still ramen noodles-able. You just gave to grab it as m2 has no hitboxes as he does it. EMU killer did the WOOP ramen noodles game 3 to M2k and stole ledge out of the stall.
jtm94
Smash Lord
I'm surprised M2K wasn't the one using the edge-stalling. That's his thunder after all.
A few characters can just chill at the edge and be at advantage, but being invincible is another thing. Also worth noting that if you grab edge off of MEwtwo you just go on stage so it isn't like a free stock or anything.
A few characters can just chill at the edge and be at advantage, but being invincible is another thing. Also worth noting that if you grab edge off of MEwtwo you just go on stage so it isn't like a free stock or anything.
PsionicSabreur
Smash Journeyman
Question, does Mewtwo's high airspeed lend at all to his survivability on stages with wide blast zones, or is the effect negligible?
It doesn't lead to his survivability much. Mewtwo's floatiness and general recovering abilities are what let him get back safely. The combination of those 2 things is what gives his airspeed any impact basically
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Alfonzo Bagpipez
Smash Lord
My second use of the ignore feature.
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PillsBuryDopeBoy
Führer President King DopeLord The VI
Mewtwo is top tier at the moment, and honestly I think he needs to get nerfed hard. With his float and ridiculous tail pressure, I think he has an unfair advantage over the rest of the cast.
TheDuckChris
Smash Cadet
Roy is a solid mid tier similar to Ganondorf. Their dedicated players can easily contend with them and they have a lot of good options against most of the cast, with like one limiting feature that gives them flavour. Wario might fit here as well, and probably Sonic. Other mid tiers could be Ike, ROB, Ness, DK, maybe Tink as well.
I find it quite interesting to think about mid tiers and how they stack up rather than fuss over top/high tier placements. There's also some issues with underrepresentation: we have no idea of the potential of certain characters because no one solo mains them (ICs, Olimar, Pikachu, Peach, Luigi to some extent).
I also think the idea of "top tier" as we know it from melee almost doesn't exist in PM. In melee, fox/falco have so many extremely favourable matchups and the ones that are slightly unfavourable are entirely possible and are won by the spacies in tournament all the time. Whereas M2K can pick up Mewtwo and combo fast fallers to death without even knowing that much about the character, as we have seen. Granted it is M2K, but I think there really aren't as many characters that deserve top tier status as some people are suggesting.
I think with the variety of characters that PM brings, the most important factor in a player's game is consistency.
This is why we see players like K9 drop out of losers bracket to a random falco, and on the other hand its one of the reasons Mario is so popular. Mario has a lot of semi-safe options and a solid game plan including decent power, decent movement, decent stage control, and decent -> good recovery depending on the stage. This all adds up to make him one of the most consistent picks for a tournament. Similarly I think this is one reason that big characters like Zard don't get that much love: they're inconsistent because they have to adjust so much in different matchups (ZSS for example). Link is another really consistent character and he's gotten a lot of love for it too.
I'd like to see more discussion on Bowser (super armour) and DDD (crazy movement options).
I find it quite interesting to think about mid tiers and how they stack up rather than fuss over top/high tier placements. There's also some issues with underrepresentation: we have no idea of the potential of certain characters because no one solo mains them (ICs, Olimar, Pikachu, Peach, Luigi to some extent).
I also think the idea of "top tier" as we know it from melee almost doesn't exist in PM. In melee, fox/falco have so many extremely favourable matchups and the ones that are slightly unfavourable are entirely possible and are won by the spacies in tournament all the time. Whereas M2K can pick up Mewtwo and combo fast fallers to death without even knowing that much about the character, as we have seen. Granted it is M2K, but I think there really aren't as many characters that deserve top tier status as some people are suggesting.
I think with the variety of characters that PM brings, the most important factor in a player's game is consistency.
This is why we see players like K9 drop out of losers bracket to a random falco, and on the other hand its one of the reasons Mario is so popular. Mario has a lot of semi-safe options and a solid game plan including decent power, decent movement, decent stage control, and decent -> good recovery depending on the stage. This all adds up to make him one of the most consistent picks for a tournament. Similarly I think this is one reason that big characters like Zard don't get that much love: they're inconsistent because they have to adjust so much in different matchups (ZSS for example). Link is another really consistent character and he's gotten a lot of love for it too.
I'd like to see more discussion on Bowser (super armour) and DDD (crazy movement options).
I know Ivy can only tether 3 times before getting back on stage to get more.
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This applies to any character with a tether, even olimar's inconsistent, **** storm of disappointment, disguised as an recovery move.
I figured but I wasn't completely sure so I didn't wanna say anything about other character's.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Literally everyone
Also fox/falco don't have any unfavorable matchups in melee, unless you count each other, depending on who you ask, fox might beat Falco or vice-versa, or they might be perfectly even; either way at least one of them has no unfavorable matchups
BombTicker
Smash Apprentice
Or you could genuinely outplay them, just a thoughtHow to beat spacies:
1. Pick Kirby
2. Camp ledge
3. Inhale them when they get close
4. Watch them be dumb and mash out and plummet do their death
5. Repeat
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jokes on you for taking that join date seriously
Juushichi
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I think in addition to that, the fact that M2 weight is 97 also has something to do with it. :x For reference, I think his Melee weight was 85? @standardtoaster confirm?
PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP
Hologram Summer Again
Yo if they fall for it and lose you are outplaying them. All of this stigma against kirbycides not being "genuine skill" is scrubbishness.
It's true, Mewtwo weight got buffed. I thought he was 93 instead of 97, but he's basically def in the 90's now
Edit: I found this nugget on the wiki: "Mentioning Project M on any of Nintendo's Miiverse channels can trigger an automatic ban for discussing "criminal activity". This includes using the abbreviation "PM", which can result in erroneous bans when talking about other games or series with the same abbreviation (such as Paper Mario)."
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criminal activity sounds like the best P:M crew ever
Ali Baba 177
Smash Journeyman
SOSOooooo what do you guys think of the tier list I made last week now that Sktar is over.?./??
Any tier list after SKTAR is probably ****. Might as well name 90% of them "After-tourney flip flopping to look like you were correct before"
Real men stick with their guns and try to be right *before* the tourney
Real men stick with their guns and try to be right *before* the tourney
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Ali Baba 177
Smash Journeyman
So what do you think? lol For characters people might think will flip flop Im assuming will be samus and mewtwo. I think that mewtwo is fine where he is though and that Samus may need to move up a bit, but maybe just within that tier.
And if you didnt know my 'tier list' is in my signature.
SpaceJello
Smash Apprentice
please buff ness
Bryonato
Green Hat
ness is good tho.
woundedust
Smash Apprentice
Ness needs no buffs. He is fine.