Tier List Speculation

[BJN39]

^ But with that approach, Zelda would be in A tier.


And I know nobody wants that.

 

[Oracle]

If you used that definition every character in the game would be in the top two tiers, save a couple

 

[Mr.Random]

If you used that definition every character in the game would be in the top two tiers, save a couple

Well is the goal make everyone viable or make everyone S tier?

 

[Tlock]

The A tier consists of semi-viable characters who can place high in very competent hands, but have significant disadvantages that keep them from consistently placing high in significant tournaments.

I believe every character in 2.6b already fits into this definition. You could even replace "significant disadvantages" with minor or moderate disadvantages and all of the 2.6b cast would still be in A tier or above.

Well is the goal make everyone viable or make everyone S tier?

The original goal of the project was to make everyone viable in a tournament setting, or around Marth - C.Falc - Peach level if comparing to melee. I am pretty sure that goal remains the same to this day.

2.6b isn't there yet, but 3.0 will get closer to this goal and the next balancing patch, whenever that may come out, will probably obtain that goal.

 

[KayB]

2.6b isn't there yet, but 3.0 will get closer to this goal and the next balancing patch, whenever that may come out, will probably obtain that goal.

Balancing is a difficult job. We can't say for certain that 3.0 will automatically be better, much less achieve perfect balancing, just because it's the next update. The addition of new characters will also make the job harder too. Nothing is solid yet.

 

[F. Blue]

I'm surprised not to see Bowser and Ivysaur at the top of any of these lists. Those are the characters everyone complains about in tournaments, stream chats, Facebook ect.

 

[Ogopogo]

I'm surprised not to see Bowser and Ivysaur at the top of any of these lists. Those are the characters everyone complains about in tournaments, stream chats, Facebook ect.

That's because they aren't as broken as people say. They just haven't had much time to develop a metagame, so people don't know how to counter them.

At least, that's what I think.

 

[F. Blue]

I understand Bowser has his limits, but Ivysaur was broken since 2.5, then he got buffed.

 

[ELI-mination]

Well damn, if people complain I guess you have a point bro

 

[GunBlaze]

I understand Bowser has his limits, but Ivysaur was bad in 2.5, then she got buffed.

Fixed

 

[MagnesD3]

Well damn, if people complain I guess you have a point bro

To be fair people will complain no matter what. (See sentinel vanil mvc3).

 

[Mr.Random]

I believe every character in 2.6b already fits into this definition. You could even replace "significant disadvantages" with minor or moderate disadvantages and all of the 2.6b cast would still be in A tier or above.



The original goal of the project was to make everyone viable in a tournament setting, or around Marth - C.Falc - Peach level if comparing to melee. I am pretty sure that goal remains the same to this day.

2.6b isn't there yet, but 3.0 will get closer to this goal and the next balancing patch, whenever that may come out, will probably obtain that goal.

Thanks for clarifying

 

[deadjames]

Fixed

Ivysaur's gender is neutral because there is no distinction between male and female for that particular species of Pokemon. I don't know why everyone keeps insisting that it has to be female, the only Pokemon in Smash that we can actually definitively know the gender of is Pikachu, he's a male because female Pikachus have a little dimple in their tails. Sorry, but that's just been bugging me and I finally had to say something.

 

[DMG]

Gender excluded, Ivy's still a hoe. She digs into the dirt and slays little Pikmin

 

[deadjames]

Gender excluded, Ivy's still a hoe. She digs into the dirt and slays little Pikmin

I see what you did there, but we all know those Pikmin deserve to die.

 

[Spiffykins]

Ivysaur's gender is neutral because there is no distinction between male and female for that particular species of Pokemon. I don't know why everyone keeps insisting that it has to be female, the only Pokemon in Smash that we can actually definitively know the gender of is Pikachu, he's a male because female Pikachus have a little dimple in their tails. Sorry, but that's just been bugging me and I finally had to say something.

PMBR says their version of Ivy is female, therefore she is female. Lucario is a predominantly male species, therefore the likely assumption is that Lucario is male. The same goes for Jiggs being female. Mewtwo is genderless but generally has a male voice, so "he" is fairly appropriate in that instance.

Zard and Squirtle errr ummm...whatever man why does this bother you anyway

 

[Zwarm]

Ivysaur's gender is neutral because there is no distinction between male and female for that particular species of Pokemon. I don't know why everyone keeps insisting that it has to be female, the only Pokemon in Smash that we can actually definitively know the gender of is Pikachu, he's a male because female Pikachus have a little dimple in their tails. Sorry, but that's just been bugging me and I finally had to say something.

Ivy's VA in the Japanese version of the game makes Ivy sound clearly female, therefore female has stuck.

 

[DMG]

Ivy sounds like a grunting walrus

 

[deadjames]

PMBR says their version of Ivy is female, therefore she is female. Lucario is a predominantly male species, therefore the likely assumption is that Lucario is male. The same goes for Jiggs being female. Mewtwo is genderless but generally has a male voice, so "he" is fairly appropriate in that instance.

Zard and Squirtle errr ummm...whatever man why does this bother you anyway

Calling Ivy female doesn't bother me, either "him," or "her" works just fine since there's no way of knowing for sure since the English language doesn't have a gender neutral term, I just finally got tired of seeing posts insisting that Ivy must be referred to as female.

 

[Ogopogo]

Ivy sounds like a grunting walrus

implying that women cant sound like grunting walruses

 

[GunBlaze]

implying that women cant sound like grunting walruses

American Ivysaur is voiced by a MAN.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

That's why you've gotta get on that Fushigisou voice-acting.

 

[GunBlaze]

That's why you've gotta get on that Fushigisou voice-acting.

I do, as a tribute to her...

 

[Ogopogo]

American Ivysaur is voiced by a MAN.

...yes, and?

Kappa

 

[ELI-mination]

To be fair I was being sarcastic

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Ivysaur was pretty awful in 2.5.

 

[Zwarm]

I do, as a tribute to her...

Same. RIP

 

[Ace55]

To be fair I was being sarcastic

Damn, so all this time you were being sarcastic? You really should've let us in on the joke sooner man, you influenced a lot of people.

Ok PMBR hold the massive nerfs to spacies, Eli was just being sarcastic.

 

[ELI-mination]

You're not too bright are you

 

[\Apples]

Man, this game sure is fun to ***** about. :D

 

[Ace55]

You're not too bright are you

That's sarcastic right?

 

[NeonApophis]

Repost of tier list for Oracle.

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[\Apples]

That list is clownin' dawg.

 

[Deleted member]

The original goal of the project was to make everyone viable in a tournament setting, or around Marth - C.Falc - Peach level if comparing to melee. I am pretty sure that goal remains the same to this day.

if this is true then i can think of quite a few characters that still need some work.

 

[Deleted member]

Like Marth. That guy sucks.

 

[mYzeALot]

Soon enough we will be having our own Turbo mode tier lists. When that day comes the arguments will be insanely biased, but awesome nevertheless.

 

[Deleted member]

Like Marth. That guy sucks.

marth is exactly perfect and should not be changed at all.

 

[SillyGoose]

Tentative tier list for Oracle, just from watching vids and messing around at Chicago locals:

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[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

Lol at that low falcon placement, but you might be onto something there. Also holy **** that Zelda. Personally, I'd combine the A- and B tiers, as there's not much of a difference between Diddy and Ganon. Also, I'd move Sonic, Ike, and Rob a tier hgher.

 

[trash?]

I honestly don't feel comfortable in giving out anything proper that's not just a top 5 and nothing else buuut
(opinions are mostly thought processes and nothing solid SORRY)

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