Tier List Speculation

[Deleted member]

I just like him because he is a "more consistent marth" to me. He relies on purely knowing fundamentals, over committing gets you ****ed up, but his reward is great and he can actually kill characters at 120 reliably unlike marth. They're both pretty *** offstage, I don't think either one is better or worse in 3.02

Also, "it feels like his moves were designed to always work." What? Isn't that like every single other character thats good in 3.02? He doesn't even get confirmed followups out of his throws, they're DI mixups at later %s.

maybe these two ideas are the same. i would rephrase it as "marth is a less consistent roy", i don't like "every other character that's good in 3.02" because i see them as problematic and that the other 75% of the cast as being well-designed.

 

[GP&B]

Nerf Roy obvs.

 

[LonkQ]

I really like playing Roy, but maybe his combos are a bit too easy. It feels like he can easily convert off of so many of his moves, even if getting those hits can be a pain at times. It's just that he still has a decent number of weaknesses that don't make him seem as dumb.

 

[Deleted member]

yeah dont get me wrong hes no mario or anything, but its pretty annoying that i have to respect all of his moves even when a mediocre player is using the character because even when his moves are poorly placed they still work. like if marth or ike or rob or wario or whatever place their moves poorly they get **** on, i dont see why mario and roy are immune to this. again, reiterating that roy is nowhere near as egregious as mario.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

Roy top tier now??? Say it ain't so
Nerf his sword so it's a wet noodle again

 

[PlateProp]

Roy top tier now??? Say it ain't so
Nerf his sword so it's a wet noodle again

Have you ever been hit by a wet pool noodle

Those things hurt like a ****ing *****

Plz give Roy a pool noodle pmbr

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

Have you ever been hit by a wet pool noodle

Those things hurt like a ****ing *****

Plz give Roy a pool noodle pmbr

you right
He would be more fair then
Also, the sweet spots of his moves should all be at his elbows. Then marth could be as good as him.

 

[Deleted member]

yeah or maybe in a game where crouching is already too good, maybe i could like crouch a tilt at 30. that would be nice.

 

[Spiffykins]

Wet noodle can also mean pasta. Which is what roy's sword should be, obviously. having less range, more lag, slower dash, shorter wavedash, and smaller grab makes some of his moves being slightly more reliably powerful than marth's completely nonsensical

"dis roy no use same spacing as marf and i still get fckd"

have you tried shielding

"but den he grab me :["

welcome to super smash bros enjoy your stay

 

[Deleted member]

i mean you can make those points without being a condescending ****. you can disagree amicably. if you want to get nasty with me i can just **** on you in the game.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

we has bad ass over here
he mad
very
such angry
many tears
much mario

 

[DMG]

 

[Deleted member]

we has bad *** over here
he mad
very
such angry
many tears
much mario

you too hot ****. thats the good part about being in a scene for a competitive game, you can shut people up by beating the **** out of them in a socially acceptable manner.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

you should vent irl

 

[Deleted member]

i have a better idea. let's money match. if you win you get $50 from me. if i win, you sell your disc and quit. i'll even let you keep the money. deal?

god forbid i even suggest that roy isn't perfect without a ****storm.

 

[DMG]

If you actually quit, you have to say it with a microphone while/after being put into a brutal submission. Otherwise it doesn't count

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

do u even go OoS

 

[trash?]

ayyyyy lmao

we even got a money match threat because someone thought you were whining, that's some peak scrub action

roy is a worse marth that can kind of combo, not much else. the only reason people even acknowledge him is b/c of sethlon and that's on sethlon's goodness more than it is on roy's strengths

 

[mimgrim]

yeah dont get me wrong hes no mario or anything, but its pretty annoying that i have to respect all of his moves even when a mediocre player is using the character because even when his moves are poorly placed they still work. like if marth or ike or rob or wario or whatever place their moves poorly they get **** on, i dont see why mario and roy are immune to this. again, reiterating that roy is nowhere near as egregious as mario.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that kinda the point of Roy? For every clear-cut strength doesn't he have a clear-cut weakness? Good onstage game but bad offstage game. Fantastic combo game but extremely susceptible to combos himself.

I've always looked at Roy as a kinda of semi-spacie in terms of function, but with a disjoint instead of a shine and lack of a projectile, in that he kinda has the same basics principals of good onstage game but bad offstage and really good combos but gets combo'd hard himself but lacking the things that makes the spacies spacies, his neutral game good but not anywhere near spacie level good and doesn't have as good defensive options as one.

It kinda makes sense that he can get such good conversion, at least to me.

 

[TreK]

Of course Roy doesn't reward extreme pixel perfect spacing, else his tipper would do more damage instead of less. He rewards going in succesfully. The more 'in' you get, the better Roy gets, simple as that.

He's not "Marth with more combos", he's another beast entirely.

I don't really know what you dislike in his design, other than "if Marth had those tools people would complain". But you can sum up my point to "I don't think that this is relevant".

Speaking of Marth, is that a thing ? Is he mid tier now ? Wat. I'm so August 2014.

 

[trash?]

we've reached the point of circular irony where people take "marth is low tier" seriously and not as a silly joke

 

[TreK]

Poe's law is too strong, I think it's going to be nerfed in 3.5

 

[DMG]

What joke? Marth is low tier

 

[PandaPanda Senketsu]

wait a sec.. I just realized something...


If Roy is a worse Marth, than that means Marth is a worse Toonlink who is a worse normal Link. Then by the laws of the commutative property if Link is a worse Ivysaur, than that means all of these characters are just a WORSE GANONDORF!!!!

 

[Frost | Odds]

i mean you can make those points without being a condescending ****. you can disagree amicably. if you want to get nasty with me i can just **** on you in the game.

but how many confirmed kills do you have?

If Roy is a worse Marth, than that means Marth is a worse Toonlink who is a worse normal Link. Then by the laws of the commutative property if Link is a worse Ivysaur, than that means all of these characters are just a WORSE GANONDORF!!!!

this guy just solved PM

 

[CyberZixx]

Check Umbreon's statistics. He got a 3.0 KDR.

 

[jtm94]

Marth is beat. Roy is alright.
Link throws boomerang, Toon Link drinks milk.
Ike is pretty solid too.

Why do the people who deserve warnings never get them?

 

[CyberZixx]

Toon Link should really drink Grandma's Soup and not milk. No more claims of low tier Tink then. Can't deny the power of Grandma's home made soup.

 

[jtm94]

Toon Link should really drink Grandma's Soup and not milk. No more claims of low tier Tink then. Can't deny the power of Grandma's home made soup.

That's canon, just like Ivy using leech seed.
But Link can also bottle fairy's to revive him.

 

[Strong Badam]

yeah dont get me wrong hes no mario or anything, but its pretty annoying that i have to respect all of his moves even when a mediocre player is using the character because even when his moves are poorly placed they still work. like if marth or ike or rob or wario or whatever place their moves poorly they get **** on, i dont see why mario and roy are immune to this. again, reiterating that roy is nowhere near as egregious as mario.

Roy's tippers are underwhelming.

 

[Deleted member]

If you watch sethlon vs many players, if he over commits he gets ****ed up pretty hard. I don't know what you're talking about umbreon lol

poorly spaced roy attacks are definitely punishable and underwhelming like sb said

 

[Deleted member]

If you watch sethlon vs many players, if he over commits he gets ****ed up pretty hard.

i mean that's just the nature of the game, any character that doesn't get punished for poor play is overtly dumb and isn't worth discussing because other legions of players will do that with or without me (diddy kong). time to go into the lab i guess.

 

[InfinityCollision]

i mean you can make those points without being a condescending ****.

Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how hilarious this is?

 

[Paradoxium]

Umbreon is one of the most condescending smashers I have ever seen, but you gotta respect that 02 join date. This Umbreon has enough experience to be level 100.

 

[DMG]

What are you, a scrub lord that respects join dates? Everyone knows you're supposed to respect people by their post counts and their total likes

 

[shairn]

What are you, a scrub lord that respects join dates? Everyone knows you're supposed to respect people by their post counts and their total likes

Hm, I wonder which one of these criteria puts you above Umbreon...

 

[Ripple]

I wish things showed a break down of total likes by person. mechwarriorNY would be half of everyone's

 

[DMG]

mechwarrior is a jolly guy. If there's a GIF heaven, he would be Jesus

edit: (ahem, all should have gone here. Dunno, crashberds plz)

Hm, I wonder which one of these criteria puts you above Umbreon...

Both, but he has more trophy points than me so I can't topple him. Trophy points are crouching tiger, hidden dragon broken

Edit: 3.5 is going to be so good. I hope everyone plays it

 

[DMG]

Edit: MY EDIT DIDN'T WORK!!!111 Remove dp

 

[Deleted member]

Umbreon is one of the most condescending smashers I have ever seen, but you gotta respect that 02 join date. This Umbreon has enough experience to be level 100.

if i was actually condescending, i would just silently dismiss everyone's posts as stupid to myself, never post, and then jeer about it with people that actually understand the game rather than trying to get dirty and debate. and having been around a while, i personally know lots of people that do this that laugh at the people that respect them. 2 cents.