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Tier List Speculation

shairn

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They have very similar knockback is my point. It's not exactly "toned down".
 
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I am fairly certain sethlon will never unretire his marth. Sethlon is very stubborn about character choices from what I noticed, he will pick roy even if he knows the mu is super bad because he wants to win with roy and roy alone. If he CP'd marth vs me one day I'd be super duper surprised.
 
Scuba Steve

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Zx2963 said:
What's wrong with Sonic? He's pretty awesome, even know he doesn't play like any other character at all
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Have you tried to listen to a match with Sonic in it? It's ****ing unbearable. Plus, the character outside of smash is obnoxious to begin with.
 
Kati

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Sonic is so obnoxious... I have yet to lose to one, but I too wish he was never brought into smash.
 
jtm94

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I would be happy if Sonic were removed entirely, and I almost think he should until his design is less obnoxious and pivotal on one of the best movement options in the game that recovers and auto combos into any of his KO moves at any %. Can we make it so Yoshi can jump with his eggroll and not slip on bananas when he spins and allow him to cancel it into any of his aerials while we are at it?

I don't think Sonic should spin over bananas while Yoshi can't. I also don't think Sonic should act out of UpB with that strong uair. It isn't even that Sonic beats me, I just hate his design because he doesn't function like a smash character in any conceivable way. His game is so incredibly overcentralized around a singular move that it disgusts me. He has the fastest run speed in the game which you think would be good, but it falls short in almost every way to Spin Attack. He has really decent smash attacks with good KB, and amazing tilts, but no one would know this because all they do is spin attack into aerials because it's usually so free. He also has a decent grab game thanks to his speed and the follow ups he gets, but he does have the worst grab range in the game. His moves also deal strange amounts of hitstun and you can still see Wizzrobe landing bair, landing, turning around, and landing fair. I would honestly try to play Sonic just because he has so much good stuff, but I cannot stand using him because I am not playing smash at that point.

Also his fair is terrible as a meteor. It has to be one of the weakest meteors in the game. You can jump cancel it at 120% and live with characters like Roy.
 
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Kawaii Jesus

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I think sonic is hard to fight against for any character at first, mostly because of his speed. But he's fairly easy to read so if you figure out what he's going for (which is usually the same thing over and over again) it's not that bad. I personally am glad he's in smash.
 
mtmaster

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jtm94 said:
I would be happy if Sonic were removed entirely, and I almost think he should until his design is less obnoxious and pivotal on one of the best movement options in the game that recovers and auto combos into any of his KO moves at any %. Can we make it so Yoshi can jump with his eggroll and not slip on bananas when he spins and allow him to cancel it into any of his aerials while we are at it?

I don't think Sonic should spin over bananas while Yoshi can't. I also don't think Sonic should act out of UpB with that strong uair. It isn't even that Sonic beats me, I just hate his design because he doesn't function like a smash character in any conceivable way. His game is so incredibly overcentralized around a singular move that it disgusts me. He has the fastest run speed in the game which you think would be good, but it falls short in almost every way to Spin Attack. He has really decent smash attacks with good KB, and amazing tilts, but no one would know this because all they do is spin attack into aerials because it's usually so free. He also has a decent grab game thanks to his speed and the follow ups he gets, but he does have the worst grab range in the game. His moves also deal strange amounts of hitstun and you can still see Wizzrobe landing bair, landing, turning around, and landing fair. I would honestly try to play Sonic just because he has so much good stuff, but I cannot stand using him because I am not playing smash at that point.

Also his fair is terrible as a meteor. It has to be one of the weakest meteors in the game. You can jump cancel it at 120% and live with characters like Roy.
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So much hatred lol, but I suppose everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
 
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My previous post was said in jest.

Anyway, people complaining about Sonic being obnoxious are just going to have to get over it. His character and fighting style were designed to be obnoxious from the very beginning. An no, he will not be removed from the game.
 
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Zx2963

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We will just agree Sonic was a incredibly well designed character and that everyone is mad that other character don't have moves like Sonic
 
Rᴏb

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Zx2963 said:
We will just agree Sonic was a incredibly well designed character and that everyone is mad that other character don't have moves like Sonic
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everything you say is correct
sonic is the epitome of good character design and people who whine about him should check the #facts
 
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jtm94

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The PMBR never makes mistakes like putting Sonic in this game.
Rather, Sakurai never made mistakes like making a game with Sonic in it.

Anyone is entitled to hatred of things, this entire board is nothing but a never ending argument. At least I post some sort of reasoning behind my opinion instead of posting empty worthless comments.

That is really shocking how Ganon is so used. It also saddens me to see characters like Lucario, ICs, and Yoshi be so underused when I really enjoy seeing them be played. I'm excited to watch Big House 4.
 
Zx2963

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jtm94 said:
The PMBR never makes mistakes like putting Sonic in this game.
Rather, Sakurai never made mistakes like making a game with Sonic in it.

Anyone is entitled to hatred of things, this entire board is nothing but a never ending argument. At least I post some sort of reasoning behind my opinion instead of posting empty worthless comments.

That is really shocking how Ganon is so used. It also saddens me to see characters like Lucario, ICs, and Yoshi be so underused when I really enjoy seeing them be played. I'm excited to watch Big House 4.
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Lucario is not that low on the list, he's above others more then half of the cast.
 
steelguttey

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lucario may have tournament representation but none of the lucario players do him justice except maybe vanguard and amsa tbh
 
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Dakpos falco is good but it is specifically only for denti (Because of ivysaur). Dakpo and I have had some practice sessions and he played falco vs my toonlink. I'm pretty sure dakpo will never play falco vs me in tourney, his gnw does a lot better.
 
didds

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People don't use Yoshi because he's wonky as hell, so much specific tech and exploitable weaknesses to keep in mind.
Same goes for the ICs and Lucario, all specialty characters in my opinion (moreso than the most of the cast at least)

Speaking of Big House 4, I'm tryna display some of my Yoshi at it so get ready for some upsetsssssss people
 
jtm94

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I've never actually seen Hylian's Lucario in tourney. He definitely has vids up of it, but I'm lazy. Lucario is super fun to watch, and as far as Yoshi goes he had to abuse crazy tech to be par with the cast, but now he can be played more like a traditional character and the tech is just a nice bonus. I guess they like ICs do require come off as a specialty type of character for some reason. Olimar is kind of there too, but I think Olimar is good out of the box.
 
Hylian

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jtm94 said:
I've never actually seen Hylian's Lucario in tourney. He definitely has vids up of it, but I'm lazy. Lucario is super fun to watch, and as far as Yoshi goes he had to abuse crazy tech to be par with the cast, but now he can be played more like a traditional character and the tech is just a nice bonus. I guess they like ICs do require come off as a specialty type of character for some reason. Olimar is kind of there too, but I think Olimar is good out of the box.
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I use Lucario at every tournament I attend >_>. I just don't go to that many tournaments lol. Here is a video of a tournament match just for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOcgA8aM1TE&t=4m25s
 
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