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How is rob troublesome for samus? I can imagine esam destroying every rob with little to no problem.
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Tier List Speculation
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Hungry Headcrab
Smash Ace
R.O.B. is one of the few characters that, as far as I can tell, doesn't really have a problem with either killing Samus or approaching her. At least that's my amateur opinion on the matter, not sure how the match-up really stacks up beyond that.
On the bright side, I absolutely love the R.O.B. match-up as Ganon.
On the bright side, I absolutely love the R.O.B. match-up as Ganon.
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Uh, other than that ROB is basically completely immune to projectiles, has free approaches on Samus from the ground and air, outspaces the hell out of her, can't really be comboed by her, and kills her off the top super easily while Samus has to struggle to land an fsmash, which is her only realistic kill option on ROB?
I'm not an expert on either character (though my Samus is decent and I regularly play with 2 of the best ROBs in canada), but I'd be shocked if the MU was less stacked than 65:35
I used to absolutely hate it as Bowser, but it feels winnable now. Having an approach is nice. I imagine most of Ganon's punishes in the MU consist of flame choking ROB's whiffed aerial approaches?
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Vashimus
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Yeah, ROB is pain for Samus for essentially the same reasons Mewtwo was for her 3.0. Only Side-B is a helluva lot more manageable than Teleport.
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Actually, I'm having a hard time convincing myself that ROB isn't #1 right now. Someone remind me about Fox's upsmash pls
KlefkiHolder
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Hungry Headcrab
Smash Ace
R.O.B. is the absolute perfect weight and floatiness for Ganon to go absolutely ham on. He's floaty enough to net grabs out of aerial Flame Choke, not floaty enough to avoid d-throw set-ups, and an ideal weight to generate legitimate combos from there.
It's spectacular. Basically the same as the Ivy match up, but much more managable from neutral.
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PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP
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inb4
THE RETURN OF JCAESAR
edit: where can I find the image of ROB photoshopped on trihard's head lmao
THE RETURN OF JCAESAR
edit: where can I find the image of ROB photoshopped on trihard's head lmao
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Joe was playing ****ing amazing, really showing how diddy is still very good. Luckily he didn't run into any foxes (I don't think he would have beaten Haxs fox, don't know if m2k went fox). The only real questionable thing he was doing was trying to intercept gatzhu's high recoveries with nair.
Diddy is still amazing.
You'll be bored in a year :V
I bet on Roy myself and am in the process of learning that character atm. I don't think he's going to be top3 or something crazy like that, but definitely top10 easily. This update seems to put the emphasis on strong neutral games, usually with good movement, and Roy has plenty of that.
Thane of Blue Flames
Fire is catching.
Gahtzu's Dthrow to walkoff knees were crazy. I think the Side-B change and increased variety in stage-picks might make dealing with Fox easier for Falcon.
Hinichii.ez.™
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Any links to that?
Thane of Blue Flames
Fire is catching.
Check the 3.5 Top Players Vidz thread.
InfinityCollision
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Can confirm, Bowser players are really excited right now.
That video is one of my favorite things to come out of this update so far.
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One thing I'd like some input on.
How do you guys feel about Fox and Falco's lasers. Nothing else. I'm just curious about what you guys think about them. I'm having trouble understanding why those two still have such a fantastic projectile game with those options. In particular still being able to jump cancel them. A few characters lost the ability to cancel the lag on their projectiles this patch, but not those two. Is there any counterplay against the lasers of Falco or Fox in your opinion? Yes I understand they don't really do that much damage but they still control the momentum of the match.
How do you guys feel about Fox and Falco's lasers. Nothing else. I'm just curious about what you guys think about them. I'm having trouble understanding why those two still have such a fantastic projectile game with those options. In particular still being able to jump cancel them. A few characters lost the ability to cancel the lag on their projectiles this patch, but not those two. Is there any counterplay against the lasers of Falco or Fox in your opinion? Yes I understand they don't really do that much damage but they still control the momentum of the match.
Foo
Smash Lord
Falcos is super good, but manageable. Only reason it's allowed to be as good as it is is because melee. Closest thing to counterplay is powershielding. Next closest would be abusing falcos glaring weaknesses that make up for his insane strenghts.
Fox laser doesn't really seem that great, mostly just annoying. However, it is pretty good. It isn't OP in and of itself, but tack it onto a character that is fantastic in almost every respect, then... Why does fox get everything?
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Fox lasers are whatever in my opinion, not as good as Sheik needles. Falco lasers are probably the best projectile in the game. Counterplay to Falco lasers is don't go to FD and learn to powershield.
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I like Roy a lot in 3.5. He is so fun, and feels fully capable now.
Fox lasers depend on the MU. If the character can approach Fox, no big deal, they take their free stage control and possibly land a hit. If they can't approach Fox, and don't have a counter projectile to deal with it, they're screwed.
Luckily power shielding has an easier window and is something that you can learn to do with decent consistency (you do need to grind it out in the lab/friendlies, so it can be rather annoying), so Falco's lasers are much less of a hassle to deal with than in melee. Without reliable power shielding, the counterplay is high movement to not only screw up his approach but to potentially pick him off too, maybe even throw their own projectile in there if they have one. Of course effective powershielding plus high movement is a really potent mix. But if they don't have the mobility/size and projectile, they're probably screwed too.
Luckily power shielding has an easier window and is something that you can learn to do with decent consistency (you do need to grind it out in the lab/friendlies, so it can be rather annoying), so Falco's lasers are much less of a hassle to deal with than in melee. Without reliable power shielding, the counterplay is high movement to not only screw up his approach but to potentially pick him off too, maybe even throw their own projectile in there if they have one. Of course effective powershielding plus high movement is a really potent mix. But if they don't have the mobility/size and projectile, they're probably screwed too.
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I'd also posit that he may be one of the best characters I can think of to actually use capeslap on; his projectiles are on a bit of CD, and his laser has some punch. Fun stuff to volley right back at him.
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Why make long detailed guide videos requiring lots of effort when you can just randomly make a 17 second video that gets more exposure, am I right? :^)
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school johns. I procrastinate for smash too much as it is. If I was also productive Smashwise, I'd probably fail every class I'm taking.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Ya'know, people used to say things about ROB being bad, but really they just didn't know anything about him. Now some of you think he's good, and still know nothing more about him. He's no different from the dozen other mediocre 3.02 characters who received little to no changes between versions because they didn't need them to fit properly into the balance range of 3.5.
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your signature speaks to me
Its simple really, elementary my lad, lasers are the future.
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Ya Boy GP
Smash Apprentice
Rob's definitely not top tier. I think his approaches and projectiles are way too telegraphed and easy to counter. As a characters he's just a little too linear to be a top tier.
Thane of Blue Flames
Fire is catching.
My top tier comment was a joke guyz 
R.o.B's good. I wouldn't hesitate to put him somewhere around 15. Top 20 of cast, sure. Robojiggs p. good
R.o.B's good. I wouldn't hesitate to put him somewhere around 15. Top 20 of cast, sure. Robojiggs p. good
Thank GOD because I usually agree with you.My top tier comment was a joke guyz
R.o.B's good. I wouldn't hesitate to put him somewhere around 15. Top 20 of cast, sure. Robojiggs p. good
No, you just get one stubborn fool who refuses to listen to logic. Oh btw, I just got 2nd at a tournament with IC's, but nbd. Also, no videos for you ;P.
IC's have an amazing neutral game in PM.
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Look, you got no videos, don't waste my time. You and all those other iC players can keep theory crafting for all I care. I'm tired of seeing you say iC can do x y and z. The proof that x y and z will work, is you saying that you have done them on most of top level players. But strangely enough, you have never actually recorded these games. If we take a moment and look at any of the top player threads since iC came out, your videos are you beating some bad players with iC(or DK players which you say is their only good MU not saying the DK players are bad, just adding that in). This of course, was after you beat them with a character you were more comfortable with. But yea, you can write about how solid x y and z is all day, but, just because it's good on paper, doesn't mean it's good in practice. You haven't shown x y and z in practice. Thus I take the things you say with a grain of salt.
Could you stop johning about having no videos sometime though? Maybe that could be your new years resolution? Like here go the johns you've used on me so far:
Top player got no time to play on stream
I don't wanna drag them to stream, they have other things to do.( You're at a video game tournament, get real)
Can't record
test build
Not enough time
and counting
You john a lot about why you have no videos of you playing good people. I don't wanna see those videos of you slapping weaker players or you playing against DK (You say this is the only winnable MU or w/e for them) All you've done up till this point is ether, john about why you could not produce a video, post a video of you ether beating a bad player or you beating a dk, which again, is the quote on quote "only winnable MU for iC"
You're a fraud
either you really want a money match, or hylian stole your candy when you were a child
Player -0
Smash Hero
Yo, I played some Ness on WiFi the other day, I think he does pretty well in neutral, his baiting power from the air is pretty awesome. Get smacked from it and die though. I feel like a lot of people overrate Ness' recovery, it's good but just space well, don't challenge for the first 7 frames, and laugh as Falco Dair sends Ness into the blastzone.