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He does pretty good, he can gimp them both super hard at early % with C4 sticks (literally B-Throw, C4 detonation, and then jump out and Fair, works from like 0%-50% because they are in ridiculous stun and forced to Up B) and he can CG them on MULTIPLE stages because the height of the CG isn't that high either.
??? Snake is still good regardless if people tech lol...I wouldn't say he flourishes in punishing people not teching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doNRI6cTGyM
What it feels like to beat DK withMarthanyone
They're relatively unexplored to the general public, but I've personally been playing Snake since 2.1 and in multiple MU's so to me, the UK and people who follow Snake's progress he's pretty much explored as much as any of the other Project M characters imo
http://youtu.be/RBrKYDXQ4fk?t=19m14s
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Falco's down B does the same thing at 17
so, til snake upb-c4 stick is a thing.
It's a thing if people DI in
He doesn't really strike me as a good character, so much as a unique design that's hindered by that same unique design. His overall damage is low, but his speed doesn't quite make up for this. I think the somewhat lower speed is a product of being slippery and having quite a low traction. While being a good deal faster than Luigi in the air, ground speed is kind of sluggish outside wavedash, like you said.
When you say he should be able to wall cling after forward b, do you mean after you cancel it mid-air or during the shell animation? I'd be for giving some more power to Aqua Jet, maybe even a little more armor to it. For an attack that puts a burst forward from his shell, you'd think it wouldn't be so easy to tap him out of it or beat his attack flat out.
You guys are playing Squirtle wrong, gotta do them SH Double aerials and ACs. He just needs Bair's IASA/End one frame sooner. You guys SHDFing, SHFairUpair, SH Bair Waveland? How about you do a SH Bair Waveland twice in a row, I bet you can't. 20 Leelue pesos you can't.
At the current amount of exposure, Squirtle is like a gimmicky character (for lack of a better word). I think he works best against people who don't know the match up. He fights drastically differently then any other character due to his different properties that can be at first hard to adapt to (armor on side-b and nair, small target, weird recovery, erratic movement due to wavedashing, bubble, fast aerials, and certain shell-shifting techniques), and it can be very overwhelming when you don't know how to deal with him. Once his strategy is exposed though, he becomes very predictable, which in many cases decide the rest of the match. He can be an absolute monster if your opponents don't know how to deal with them, so I think some people believe he's good because a few of them here have pocketed a few wins through opponents who have lack of experience or who are johning because they lost due to a lack of experience. Still think he's about mid-tier regardless though.
I'd say Dedede, but he's got a lot of things to really screw Squirtle if the Squirtle isn't fast enough to avoid it. For all they've improved him though, I'd say that it's still somewhat close with Dedede and Squirtle at bottom level. The water turtle might edge ahead of Dedede, but it's still pretty close regardless in my opinion.
T. Link comes to mind. Other than that, I think he's a little better or worse than Ness, Luigi, Ganondorf, Zelda and maybe Diddy Kong.
I didn't ask who you think he wins against in the 1-on-1. I mean who is he better than in the grand scheme vs the cast.
Hmm, I'd still say he's better than Dedede in the grand scheme, though not that much better than him.
Diddy, Ness, and Ganondorf? Really? I figured that they were much more capable than Squirtle was.
Diddy is still being explored, but I think overall he's still pretty mid-tier. He doesn't have many MUs where he wins by an overwhelming margin; I don't think he has many significantly bad ones, but most of them tend to be negative imo. He's sort of like Squirtle in being sort of gimmicky.
When you say it like that it makes sense. I'd figured they were all considered to be somewhere in the middle and with Squirtle so consistently considered to be bottom 5, I didn't think getting ahead of Ganondorf would happen. Why do you think that Squirtle comes out ahead of T.Link though? I figured with as low as he consistently is, he had something at least to keep him above the pretty linear water pokemon.
I was suggesting after the Aqua Jet. As for buffing the knock back, I think its a great idea. I play a LOT of squirtle. At the risk of sounding arrogant, I feel like I am probably one of the better squirtles around, and I can honestly admit that I have never killed anyone with aqua jet. Not for lack of trying, its simply not as good of a move as his other kill moves or the normal hit of his withdraw for that matter. The normal withdraw can follow up into other, even better kill moves. Aqua jet wouldnt hurt to be buffed. I dont even think it needs armor. I'd rather just have it kill haha. I'm not an armor kind of guy. Though I wouldnt complain ^_^
ROB, DDD, Ness, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Zelda, Pikachu, JPuff, Marth, G&W
Toon Link is not very good. He's like a slightly better Young Link, who was around mid-tier in Melee (which would make him low tier in PM). I mean he has good options and has answers for some things, but overall he's just outshined by a majority of the cast. I can't think of one match up where he has the advantage.
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