thatoneguy1
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i havent read all 400+ pages so idk if this has been discussed but does anyone else think that fox is no longer top tier in p:m?
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Tier List Speculation
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GeZ
Smash Lord
he's definitely still top tier, just not the #1 spot anymore.
Jacob29
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metroid1117
Smash Master
Kind of off-topic from tier lists, but this issue came up on an EXPosure when I played against BLUX and he wanted to CP to FD on game 3 when he had banned it after winning game 1. Oro and Bobby ruled that banned stages cannot be picked by either player, regardless of who banned it. I'm inclined to agree, since it would stress the importance of game 1 in that, if the set goes to game 3, the winner of game 1 has the ability to counter-pick the opponent's character on two stages that were inaccessible during the opponent's counterpick.
Marth could do something like ban FD to ensure he gets to counterpick it later in the set. Pretty cheesey. DMG level cheese.
That's why banned stages should be banned from either player picking it, not just the opponent.
That's why banned stages should be banned from either player picking it, not just the opponent.
Actually I don't mind either system. If stage bans only apply to the opponent, then logically the opponent could ban the same stage as you, to prevent you from getting it. There are occasions where you might want a stage ONLY if you have the character pick advantage. If stage bans completely remove the stage, then you don't get to explore some of those scenarios.
I ban FD for my opponent. He doesn't want me to have character advantage on FD, so he bans it too. There's no way for me to "lock" FD by banning it and being able to play it later.
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If stage bans only ban the stage for the opponent, 95% of these systems allow the opponent to ban the same stage to stop you from using. This covers any concerns about locking or artificially "saving" stages to be used as a CP later. I've played under experimental systems like that before, and they all allowed both players the same ban.
I ban FD for my opponent. He doesn't want me to have character advantage on FD, so he bans it too. There's no way for me to "lock" FD by banning it and being able to play it later.
TL:DR
If stage bans only ban the stage for the opponent, 95% of these systems allow the opponent to ban the same stage to stop you from using. This covers any concerns about locking or artificially "saving" stages to be used as a CP later. I've played under experimental systems like that before, and they all allowed both players the same ban.
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Jacob29
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What? How would banning FD ensure he gets to CP it?
I must be getting something confused here.
shairn
Your favorite anime is bad.
So that, if he wins game 1, he can possibly CP to FD without being hindered by DSR I assume.
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Jacob29
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But that doesn't stop the other player from banning it still.
Sensei
Smash Lord
I would like the game to be as balanced as possible deep down inside I want Megman or Little Mac to be S-tier.
Kaeldiar
Smash Ace
Can we please add Zelda to this list?
I want to see this SO badly just for lulz
As a Zelda main, I appreciate the stupidly huge AGT I get off items meant to gimp me. It's almost a second up-b
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InfinityCollision
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Wrong subforum.
Even for those guys, Marth (and a few others that deal with this) can just dash grab instead. Falcon and especially Ganondorf could definitely use some grab tweaks.
Or maybe he knows more than we do... Megman (clever pun to avoid lawsuits) and Little Mac (apparently not copyrighted) confirmed for 3.5.
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thatoneguy1
Smash Journeyman
do people really care this much about bans? i usually tell my opponent to take me wherever lol
EthralSSB
Smash Rookie
Same here, most people I play against want something cool and colourful anyway might as well let them pick or they'll be playing on Battlefield or FinalDestination and occasionally some Fountain of Dreams
My opponent will never be allowed to go to the stage they want. Only 3 bans? I disagree, I'm banning 12 stages. All gone. You can't have them, don't ask me if we can go somewhere.
Always turn them down. Always strike as many stages as you can. Don't laugh if you end up on PS2 anyways
Always turn them down. Always strike as many stages as you can. Don't laugh if you end up on PS2 anyways
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thatoneguy1
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Bleck
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Wow, you sure are a cool, tough guy! Takin' advantage of me not knowing a thing off the top of my head. I bet you get all the respect and girls!
But i mean... it was kinda obvious. How did you think chaingrabs worked, did you think they were hitting the ground every time?
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Blame the patriarchy and/or Fox
steelguttey
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did someone say...
fox
fox
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
That's triggering me as I am a male Fox-kin.
Bleck
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What do you get out of pointing out to someone that the answer to their question was obvious? Does it make you feel like a big man?
shairn
Your favorite anime is bad.
Nearly all of the chaingrabs in the game work by grabbing someone out of the air. You should know that much, at least, but you shouldn't be shamed for not knowing. It's better to ask and learn than to stay ignorant.
lol Bleck, you're something else.
Foo
Smash Lord
I'm sure we could talk about how surprising it is/isn't that you can grab people out of the air for days on end, but let's stop beating this dead horse before limbs stop falling off, eh? Well, I guess we should talk about something else then...
uhhhh... Tink, he's worst right? So... how about shine, huh? And recoveries... they're just too good... Oh, and Tink... he's actually pretty good, huh? STOP LOOKING AT ME!
uhhhh... Tink, he's worst right? So... how about shine, huh? And recoveries... they're just too good... Oh, and Tink... he's actually pretty good, huh? STOP LOOKING AT ME!
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steelguttey
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guys lets change the subject to a good character
olimar
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steelguttey
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yup
his grab game is stupid
his grab game is stupid
Player -0
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Doood. If the pikmin ran sideways and then jumped up in the air to grab someone. That would be insane.
steelguttey
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victinivcreate1
Banned via Warnings
Not sure if you're referencing the Profesor Pro combo video...
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this used to be legal pre-2007 for melee, although it was not commonly used. But yeah I've banned stages to "protect" them for my own CP on game 3.
This is actually somewhat incorrect, since both players have the ability to ban the same stage. However, you should definitely clarify that beforehand just in case. As much as we try to standardize rulesets as a community, there are nuanced differences like this from time to time.
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The idea that you ban a stage to protect your own CP basically relies on your opponent assuming that a ban stage cannot be picked by either player, and thus not banning it themselves. Kind of 
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I just think it's overall cleaner and intuitive that a banned stage cannot be picked by either player.
.I just think it's overall cleaner and intuitive that a banned stage cannot be picked by either player.
thatoneguy1
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i wasnt but that was amazing