Tier List Speculation

[KuroganeHammer]

shielda is aways worse than both sheik or zelda because switching off of the better skill set at any point makes you strictly worse in any given MU. the only time shielda can ever be better than either of them is when you started on the wrong character.

I'm using the definition that the BBR gave Sheilda

And it's right tbh.

 

[Strong Badam]

wtf is ness doing up there

GET DOWN TO D TIER THIS INSTANT, YOUNG MAN

*crosses arms*

shielda is aways worse than both sheik or zelda because switching off of the better skill set at any point makes you strictly worse in any given MU. the only time shielda can ever be better than either of them is when you started on the wrong character.

that's generally the point. your opponent stage & character CPs you and you just go "ok im staying" and then at the start of the next match you just switch anyway and laugh because no one else has this ability.

btw joe:

 

[B.W.]

@Captain Faceroll does that **** sometimes. I've never been the victim but I'm never falling for it cause I've seen it so many times.

Still though, you're a ******* Faceroll.

 

[ELI-mination]

dk 34th aww yeahh im godlike

I believe there is a serious misspelling here.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Ivysaur
Standing - Total: 44, Grab: 14-17
Pivot - Total: 35, Grab: 14-15
Dash - Total: 33, Grab: 14-15

Link
Standing - Total: 62, Grab: 11-13, 14-19
Pivot - Total: 58, Grab: 13-14, 15-20
Dash - Total: 61, Grab: 12-13, 14-19

Lucas
Standing - Total: 56, Grab: 11-14, 15-16
Pivot - Total: 48, Grab: 14-18
Dash - Total: 79, Grab: 15-17, 18-27

Samus
Standing - Total: 72, Grab: 14-15, 16-24
Pivot - Total: 69, Grab: 19-21, 22-31
Dash - Total: 65, 17-19, 20-30

Toon Link
Standing - Total: 62, Grab: 11-13, 14-19
Pivot - Total: 58, Grab: 13-14, 15-20
Dash - Total: 60, 12-13, 14-19

Yoshi
Standing - Total: 50, Grab: 11-12, 13-21
Pivot - Total: 35, Grab: 11-12, 13-21
Dash - Total: 49, Grab: 11-12, 13-22
Neutral-B - Total: 39, Grab: 17-18, 19-21

Zero Suit Samus
Standing - Total: 67, Grab: 16-20, 21-29
Pivot - Total: 73, Grab: 11-14, 15-23
Dash - Total: 79, Grab: 16-20, 21-35

 

[Oro?!]

There can only be one Gahlike...

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Olimar Where

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Dunno sry

 

[didds]

Only 52 frames of endlag? Sounds pretty broken and unpunishable to me.

Lots of punish time. It's like every other tether, if you use it stupidly you get punished, if you use it intelligently then I get frustrated and bring up frame data.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Dunno sry

its ok because I know


:>

 

[Chesstiger2612]

its ok because I know


:>

Plz tell me I collect all kind of PM information to help in threads etc. one could say I am information addicted ^^

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Plz tell me I collect all kind of PM information to help in threads etc. one could say I am information addicted ^^

smashboards.com/threads/olimar-frame-data-3-02.350930/

in there somewhere

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Plz tell me I collect all kind of PM information to help in threads etc. one could say I am information addicted ^^

 

[The_NZA]

Plz tell me I collect all kind of PM information to help in threads etc. one could say I am information addicted ^^

Did you take into account Frame Speed Modifiers or whatever the crap. I don't even know what that stuff is but apparently it makes the hitbox threads unreliable....

 

[MonkUnit]

Pretty sure those numbers were gotten from me from Hylian's post a while back. I tested them in game with frame advance so they should all be correct.

 

[ELI-mination]

Frame advance testing!?
What's wrong with you
Just lose to Link and make up frame amounts in response
Must be a scrub that didn't play melee a decade ago

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

dk 34th aww yeahh im godlike

Oh please SB, Ganon 41st. Get on my level.

 

[SixSaw]

Is there a reason for some moves having frame speed modifiers not listed in the script of the move itself? Why not simplify things and minimize confusion by keeping it all in one place?

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

After messing around with Ganondorf a lot yesterday, I gotta say: That disjoint on his Fair is insane.

 

[Ripple]

it should be more disjointed. make his arm invincible. Suddenly viable

 

[Strong Badam]

Is there a reason for some moves having frame speed modifiers not listed in the script of the move itself? Why not simplify things and minimize confusion by keeping it all in one place?

Some FSMs need to be in the GCT otherwise they don't work. G&W comes to mine, I think.

 

[CyberZixx]

Ganon's fair is the best thing about him. When I play Ganon 95% of my moves are fair and grab.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Ganon's fair is the best thing about him. When I play Ganon 95% of my moves are fair and grab.

F-tilt would like a word with you

 

[Giygacoal]

Foot Dive is Ganon's best move.

 

[Empyrean]

Wtf is wrong with you people.

If you ain't stomping, you ain't Ganon.

 

[Saproling]

But dacus.

 

[Terotrous]

Foot Dive is Ganon's best move.

Now I see how to fix Ganon. It's so obvious! Every time Foot dive hits, you bounce high in the air and don't recover until you hit the ground, giving Ganon time to do absolutely anything he wants.

Also Ganon can now launch missiles instead of his old crappy neutral B.

 

[Empyrean]

But dacus.

Dacus is for losers who can't waveland or platform-cancel.

 

[Giygacoal]

Now I see how to fix Ganon. It's so obvious! Every time Foot dive hits, you bounce high in the air and don't recover until you hit the ground, giving Ganon time to do absolutely anything he wants.

Also Ganon can now launch missiles instead of his old crappy neutral B.

Doctor Dorf for Project M 20XX

 

[Saproling]

Dacus is for losers who can't waveland or platform-cancel.

Dacus is another tool you can use.

 

[1FD]

It can't be too hard to grab with Lucas given he so fast and can combo into it FROM BASICALLY ANYTHING ON ANYONE AT ANY TIME ANYWAY
like downb or an aerial or whatever hits and it's like oh k I grab now

@ Hylian around here we call that Lucario thing SLAPPING
I died to first time I played a lucario here but they mixed upb in it too since you can WL out of it and it carried me across the stage LUCARIO ISN'T SUPPOSED TO COMBO THAT FAR SIDEWAYS WHY IS THIS GAME DUMB
fair downb dsmash upb fsmash
it is a cool thing but dsmash is definitely the easiest

I'm serious about the wind effects on Ganon moves with purple fire IT WOULD BE AWESOME
@ Saproling Ganon dacus misses weird things sometimes unless you combo into it because the hitboxes are weird AND LACKS PURPLE FIRE AND WIND EFFECTS
Also FALCON KICK IS AMAZING IN THIS GAME

 

[Saproling]

I saw scuba Steve putting it to good use but I can believe it.

 

[1FD]

Dacus in neutral or was he doing it in combos because combos makes sense and yeah it's good
Neutral it works but it misses weirdly for no reason sometimes HITBOXES DON EXIST

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

I just wanted to mention that literally every single consistent top 4 placer at Xanadu is considered top tier in this thread.

Lucas, Wolf, Diddy, Mario.

Kinda funny.

 

[woundedust]

The best move ganon has is when you move your cursor away from him on the character selection screen

 

[Bryonato]

Dacus is for losers who can't waveland or platform-cancel.

uh wut

 

[Hylian]

@ Hylian around here we call that Lucario thing SLAPPING
I died to first time I played a lucario here but they mixed upb in it too since you can WL out of it and it carried me across the stage LUCARIO ISN'T SUPPOSED TO COMBO THAT FAR SIDEWAYS WHY IS THIS GAME DUMB
fair downb dsmash upb fsmash
it is a cool thing but dsmash is definitely the easiest

I figured most people would miss the important/most interesting part of the combo and focus on the down-b cancels lol. Looks like I was right :/.

 

[Scuba Steve]

I saw scuba Steve putting it to good use but I can believe it.

Dude, I like never DACUS.

I just wanted to mention that literally every single consistent top 4 placer at Xanadu is considered top tier in this thread.

Lucas, Wolf, Diddy, Mario.

Kinda funny.

I feel like with all the exposure that S@X gets through VGBC, some people make huge generalizations about PM based almost solely on what they see at Xanadu.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

The best move ganon has is when you move your cursor away from him on the character selection screen

Like Zelda's best move, her down-b?

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Doctor Dorf for Project M 20XX

Someone make a photoshop of Doc and this.

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