we talked about kirby/marth a bit in the discord, I think pm kirbys dislike the MU because they have to stay grounded and conservative; if kirby jumps or does a bad dash attack he gets punished. I don't think its that horrible for kirby, there are much worse ones. It could shift to either side depending on the stage's platform layout but I think its slightly marth favored.
Sorta unrelated but as someone who tries to main melee GnW, marth is the MU out of the top tiers I look forward too the most. You lose the Dash dance game and can't shield anything and die from tipper at 40, but your DD game isn't that much worse than marths and if you catch him sleeping once, GnW's stagger game vs marth's defensive game is great. No real opinion on the PM MU, honestly other than dash distance, PM GnW's movement feels much worse than melee's, it lacks the fluidity that melee GnW empty jump wavelands back has
I think diddy beats marth. Marth players consistently zero to deathing diddy off a grab doesn't mean much to me because diddy can to it to marth right back, and I think diddy has a clear edge in neutral. Comparable dash dance distances (Actually the same DD>dtilt game except marth's is disjointed) but bananas just throw a huge wrench into marth's DD space control. Diddy can still play the DD>dtilt game with marth while holding a banana too, while within that spacing battle, glide toss's are unreactable and diddy always is at advantage unless marth had hard read it or happened to be doing a WD back at that moment. If it hits marth its a grab/dtilt>grab/combo, which diddy can just roll with into his godlike stagger game or depending on stage/platforms just death combo him or carry him off stage for a gimp (diddy can marth slayer really easily too). If marth shielded it expecting to shield a Dtilt from diddy (which you can't shield grab without perfect timing without getting dash back baired or punished with glide toss), diddy is at frame advantage as long as the banana traveled in the air for more than 3-5 frames (depending on the direction of the throw). frame advantage at a distance+character stuck in shield are very good situations for diddy to be in. Marth also can't jump vs diddy if diddy has a banana in hand without getting tripped, while diddy can jump with less risk because wavebounce popgun and AGTs drastically and quickly changing jump paths. Its definitely not a slaughter from either side, but I think diddy has a clear advantage in neutral and stagger game when he has a banana in hand, and when he doesn't its not even that favored to marth.
