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Space animals are fine, learn the match up and deal with it
This is a stupid thing to say.
Because Fox and friends actually have competition now?
Give me 2.1 Ike back. You can go ahead and learn that match-up.
Kill power is definitely not his biggest problem. Bair is amazing. Nair will kill on smaller stages around 95-110% on most characters, dair is a strong meteor, and uair will kill off the top with ease especially when comboing from dair -> uair. To add to this he has fsmash (tipper kills super early), flash and pkt2.
I can reply to this, but I know the PM community won't like the answer. It doesnt have to do with the way spacies feel, it goes back to one of my first posts in here (not trying to be mean but this is just what I hear). Good melee players have little respect for top level play in PM and the players who's only success is through PM. (This is true for good Brawl > PM players too but maybe not as prevalent). They think it is, more or less, an easier version of smash. So while they might legitimately enjoy PM and the community, when they want to get serious and be competitive theyll go back to their game. Whenever I hear advice on how to get better at PM, many of them say its just as good or better to practice with melee. This happened for Brawl as well in its early years, but it stopped being criticized in that way once top melee players could no longer do well in Brawl and top level Brawl players grew in their own right. However Brawl actually had different mechanics than melee. Given the game is titled Project Melee and that top level is meant to emulate Melee its going to be harder to shake off while non-PM players who put little time into the game are doing as well as or beating out the players who are invested in it. Even moreso because it seems like a common attitude is PM player subservience to melee skill.
You forgot about it too.
Melee still exists, and it's a good game. No rush, PM will be around for a long time, so who cares?
Olimar has a nice mix of range and damage-racking ability through combos, chaingrabs & Pikmin Throw. His struggles come in when it comes to stopping pressure.
Like... this can't be real advice people have spouted, can it? Not to say you're subscribing to this, just find it super hard to believe this is actual advice anyone has given anyone else, ever. It's like these people are trying their hardest to pretend no character other than Fox/Falco/Marth/Sheik can possibly exist (even granting them that, this advice is still terrible).
I never really said it was "a better version of melee", but what I did say was that the game largely takes the best parts of Melee (movement, etc) and adds a lot more interesting stuff to it (good character variety, fun new character designs). To me, this is enough to make it a version of Smash that the community at large should put a lot of time into, since it's the most fun.
I do not think it is fair to say. Most Melee players get bopped at bigger tournaments unless they have invested significant amounts of time to practicing the game, in which case I would say they are no longer "Melee players", they are "Melee/PM players". Look at the Apex 2014 results and you'll see them littered with Melee, Brawl, and PM only players.
Porting some things from Melee make the game better, even if Melee never existed those attributes about the game are good. Not sure where you got us wanting it to be a 1:1 port, our website even says we don't, lol.
*Project M
That advice might sound meaner than its meant to, but it has come from some of the top places of PM explaining how they got good. Im going to level with you right now though, I think at this point in time there is more to be gained from practicing in melee than in PM, and as Ive stated elsewhere I (and others) think right now the PM only experts arent on par with smash fundamentals as their melee and brawl counterparts. However, it's also to be expected since the game is new. Right now, perhaps the best thing to be done is to keep playing the game and developing the meta, and strive to be better than the melee/brawl players who don't play as much. If it matters to you, its the way to earn respect for the game and the community so that people dont just see it as easy mode melee.
Well I think people get sensitive about the wording even if its not what you meant directly. Its best to just enjoy the game for the qualities you like in it, but understand that others might not agree.I never really said it was "a better version of melee", but what I did say was that the game largely takes the best parts of Melee (movement, etc) and adds a lot more interesting stuff to it (good character variety, fun new character designs). To me, this is enough to make it a version of Smash that the community at large should put a lot of time into, since it's the most fun.
I can see maybe the money in tournaments isn't there yet... hopefully it's coming, and of course you can still play and enjoy Melee (as long as you play one of the 7 viable characters). But... I had really hoped the community wouldn't be so petty to dislike the game solely because "it's not Melee" or "I don't want to have to learn new matchups" but maybe I'm wrong.
This is a very subtle distinction, but I think it's valid nonetheless. I would like to point out that DEHF relied on Melee fundamentals to go deep into Apex. PM's design is conducive to relatively easy transitions between the two games. The danger of categorizing players as Melee/PM players is that the category can get too inclusive.
> Says no one is overpowered
I'm hoping this isn't an alt account, because this is probably the best 1st post I've ever read.
When did he say the arguments come from the same people? He's listing 2 separate problems that he sees from this community...
It probably won't happen. Ever.
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No, that Link wasn't very good. If you want some good Link footage, find Hylian, Internet Explorer, and actually JCaesar has a pretty good Link.
Ive lurked here a lot so Ive seen a lot of the opinions of the people on the separate smash forums before, and I felt that I needed to contribute after seeing the past several people echo the same ideas.
