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God that was hilarious. I'm pretty sure people were just giving SB crap because it was a ludicrous statement, don't remember anyone saying anything to people opposing the claim.@ Frost | Odds , hey remember when I said DK WASN'T a finished character and strong bad hadn't peaked his metagame and people were giving me crap about that? youre not the only one
What kind of difficult are we talking here? Multiple frame perfect inputs? Weird control stick angles? Precise spacing?I'm probably the only one who wants people to figure it out themselves rather than just tell everyone what some good DK aren't doing. its anything ground breaking, its just something thats super hard to do so no one bothers working it into their game
In addition to the NIL thing discussed earlier, there is no reason to be late on your DJ input for an instant DJ land in PM. Tap jump has a three frame "buffer" window, you just have to keep holding up til the input goes through.@ Ripple
Its 5 frames of jumpsquat, 1 frame of armored double jump, 7 frames of dsmash. Frame 13 isn't that bad, especially considering how far it hit horizontally. If you are slow on your jump input, its 5 of jumpsquat, 1 non armored air born frame, 3 armored airborne frames, 7 frames of dsmash, which is frame 16.
Wait, and i've been doing it with R jump all this time? wtfIn addition to the NIL thing discussed earlier, there is no excuse to be late on your DJ input for an instant DJ land in PM. Tap jump has a three frame "buffer" window, you just have to keep holding up til the input goes through.
Like X->R?Wait, and i've been doing it with R jump all this time? wtf
Doesn't that just usmash if you screw up? Or are you talking about something else like an aerial interrupt or something?Up > cstick up works well
If you tap the c stick anywhere but up during squat jump you get a buffered instant dj.Doesn't that just usmash if you screw up? Or are you talking about something else like an aerial interrupt or something?
Any idea what the mechanics behind that are? Seems like an unlikely output of you consider the inputs, and seems like a weird thing to intentionally put in.If you tap the c stick anywhere but up during squat jump you get a buffered instant dj.
Yeah.Like X->R?
My guess, and only a guess, is that you're holding 'up' to jump, then the game tries to do the c sctick command, but cant because you're in squatframes, so it reads the next input, which is you still holding 'up'Any idea what the mechanics behind that are? Seems like an unlikely output of you consider the inputs, and seems like a weird thing to intentionally put in.
yea i messed up my typing listen to softieDoesn't that just usmash if you screw up? Or are you talking about something else like an aerial interrupt or something?
ah here we go, this is the one i meant to sayAlternativly you can hold up on the cstick in shield to buffer the jump OoS, and hold up on control stick with right timing to get the DJL.
ah here we go, this is the one i meant to say
you so smart server of soft
That's what I thought originally.Alternativly you can hold up on the cstick in shield to buffer the jump OoS, and hold up on control stick with right timing to get the DJL.
Frost | Odds
You can SDI the first hit out of range of the second. Way too fast to react to though, so just anticipate it.Oh yeah, the fact that if you're in range it's a free hit & you can't SDI out...
But my friend Railz uses it all the time so I can typically punish / anticipate it. It's alright I guess
@ Soft Serve I know you were talking about this **** not too long ago. Lot of characters have this tbh. ZSS got dat sexy pivot utilt and a decent pivot dtilt. Fixed c-stick attack would make it even freer/sexier~A looooong time ago I had a discussion with Cactuar and KKaze about Marth pivot-related stuff.
We all agreed that pivot D-Tilt was the way to go.
So I learned that crap and beat PP in an MM with Marth by spamming the ish out of it.
So it works, gets a stamp of approval, and should be abused more in turn.
GO PM COMMUNITY GO
This isn't just a Marth thing either.
Think of fighting Roy, and literally ANY TIME HE MOVES AWAY, there's a chance you'll get hit by a D-Tilt.
Literally 100% up-time on D-Tilt. ESPECIALLY when he's evasive.
In other words, if you near-ish the ground ANYWHERE IN A MASSIVE CHUNK OF SPACE NEAR ROY and you MISS him, even if/especially if it's due to his DD/ground game, you can eat a D-Tilt and lose a stock.
If you're safe about D-Tilt, F-Tilt fits the same boat.
D-Tilt is fast, starting and ending, and hardly adds any down-time to his DD/Ground movement game.
It's OP
That's just 1 character.
Odds' Yoshi making its orangey presence known.Why is my font orangey
Apparently it's odds... lol wtf
This is the wrong question to ask and that's likely to hold true for a while yet. I get what you're trying to say, but tournament placings are often a lagging indicator of meta development (especially in an environment like PM's). Also a very inconsistent indicator since the meta often seems to evolve (at least within mass-viewed top level play) in spurts rather than in a smooth progression.Who won a national and I didn't hear about it.
it was a joke lolThis is the wrong question to ask and that's likely to hold true for a while yet. I get what you're trying to say, but tournament placings are often a lagging indicator of meta development (especially in an environment like PM's). Also a very inconsistent indicator since the meta often seems to evolve (at least within mass-viewed top level play) in spurts rather than in a smooth progression.
Somebody's rocking the new meta at their local smashfest and we don't even know it yet.
basically@ Soft Serve I know you were talking about this **** not too long ago. Lot of characters have this tbh. ZSS got dat sexy pivot utilt and a decent pivot dtilt. Fixed c-stick attack would make it even freer/sexier~
Odds' Yoshi making its orangey presence known.
...it was orange, right?
@ DrinkingFood yeah, aerial sideb shenanigans are super legit for Marth. They're slowly coming 'round. Some of the Brawl vets/dedicated PM players are making good use of it.
One thing though:
This is the wrong question to ask and that's likely to hold true for a while yet. I get what you're trying to say, but tournament placings are often a lagging indicator of meta development (especially in an environment like PM's). Also a very inconsistent indicator since the meta often seems to evolve (at least within mass-viewed top level play) in spurts rather than in a smooth progression.
Somebody's rocking the new meta at their local smashfest and we don't even know it yet.
im bad and junk (see me vs rip for a real laugher), but i'd also like to play against your [states'] yoshi's again but with marth. I think Sheik atm firmly beats Yoshi, but I have some things I'd definitely like to try with Marth in this MU.So my training partner is a Yoshi and there's another Yoshi player on the west side of my state that has only been a competitive player for under a year and will most likely be PR'd next season.
Yoshi bodies FE cast and does work on spacies / fast fallers / bad recoveries.
Why cc when you can just parry like a bosssheik seems to eat a lot of the cast, I do believe yoshi manages better than most though.
or maybe sheiks just suck still
HE CAN CC DSMASH!